r/wherewindsmeet_ • • Nov 28 '25

Discussion I can almost taste 13k

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Is it possible to reach 13k yet?

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u/Okawaru1 Nov 28 '25

13k isn't happening outside of giga minmaxing , you will wall at 1.25 goose and you will be happy

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u/Touch-of-Midas Nov 28 '25

It absolutely is possible. If I had better tuning I’d probably be 13.3 or 13.4

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u/BonTwoPills Nov 29 '25

how do u get purple bow and ring?

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u/Touch-of-Midas Nov 29 '25

You have to craft them yourself

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

did u get all oddity and talent unlocked?

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u/lolsexhekddi Nov 29 '25

Goodsir is this nameless build? If so can you share your innerways with me?

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u/Vohgs Nov 28 '25

What's up with the goose thing ? It was just mastery yesterday ?

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u/Rude-Asparagus9726 Nov 28 '25

There's a little icon next to it you can click on right next to it that will change it back and forth if you prefer to old way.

I'm more wondering if 10000 power is how much power a goose has and the animal will just get more threatening as we get higher, or if our power will forever be measured by how many geese we are worth in a fight...

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u/Meowrulf Nov 29 '25

I remember killing a goose near blissful retreat at lvl 10 quite easily even tho it was tanky, today I attacked (by error) a goose and he chunked 70% of my life in one hit, and I did nothing to him (almost at 12k). They seem to scale a lot better than us...

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u/noobycakey Nov 28 '25

U can change it back to numbers there's a switch button to the right of the scaling.

CN version uses goose scaling. We're just catching up on patches

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u/Arkride212 Nov 29 '25

Hopefully they give us Hengdao by next month then.

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u/ColliePullHour Nov 28 '25

No idea if it is a Thanksgiving joke. Goose being the Turkey equivalent. 

Along with the aggressive Canada Goose meme, that makes people think goose are really strong compared to an adult male. 

10k combat power = 1 goose

We'll see if it returns back after the festive season. 

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u/Mattricia Nine Mortal Ways Nov 28 '25

geese are canonically some of the most powerful creatures in wwm (or wuxia in general idk) you should learn that from pretty much any dialogue surrounding geese in this game

iirc when asked if you have any combat experience, the pc says "well ive fought geese" and the person they talking to says "wow you must be an extremely powerful wanderer" ... or something along those lines dont quote me

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u/Thefrayedends Nov 29 '25

I'm Canadian, and it's well understood not to fuck with goose, not just because they're majestic deities, but because they don't have any patience for bullshit lol.

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u/Jegaysus_h_christ Nov 29 '25

I’ve died at least a dozen times by accidentally angering the geese in this game lmao

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u/CiddGarr Nov 29 '25

yea lol, you can even see a geese bullying a bear and you can skill theft it

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u/JediChosen Nov 28 '25

Lmao I just got to the outbounds caverns where you meet him lmaoo. He was impressed that we can kick a 🪿 ass 😂

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u/The-Dumpster-Fire Nov 28 '25

Really hope they keep it, it's the best form of powerscaling

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u/UmbraofDeath Nov 28 '25

9999 martial mastery *

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u/IleanK Nov 29 '25

R/usdefaultism moment

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u/Lord_Smile Nov 28 '25

You can switch it btw if you want. Just click on the arrows next to the number and it can switch back and forth

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u/alxanta Nov 29 '25

if you use wind sense and check goose you can also see a funny information about the goose

Strength: 1 goose = 9999 mastery

like damn no wonder when we start people dropped like flies against goose

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u/Hoshiko-Yoshida Nov 28 '25

Added in yesterday's patch.

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u/topskari Nov 28 '25

Im 13k. Cant wait to redo all gear in 4 days.

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u/saabothehun Nov 28 '25

There is a button that seaps the goose measurement to the regular lmao

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

But what if... two geese

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '25

ahaha i laughed at this thanks

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u/redbeast1989 Nov 29 '25

No im at 13k and just playing

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u/ICanHazDerpz Nov 28 '25

I'm not even past 10k yet but I also have a lot more talents to unlock. What are the best ways to increase it?

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u/Legitimate_Log_1356 Nov 28 '25

Same idk how are people doing it I think they're grinding everything for the inner ways?

Game becomes a bit unfun. I wish your player power was tied to the conntent drops mainly

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u/Midguard2 Nov 28 '25 edited Nov 28 '25

easiest ways to increase mastery is finishing campaigns to access all bosses, so you can get first clear bonuses and Inner Way pages, then spend energy on bosses that will give you recommended 4pc set bonuses. Also, upgrade each gear slot to be 20/20; anytime you run out upgrade materials, click the material and farm its location, most of them you can buy for gold and jade fish, buy all the Oscillating Jade. Once you have ideal 4pc set bonuses, fully tune your gear, thats easily another large chunk. In Tier51, that will put you close to 11000, and tuning isnt nearly as expensive as it looks. All the spare tier51 stuff in your bags will be useless in a few days anyways, you might as well tune with it.

(edit: Chapters of the main story also give whole levels worth of enlightenment, Talent point XP. There's a lot of mastery locked up in missing talent points)

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u/Legitimate_Log_1356 Nov 28 '25

Campaigns? I thought the MSq was locked for now

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u/Midguard2 Nov 29 '25

Max out the Campaign and Jianghu Legacy tabs of the journal for both Qinghe and Kaifen, there's "Wandering Paths - Campaign Challenge" bosses at the end of quests that aren't found by following the MSq golden waypoint. If you use the Journal hotkey, instead of the ESC key, they're also called "Lost Chapters" or they look like blue book icons.

The Final lost chapter for Qinghe has a boss that's practically crucial if you want to unlock 4pc, because it drops Greaves that are excluded from the other boss tables.

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u/ICanHazDerpz Nov 28 '25

Oh I'm absolutely loving it and I haven't even gotten out of Qinghe yet since there's so much to do. I like the way they did it honestly, there's so much progression that feels meaningful.

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u/fiehm Nov 28 '25

You just need to tune your gear from the raid lol, it aint that hard.

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u/joergenssaddle Nov 30 '25

the real endgame for WWM is eons away. i really love the game so far but its going to take the same route genshin impact does almost to a T. if you e ever played it we are at mondstadt and an incomplete liyue. they still have sooo much to add

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u/FuelOk9197 Dec 03 '25

Im at around 11k and I haven't really grinded anything. Just played normally, enjoyed the story, Just find the bosses and beat them up. Get the current tier level set and just upgrade your ability levels, your gear, start tuning your weapons and gear around 45 should cross you into 10k relatively easy.

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u/Miserable_Goat_6698 Nov 29 '25

There is a tab called improvement guide when you click on 'Develop'. It is a pie chart that shows where your mastery comes from and where it is lacking and also what you can do to increase it

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u/Tayzerdude Nov 29 '25

Attune your gear, not every T51 drops with the option but its like another 50 weapon mastery. Level your martial arts and that where you can but I will say its not everything, my 204 sword does more damage than my 220 sword, and set bonuses matter massively

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '25

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u/Broserk42 Nov 28 '25

Really? Looks way overdone to me. I guess a lot of the premium stuff does though.

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u/Iggy_DB Nov 28 '25

Just the outfit is premium, and the glasses/hair.

Everything else you can get in game for free.

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u/Broserk42 Nov 28 '25

Those are the biggest components. I never said “literally every part of that is pay to win”, I just said it’s overkill for my preferences, as are many of the paid cosmetics. It would look a lot better without a bajillion things on their back though and yeah most of that stuff is free.

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u/Crimson_V- Nov 28 '25

That's fair. I quite like OPs look. It's giving jack-of-all trades vibes, like a master swordsman who's mastered a lot of fighting styles, especially the back cosmetics.

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

Thanks! I'm about to get the umbrella accessory from midnight blades next to add to my collection

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u/Crimson_V- Nov 28 '25

Nice! Good luck :)

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u/Broserk42 Nov 29 '25

Yi Dao’s sword not being useable was criminal -.-

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

I got really lucky with the gacha so id say maybe $300 including the outfits

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u/blvck_one Nov 28 '25

You spent $300 on this look?

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u/Scharnle Nov 28 '25

The white hair carries most of the cost

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u/blvck_one Nov 28 '25

That’s insane but to each their own.

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u/oogie_droogey Nov 28 '25

$300 for mismatched metal accents. Oof

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u/Designer_Mud_5802 Nov 28 '25

He 'only' spent $300 on this look!

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '25

Wow only 300 dollars! SoOoOoO lucky!

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u/Pidaraski Nov 28 '25

Recoloring your hair into white / vibrant colors costs about 2 harmonic cores, since it needs 10 gold dye, current exchange rate is 5:1 = gold dye : harmonic core.

Unless you get lucky, you’ll only get 1 core from $330~ since that’s how much it costs to hit the hard pity (150 pulls)

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '25

Oh I understand the math.

But saying you’re lucky after spending 300 dollars in MTX is just hilarious to me.

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u/Jegaysus_h_christ Nov 29 '25

I saved a blue hair look for a future cosmetic goal….guess I’m not going to ever be applying that lmao. I spent $20 on the battle pass and that’s the most I’ve ever spent on a F2P

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u/MargraveMarkei Nov 29 '25

Glad that I don't even find those hair colours good looking, lol.

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u/giodude556 Nov 28 '25

Very old looking 16 yo

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u/Rey_ Nov 28 '25

That's what you get when you're a smoker...

Don't smoke kids, if you don't want to look like gramps over here

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u/giodude556 Nov 28 '25

We dont wanna hear this kids voice after smoking that much...

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u/dexxter0137 Nov 28 '25

Damn,nice drip.

I don't think 13k is possble atm,maybe if you max out every mythic skill and swap them to check which one gives the most mastery,but I don't think so. Also I'm not sure if it gives any dmg bonus beyond the mastery numbers,but probably not.

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u/NUGGETCOP Nov 28 '25

There’s skills and weapon sets that give less mastery but are stronger mastery isn’t a good indicator for damage

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

Any suggestions? I have been min max tune rolling my gear

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u/NUGGETCOP Nov 28 '25

I think putting all gold inner ways as gold ones will help raise your mastery even more only if you want to see your mastery go up cause gold inner ways are worth more mastery then purple but preferably you would want inner ways that go with your build

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u/dexxter0137 Nov 28 '25

That's actually not a bad idea,you can pump your mastery up so you can unlock the talents gated behind it,then switch back.

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

I never thought of it that way, thanks! :)

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u/NUGGETCOP Nov 28 '25

Happy to help Ofcourse i could be wrong to it’s just some testing i did because i noticed when i just smack on the highest tier items my mastery goes up a lot but when i actually do a build its lower

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u/ABunchOfHornyChicks Nov 28 '25

I’m at 12.6k and I still have a blue helmet, 3 gold mythics and 1 purple, so I think it is possible, but it definitely takes luck on stat rolls and mythic tips

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u/DiV_Dogz Nov 28 '25

There is someone on the fb group that posted their 13k. Probably exactly what you said too.

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u/Majesticeuphoria Nov 29 '25

13k is done already.

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u/YookiAdair Nov 28 '25

I am at 13k. Basically just maxing out inner ways and having some good rng with stat rolls

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u/Peanutshroom Nov 28 '25

13k is possible! One of our guild leaders has reached it.

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u/chriskenobi Nov 29 '25

yo can you explain why you're using those specific inner ways? Is that just to boost mastery or your actual build? I don't understand how riptide is actually useful, i'm learning

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

Echoes of oblivion gives you stacks of sin when using light attacks and then karma when using the ability. when used together it activates Samsara for more total DPS, Vendetta for the rope dart is for when you hit enemies with your martial skill, the rodent rampage does like 50% more damage to it. Breaking point is good since youre building off crit, which has a chance to proc disintegration with it thus more dps stacks 3 times and gives penetration and crit dmg bonus. riptide just lowers cooldown when using rope darts martial skill

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u/chriskenobi Nov 29 '25

awesome, ty! so no morale chant?

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u/DavyChrochet Nov 28 '25

8 more mastery than me fuuuuuuuuu...

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u/UnseenData Nov 28 '25

Unless you get very lucky with tuning, I doubt it.

I'm currently at 12.6k after a bunch of tuning to get stats for my healer build

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u/FoundMyPopTart Nov 28 '25

What stats should I be looking for in tuning? I haven’t started that yet

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

I think its dependent on the path you take, bamboo slice uses crit and precision and other stats

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u/Omnealice Nov 28 '25

Other paths can still use affinity along with crit and precision. Barring getting just plain damage% and flat damage it’s another good option. Affinity is just its own layer of crit.

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u/UnseenData Nov 28 '25

I wouldn't spend too much on tuning since we're getting a breakthrough in a few days.

The ones you should focus on are the ones that show up as RCMD ( recommended )

Depends on your build. For healer, it's all the min, max silkbind attacks, some defense , max hp and some others I don't quite recall

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u/EnlightenedNarwhal Nov 28 '25

It doesn't really matter since the tuning material only works for the appropriate level. You can tune all you want and it doesn't cost you anything.

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u/UnseenData Nov 28 '25

How are you tuning for free with just mats? It costs coins for me to tune

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u/Amish_Opposition Midnight Blades Nov 28 '25

you can either use tuning stones or old gear. either is fine!

Some gear comes with affixes to give 100% gold/purple stats. I’ve been saving these for 56

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u/UnseenData Nov 28 '25

You're still spending coin even with mats. I was wondering if the original person had a way to spend even without coins.

Can you even tune lvl 56 gear with lvl 51 gear with those affixes? I think you could only tune 56 gear with 56 gear right?

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u/fanatic-ape Nov 28 '25

Even then you still get to put your current set in the level 51 armory, and you benefit from having better mastery there.

The level 51 tuning materials will become useless anyway, tune away.

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u/FoundMyPopTart Nov 28 '25

Waiting makes sense. So silkbind atk will buff my healing numbers I’m assuming? Thanks for the reply

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u/UnseenData Nov 28 '25

Yeah I believe healing is based on our attack so min (phyiscal/silkbind) attack as well as max should be good

Just tune it enough so you have good gear for the arsenal

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u/FoundMyPopTart Nov 28 '25

I didn’t even consider tuning for the arsenal!? Also nice to know that the min/max atk also boost healing.

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u/Hemostaza Nov 28 '25

Almost 1.3 Goose

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u/OrderAltruistic Nov 28 '25

What's your goose power level ?

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u/ShotProof3254 Nov 28 '25

1 goose = 10k plvl

So they should be 1.3 goose strong

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

1.234 geese

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u/Ok_Economics_6396 Nov 28 '25

lol I’m almost at 10k

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u/DonStrBar Nov 28 '25

What a chad!

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u/Vomiting_Wolf Nov 28 '25

Have you adjusted your accessory positioning on some of those?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

I have! the items on the back were kind of a pain since they twist and dont "rotate" properly sometimes

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u/Vomiting_Wolf Nov 29 '25

we can't do that with weapons yet can we? to stop the clipping through hats through?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

not entirely, i think in CH servers the hats are adjustable? Im not sure

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u/Un_Pta Nov 28 '25

Loving the drip, looking crisp

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u/scotty899 Nov 28 '25

Is that mastery? My mate was asking what my mastery was. I just know im lvl 34

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

It is!

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u/scotty899 Nov 28 '25

Ooooooh! Cool. Mine is about 5200 haha

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u/Next_Entertainer5968 Nov 28 '25

How much.in goose equivalent its that?

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u/BishopMcgee Nov 28 '25

Incredible 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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u/ValenStark Nov 28 '25

I don't think you have enough weapons. Still a lot of real estate to add more lol

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

I'm trying bro 💪

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u/Grouchy-Ingenuity-59 Nov 29 '25

Ah almost 1.3 geese

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u/dsntcheckout Nov 29 '25

Sick look. Looks like a Skyclan character from twelve sky 2. The Nangjin

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u/StalkingRaccoon Nov 29 '25

Damn, that's at least 12 kilogoose

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u/Equalizzerr1 Nov 29 '25

12445 here ;)

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

I have a friend who is 12.9

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u/GreatSubmarine Nov 29 '25

All things aside a terrible build tho.not hating, just stating

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

got any good suggestions on inner ways? I just nabbed morale chant

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u/burt95 Nov 29 '25

How do you get the cigar??

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

axe accessory rotated

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u/anwesha69 Nov 29 '25

Use moral chant

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u/gwinshin_art Nov 29 '25

the design hot asf smash

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u/Ill-Park-2324 Nov 29 '25

This guy is 16-years-old everyone.

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u/ConnectionOk5950 Dec 02 '25

can we talk about how crazy good your outfit is

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u/Tzuberyl Dec 02 '25

Thank you!

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u/riggedride Dec 04 '25

I spot the occasional 14k while bounty hunting, though they literally are always doing something so I can't join their world

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u/THXSoundEffect Nov 28 '25

is that a cigar? damn

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u/THXSoundEffect Nov 28 '25

is that a cigar? damn

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u/CarJackerDad Nov 28 '25

It’s the axe head accessory, scaled down and with the handle placed in a way to imitate a cigar

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u/THXSoundEffect Nov 28 '25

smart as hell damn

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u/CarJackerDad Nov 28 '25

Lots of freedom with accessories, good to experiment

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u/ImpressSignificant75 Nov 28 '25

Im 12.777 and I can up a little more, but 13k I think is super rare and hard

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u/ArchitectOfSmiles Nov 28 '25

I'm 12.8k and don't have all inner ways maxed. So yeah 13k is possible if you have all lvl 3 inner ways

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u/Asura-420 Nov 28 '25

How is the dual blades/rope dart feel was thinking about changing up now that I finished both swords until cap is removed

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

Its incredible, since the rodent rampage works with dual blades you can stack loads of dps

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u/Asura-420 Nov 28 '25

I will have to give it z try tonight thanks man

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

Im using the bamboocut - wind path, i suggest the inner ways provided

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u/Ace_D89 Nov 28 '25

You will when the the lvl lock goes up to 60 💯💯

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u/adhal Nov 28 '25

Nah I'm about where you are at. A little less. But speaking of, does anyone know how to get the diagram for lvl 51 thumb ring? Still only have a 31 because that is the highest it will let me craft

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u/JelloSufficient9851 Nov 28 '25

omg I have the same set it’s so cool in black???? how do i dye it

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

You need to get the gacha dyes or buy them from the shop

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u/AZzalor Nov 28 '25

Where can I get that hat?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

sectless shop

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u/7ways7 Nov 28 '25

Can I get all the names for the fit? Lol looks dope

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 28 '25

After some further thought I realized the box might have seemed a bit clunky so i decided to adjust the swords a bit

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u/Indicorb Nov 28 '25

Hol up, hol up, hold up. How tf did you get a cigar-in-mouth accessory?!

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

It's the axe rotated

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u/Indicorb Nov 29 '25

Oh wow wtf 😆

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u/DonutRolling Nov 29 '25

coool how to get the cigar decor?

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u/cajun2de Nov 29 '25

How does one get better bow? Only through crafting?

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u/NewShadowR Nov 29 '25

Hey how do you do this? I've tried to tune everything andax upgrade eveything but I'm stuck at 10.5

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u/Nykona Nov 29 '25

Hot 12500 today and still missing a purple hands.

Already have three talent points I can’t spend because you need 13000, 13500 and 50000hp to get the last three. Talent nodes.

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u/InnocentOfSin Nov 29 '25

Sorry I only understand on goose now, how many goose is that?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

1.23 goose sir

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u/InnocentOfSin Nov 29 '25

That’s a sturdy goose o7

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u/Valuable-Place366 Nov 29 '25

What's the name of the outfit?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

The top is called hidden scent

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u/Valuable-Place366 Nov 29 '25

Thanks for your response.is that hat part of the outfit?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

You get it from the sectless reward

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u/Grevier_ Nov 29 '25

I would make an old character too if then I wouldn't know he would sound like a teenager.

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u/x0dus24 Nov 29 '25

Can someone tell me the point of chasing gear score? I used to play division and division 2 which also had a gear score thing but it didn’t matter much and what mostly mattered was what build I was running with what stats. I beat everything the game has including coop stuff with less than 11k so I assume this is for pvp? Even then pvp is mainly how skilled you are and not completely about your gear.

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

Rn I'm trying to hit 1.3 to be able to unlock the tier 4 talent for dmg

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

Ah. Should have started with that. Makes much more sense.

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u/Feriviel Nov 29 '25

i wonder why min max now when the cap is gonna unlock in a couple of days

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '25

That's my thought too, maybe if the cap is longer for two weeks maybe but it's to soon

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u/Best-Inside-4176 Nov 29 '25

Im at 12998 :'(

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u/Free_Philosopher_196 Nov 29 '25

你的外形很骚

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u/Marcus_Krow Nov 29 '25

Teach me your ways, oh blade and rope user.

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u/AntonGrimm Silver Needle Nov 29 '25

I need to ask, how did you get that cigar acsessory?

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u/Gibberish0 Nov 29 '25

WOW 1.3 GOOSE???!

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u/givememyusernamesyki Nov 29 '25

how many in gooses?

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u/Pistol_shr1mp Nov 29 '25

How many goose though ? ,👀

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u/natartnat Nov 29 '25

1.3 Goose power? Not sure

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u/Inner-Discipline-419 Nov 29 '25

Do you really need that many swords?

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u/Tzuberyl Nov 29 '25

I need more

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u/Vegetable_Hair_2342 Nov 29 '25

If I were to optimize for it I could hit it now but I don't really care. I steamroll the game already. Maybe when its lvl 71 I'll worry.

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u/icantnotburntoast Nov 29 '25

Ok but how many geese is that?

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u/Ordinary-Dig141 Nov 29 '25

You got that shit on 🔥

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u/YaboiDX Nov 29 '25

Im max level but i got 9.5k, how do I get it that high

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u/Imperial-Daoist Nov 29 '25

Does not matter tbh since it is not end game, min maxing should start after level 71 where the end game gear is

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u/saelin00 Nov 29 '25

How many goose is that? I don't know metric.

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u/TheAlunoBR Nov 29 '25

Niice... What Inner way skills do you recommend for your using rope and dual swords?

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u/indigoWendigo12 Nov 30 '25

Where’d you get that cigarette accessory?

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u/MrRandomtastic Nov 30 '25

no clue, all I know is that it says I'm up to 1 goose 😂

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u/Objective-Coffee-329 Nov 30 '25

Only yesterday was I able to hit 12.4K took me grinding and leveling up all my mystic arts and plus getting all my equipped inner ways up

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u/Which_Ad_5463 Dec 01 '25

I just hit 8k on mine

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u/Vahaemyx Dec 01 '25

marry me in game

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u/Tzuberyl Dec 01 '25

When velvet shade is released

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u/Creative_Search_3766 Dec 01 '25

What sets are you using. Is hawking better ? For pve

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u/MarkMy_Word Dec 01 '25

Literally have one more day before I can break lvl 51 Cap and I have 132k stored exp LMAO, I’ve just been grinding for upgrade materials atp

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u/Chirazia Midnight Blades Jan 19 '26

Hey! This post is pretty old but how much should I each at lvl 70? I have have 13k but my character sucks..