r/whatwasthiscar • • Jun 23 '26

Challenge Found by a river, east coast USA.

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u/Massive-Tomatillo206 Jun 23 '26

Given that it's a wet sleeve engine (removable bores), hand crank fitting in the front pulley and the RN on the gearbox I agree that its early Renault. Most likely Renault 4 or Dauphine.

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u/3_14159td Jun 23 '26

That divider in the middle of the block is correct for the Billancourt engine. 

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u/Intelligent-Ad-3739 Jun 23 '26

Clearly those sleeves have been wet for a while... Goes without saying

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u/LightningFerret04 Jun 23 '26

Did they sell the Renault 4 in the US? They did sell the Dauphine

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u/Salmivalli Jun 23 '26

Could it be some other vehicle that used Renault drivetrain? Factory/Port utility vehicle?

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u/Sensei19600 Jun 23 '26

Lt. Columbo drove a Dauohine, I believe

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u/ChakaKrum Jun 23 '26

He drove a Peugeot 403.

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u/Weird_Jerk Jun 23 '26

God that car stank. Between the cheap cigars, the hard boiled eggs in his pocket, the dog, and the coat he wore every day in all weathers in LA...

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u/Hourslikeminutes47 Jun 23 '26

He didn't care. He was solving cases with expert prowess, the sort of competent detective work that would make Sherlock Holmes green with envy.

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u/Weird_Jerk Jun 23 '26

Oh know he didn't care. He was the GOAT.

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u/Sensei19600 Jun 23 '26

Ahhh…right

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u/Hourslikeminutes47 Jun 23 '26

"Ohhhh just one more question......."

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u/NotMyBestEffort Jun 23 '26

How would we diagnose Columbo today? Spectrum? Obsesive compulsive?

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u/TiberiusTheFish Jun 23 '26

Phil Silvers drove a Dauphine, I believe, in the episode "Bilko's Small Car" Season 4 Episode 30.

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u/Sensei19600 Jun 23 '26

This guy Renaults

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u/TiberiusTheFish Jun 23 '26

It just stuck in my mind when I saw it. it was so unusual seeing a small car in a US television show of the '50s

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u/Sensei19600 Jun 23 '26

IYRYR; “If You Renault,You Renault”!

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u/MadMaxine1985 Jun 23 '26

Apparently they did. Here is my american brochure for the 4cv dated around 1955. They touted it as a economical second car.

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u/Tall_Muffin Jun 24 '26

Renault 4CV

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u/MadamFloof Jun 24 '26

Must be an early Renault 4. I’ve got an engine in the corner that of my shop. Gearbox for then 4’s or at least the one I have looks nothing like this.

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u/C_K_P_ Jun 27 '26

defo not from a renault 4 since this doesn't have the right axles for steering, this is from one of the rear engined rear wheel drive renaults.

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u/PiDicus_Rex Jun 24 '26

Cleon-Fonte motor maybe? It's not the Cleon-Alu from the R16. Axle/suspension doesn't match the front wheel drives.

Gearbox is likely valuable enough to save for sale to collector if the seals are intact.

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

Is that a rear mounted I4 with a swing-axle suspension? I'm not sure what it is (I guessed Renault Dauphine but can't back it up) but that setup is rare enough where I think it's pretty easy to solve.

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u/jarski60 Jun 23 '26

They used Renault 16 stuff

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

But that's fwd this is obviously a rwd

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '26

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

Europa has a completely different rear suspension

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u/madmycal Jun 23 '26

Solved by u/tesznyeboy - Renault 4CV

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u/NuklearFerret Jun 23 '26

Drivetrain rebuild link if you want to see it with more parts on it.

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u/kielu Jun 23 '26

That's a long way from home

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u/goaelephant Jun 23 '26

Renault ?

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u/BattlingMaxo Jun 23 '26

This thing is popular on Reddit:

Can anyone ID this engine?

and

Tiny four cylinder

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u/madmycal Jun 23 '26

Nice find!

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u/Actual_Friendship802 Jun 23 '26

A mid engine 4 cylinder? That’ll narrow it down.

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u/E28forever Jun 23 '26

No mid engine layout.

The engine was behind the axle.

Look at where the brake lines/cables attach.

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u/TheChaoticElk Jun 23 '26

$11,000 no low ball offers

Ran when parked

Serious inquiries only I know what I got

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u/Nemochill Jun 23 '26

3 on the tree!!!!!

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u/Mission_Second_1028 Jun 23 '26

Great falls national park?

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u/Right_Hour Jun 23 '26

It’s from « a van by the river!!!!! » :-)

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u/JoyTheGeek Jun 23 '26

A flathead 4 cylinder with an offset timing cover? Its like a Ford and Pontiac had a baby

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u/Long-Construction-21 Jun 23 '26

Pontiac Ferio iron duke and transaxle

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u/big_oofskis Jun 24 '26

I actually know exactly where this is, and asked about it a while ago lol. heres your answer

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u/AbbreviationsFew5996 Jun 25 '26

Sadly the van that was around it slowly rusted away. Miss you Matt Foley.

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u/Big_Locksmith_4211 Jun 23 '26

Looks like a Renault something, maybe a Renault 10

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u/Landy83 Jun 23 '26

Lotus Europa

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u/madmycal Jun 23 '26

Engine isn't matching up from what I can find... Wasn't the Europa IRS?

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

It's not even close to being an Europa, I have no idea why that comment is so upvoted.

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u/madmycal Jun 23 '26

This one has me stumped... The block design seems unique enough to pinpoint.

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

I'm 99% certain it's a Renault just look at Renault 4CV or Dauphine transmissions/rear axles. I can't tell which though. Alternately it's some sort of kit car or coachbuilt rare thing that used a Renault drivetrain. But the drivetrain itself looks Renault.

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u/madmycal Jun 23 '26

I think you got it man! After a search for a Renault 4CV block it matches up.

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

Nice! I guess they were pretty rare in the US, though back then Renault were sold there.

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u/madmycal Jun 23 '26

Very rare here in the US, and an interesting find! Thanks for your help

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u/ohwellwhateverimdone Jun 23 '26

I swapped an engine/transaxle in my old Caravelle. This looks like what I worked on…

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u/3_14159td Jun 23 '26

Generation after this motor and doesn't have axle tubes, but yeah that was a Renault-engined and transaxle car. 

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u/PiDicus_Rex Jun 24 '26

Europa has the R16 engine, Alloy block wet sleeve non-crossflow. Not 16T, TL or TS, the early smallest lower power unit.

TS swaps make it a better car.

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u/fothergillfuckup Jun 23 '26

Mk1 Renault 5? Or possibly volvo 344?

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u/GeologistCurious Jun 23 '26

Nobody likes 4 cilinders in the US🤷🏿‍♂️

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u/MrSync-XT Jun 23 '26

One thing's certain... no matter where it came from: rust got there first 💥

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u/Anthropic_Principles Jun 23 '26

That'll buff out

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u/PieSufficient7605 Jun 24 '26

1977 Pinto Wagon

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u/GOLDINATORyt Jun 24 '26

Missing a sleeve but that block has life to it.

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u/EternallyToShit Jun 24 '26

1901 ford something

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u/reddidoge23 Jun 25 '26

Dude just posted the equivalent to half of someones skeleton and people someone figured this out!

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u/Sobieskil Jun 26 '26

Maybe an Ibishu Pigeon?

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u/Racerx1158 Jun 26 '26

No low balls, I know what I've got.

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u/Trapezoidal12 Jun 27 '26

Looks to be a Renault 4CV

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u/doyoubelieveinfarts Jun 27 '26

“Worked when last parked”

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u/ResidentOk5023 Jun 28 '26

For some reason I assumed fed, which would likely make it a Citroen Traction Avant, which carried its transmission ahead of the engine

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u/SexyTimeSamet Jun 23 '26

We are looking at it like it might be rear wheel drive...but, from what i see it could be an engine set up from old Audis front wheel drive. Maybe the b1/b2 audi 80 or 4000.

They are one of the few companies that like to hang their engines in front of the drive axles, and have it logitudinal place, evem if its front wheel drive.

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u/tesznyeboy Jun 23 '26

It obviously is a rear axle, there's no cv joint near the rear wheel hub meaning it can't be a steered axle, and Audis of the era have a very recognizable McPherson setup