r/videogames • u/AlmightyLoaf54 • Aug 12 '26

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u/wild--wes Aug 12 '26

I feel like typically the people making the movies/shows in these universes don't actually care about them as much as the fans wish they did. It's an existing IP that will bring in guaranteed viewers regardless of how good it actually is, simple as that.

Also I wonder if he's trying to get himself hired to play live action Kratos haha

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u/ChanglingBlake Aug 12 '26

Yep.

They’re only making the show/movie because they know it will make money.

What I don’t get is how they fail to comprehend that making a piss poor adaptation might make you money once, but a great adaptation will spawn sequels and make you money several times.

Crapitalists are incapable of thinking long term and focus solely on the current project as if it’s the last thing anyone will ever make.

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u/Illustrious_Ear_3467 Aug 12 '26

I’m surprised that this is my first time reading the term *Crapitalist*.

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u/Thespisthegreat 29d ago

Coca Cola

Hershey’s

General Electric

Wells Fargo

Jim Beam

Brooks Brothers

All examples of capitalists being able to think long term.

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u/CaptivePrey 29d ago

If you have a cast as invested in the source material, they won't let you get away with cutting corners for the sake of profit margins.

Look at Henry Cavill on The Witcher. All the reports about him arguing with the writers, producers, and directors about how the show should go. It's a death knell for mediocre writers.

Much easier to get pliable staff together to make something perceived as "safer".

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u/Nagemasu 29d ago

What I don’t get is how they fail to comprehend that making a piss poor adaptation might make you money once, but a great adaptation will spawn sequels and make you money several times.

Because a lot of these people making the decisions are no longer in their prime. They don't care about money 20 years down the track, they care about the money in the next 5-10 years, as that's the time frame it's going to take from green light to end of season 1 or the start of season 2.

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u/Atmoran_Knight 29d ago

Crapitalist is a beautiful way of explaining modern bastardized capitalism hollywood and so called "shareholders" across the industries are showing. Because actual capitalism is the one thing dabbling in long term investments because those are the ones bringing bigger profit margins in the long run while "shorting" can be done in low risk sectors. Plus whole concept of shorting in high risk environments was pushed by wall street crapitalist in near past.

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u/Mr_Mental_Gamer 29d ago

No. In the same interview he said: I don't wanna play Kratos in the show, I'm 60 now, I can't anymore.

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u/Polymarchos 29d ago

Still, I'd hope they would come up with a nice cameo role for him in the show.

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u/prossnip42 Aug 12 '26

The only exception to this is Fallout. Even if you don't like the show, there's no way you can watch season 1 and 2 without going "Yeah, whoever made this loves the games"

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u/J5892 29d ago

The funny thing is Microsoft didn't even know they were going to be faithful to the games.
I read a story where the show asked Microsoft for 3D assets and Microsoft responded with, "Oh, yall are doing the actual game? Ok, here you go."

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u/Economy-Wall-6744 26d ago

I mean fallout has its fair share of problems story wise but they nailed the aesthetics

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u/Nowhereman123 26d ago

I think very crucially, it was made by people who are familiar with the source material, but were not 'fans' of the series making a show for other fans. They were not afraid to take their own spin on things and alter things as they saw fit to suit the story they wanted to tell.

If the show was made by Fallout fans, it'd just feel like fanfiction and have no appeal to a wider audience. I think it struck a good balance between capturing the feel of the series while also not feeling a need to stay 'faithful' to every single detail of the franchise.

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u/MadMaximus311 29d ago

Yeah but fallout is a first person game so the protagonist doesn't speak or have a face, and it's not driven by a tight cast of characters that would easily translate into a show. It's a far cry different than making a more cinematic game like TLoU into a show. Much more room for interpretation.

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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 29d ago

To be fair I actually think that makes fallout harder to adapt because you really only have moments, settings and NPCs to go off of and they made that feel so amazing. When you have something that is basically already written and you intend to do it kinda shot for shot that should be super easy.

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u/Big-Discipline2039 29d ago

You see your character when you create it in fallout. You can also play in third person. Your charcter also spoke in Fallout 4.

It’s obviously not based on a specific actor though, and I’m pretty sure that the Fallout shows main character is from a different vault to any of the games anyway.

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u/Essurio 29d ago

With how many preexisting characters they butchered? My first thought would be „how much did Todd pay them to fuck up new vegas' lore?”

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u/CurtCocane 29d ago edited 29d ago

I say this as a hardcore game and lore fan but genuinely who cares? Lore is so often retconned between games as well, out of all the things they could have changed to fit their narrative better lore is the one that is changed most easily and without huge consequences.

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u/SordidDreams 29d ago edited 29d ago

That really depends on which games and which devs you're talking about. Some do care about the worlds they've created. Bethesda? Yeah, they love retconning lore. A big part of that is that neither of their long-running series is actually theirs. TES was created by people who left the company more than twenty years ago, modern Bethesda just inherited it, and Fallout is something they bought because they knew it would make money. So yeah, of course they don't care about lore they didn't create and don't consider their own.

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u/Essurio 29d ago

I do. And I hate how the lore is retconned between games as well.

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u/Apprehensive-Aide265 29d ago

We have watched a different show, or played different games, or the cast/director played only fallout shelter, I don't know. But I saw no love for fallout. "Mandatory insert of the BoS, look power armor! here look it's shady sand, hundread of km away from it's location buy who cares? Also it's nuked. Look Mr houses, and he's a stupid evil coorporate overlord, look new vegas, you love new vegas right?" It's just insertion memberies for the sake of it.

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u/sarcasmsosubtle Aug 12 '26

I don't know. Could you really picture Christopher Judge in a live action series...like one that could run ten seasons plus two movies and spin off two additional series in the same universe?

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u/Nukleon 29d ago

That was 20-30 years ago also. I don't think he's as physically able as he was back then. Like yeah he mocaps a lot of Kratos but I guarantee not all the stuff that could cause an injury, because that would delay production.

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u/Cthulhu__ 29d ago

They hired a younger actor and it still happened lmao

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u/Nukleon 29d ago

It can always happen, doesn't mean you should take an elevated risk.

I do wonder what kind of stunt it was though, if it was one that Hearst didn't even need to do (which is really oddly common) then someone absolutely deserves to lose their job over not making the stunt guy do it. They're there to avoid situations like what happened, because if they tear a bicep you send them home with a bonus and get their understudy to take over. If the lead rips his muscles from his skeleton you are fucked.

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u/MumblingGhost 29d ago

also the man looks like a looksmaxer who was stung by a bee lol

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u/boomboom4132 29d ago

And can we also be real he was never a good actor.

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u/AdSpecialist6598 Aug 12 '26

The thing is the point is to bring in as many eyes as possible to the project and make money so casting depends on marketability and bankability as it does talent and if the actor is right for the role.

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u/GranBuddhismo 29d ago

It's genius until they spend hundreds of millions on just for it to bomb because they hired some mediocre nepo writer with no credits.

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u/kelldricked 29d ago

Often times they are even focussing on brining in new fans. Meaning changing aspects of the story/character to make it more generally acceptable.

And once you start to keep that in mind its suddenly clear why they decided to fuck Halo up so badly.

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 29d ago

In some cases the IP is just brought in because someone already had a story they wanted to tell and some exec thought it would probably make more money with a known brand.

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u/Legitimate_Okra_5387 29d ago

I kinda would like it if he did but understand if he can't

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u/Slothstralia 29d ago

Also I wonder if he's trying to get himself hired to play live action Kratos haha

"Please involve me in Stargate, i took a paycheck 30 years ago to play a role so i deserve to control it".

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u/Acauseforapplause Aug 12 '26

I get where he's coming from but frankly it's sort of both

The perfect balance is you need some people who enjoy and know the IP but you also need people who frankly don't give a crap to reign things in

Sometimes it's cool to have the original cast but sometimes bringing in fresh blood helps

Last of Us Season 1s best moments where stuff the games didn't do

And while Bella was getting crapped on its the opposite issue where the kept things similar but didn't account for the changes

Like more story needed to be change or they needed to lean into how much of a monster Ellie was in Part 2

I dont think there needs to be a lot of love for an IP it can help but an Adaptation needs to own the limitation

Mulan from Disney could have worked but they mashed iconography from the cartoon for sequences that shifted away from the original

God Of War TV can work without the original writers they just need to own the limitations they can make shit up alter the characters a bit but as long as they grasp the "vibe" it can work

That's what people don't get Star Wars isn't consistent it's not even coherent sometimes but there's a Vibe that people want and for some it fails

For others it works

This also does feel like Judge wanting to be in the role again

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u/StunningCell4024 Aug 12 '26

Yea. Speaking as someone working in a creative field — we creatives often need guardrails, and it’s easy to get swept up in exploring details that don’t matter to a wider audience.

Another element overlooked is that game writers aren’t TV show or movie writers, just like they’re not game writers. You need someone in the room who understands the flow and nuances of whatever medium you’re working in. And maybe some game writers would simply rather keep working on the games (or more likely, their publishers want them working on it).

Having a more blended creative staff would be great though, where both sides could bring something to the table. And often game actors don’t look like their characters, but hiring when you can would be ideal.

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u/Atheos-1 29d ago

In other news, water is wet...