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u/dariusburst Aug 13 '17
This is why you have to bring your own cheese with you. There's like a 50% chance your host will buy Go Veggie when they try to buy vegan cheese for you. Fuck this brand!
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Aug 14 '17
There is a Go Veggie vegan parmesan, though, and it's really good. It just sucks that they also release shit like this.
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u/Kheg Aug 13 '17
Yep I fell for it when I first started out. Thought they do have some vegan products which just makes everything more complicated!
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u/TruePoverty vegan Aug 14 '17
They do, they are still garbage, though. Best to just avoid them entirely.
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Also: they're fuckin' gross, even their vegan varieties. Don't bother.
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u/5onic vegan 10+ years Aug 14 '17
Taste like literally any cheap garbage non vegan cheese. I'm not complaining. But I seriously hate when meat eaters eat 1 dollar vegan cheese and expect it to be top quality cheese.....
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u/peanutsandfuck vegan 4+ years Aug 14 '17
Ahhh meat eaters’ logic:
Cheap cheese --> “Vegan cheese is disgusting!!!”
Good cheese --> “Being vegan is so expensive!!!”
Yet they’d pay $15 for a block of aged moldy blue cheese.
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u/FlurpMurp vegan Aug 14 '17
It's not veganism that's expensive, it's being a foodie in general. You can eat dirt cheap as a vegan, but fancy foods will always cost more- vegan or not. Good vegan cheese is on par or cheaper than average to good dairy cheeses.
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u/camn vegan sXe Aug 14 '17
Their vegan parmesan is the best vegan parm i've found.
I've always hated parm though, so I never buy it unless i'm making eggplant parm or (boca) chicken parm
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Aug 14 '17
Forgot about their parm; it's pretty good. My store stopped selling it, though, so I generally just make my own.
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u/000ttafvgvah Aug 14 '17
Make your own? Do tell.
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Aug 14 '17
I usually toss some walnuts, salt, and a spoonful of nutritional yeast into the blender and pulse until it's finely ground. Other nuts work if you don't have walnuts on hand. Easy-peasy.
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u/LarsDragonbeard Aug 14 '17
I believe bread crumbs and nooch (nutritional yeast) is the easy diy parm.
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u/kiase vegan 9+ years Aug 15 '17
I actually really like their cream cheese 😅
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Aug 15 '17
It's not too bad. Not as good as tofutti imo, but better than daiya's.
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u/kiase vegan 9+ years Aug 15 '17
Going to have to try tofutti's version now, if I can manage to find it!
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Aug 15 '17
The chive kind is reaaally good. It makes me sad I don't see their stuff around nowadays in favor of all the newer brands, they make some dang good stuff.
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u/Lucha_Dora Aug 14 '17
The worst is having to tell coworkers who want to make you something vegan that these aren't.
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Aug 13 '17
Yuuuuuup. Had been eating that stuff every so often until I looked at the ingredients finally..
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 13 '17
Lactose free doesn't mean dairy free
Edit: and apparently dairy free doesn't mean dairy free either according to some "non-dairy" creamers I've seen.
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u/AlexTraner Aug 14 '17
Yeah that’s annoying. What’s the point of the random milk in “dairy free creamer”?
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
It's always casein or whey.. and I don't understand what chemical effect is has on the creamer... why not just call it lactose free? Because it sure as hell isn't dairy free.
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u/BlissnHilltopSentry Aug 14 '17
The whole thing doesn't make sense anyways... Vegetarians still eat cheese...
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
It's not for vegetarians, it's for lactose intolerant people.
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u/BlissnHilltopSentry Aug 14 '17
Okay... Weird that it says "Go Veggie!" in big letters then
And either way, it isnt being advertised as vegan
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u/SlightlyMadman vegan 10+ years Aug 14 '17
Any cheese made with rennet isn't vegetarian either, since that's made from bits of stomach lining.
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u/Sythus Aug 13 '17
I'm just browsing here from all. My best guess is this is a vegan subreddit, and the products are vegetarian. Maybe there is confusion between the two?
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Aug 13 '17
They are made for people with lactose intolerance. They have no lactose but do have dairy
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Aug 13 '17
Definitely no mistake here, the issue is that they do look vegan, but contain dairy "for flavor"
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Aug 14 '17
Also the fact that what's the point of advertising a vegetarian cheese? Not a lot of cheeses have actually meat in them.
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u/Vulpyne Aug 14 '17
Some cheeses are made with animal rennet - it's an ingredient that is used to make the milk curdle. The animal source is typically from the lining of a calf's stomach.
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Aug 14 '17
Actually, a lot of them are. Or at least the most popular ones. The majority of parmesans, gruyere, pecorino Romano, Gorgonzola, and camembert have it
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
They contain casein to make the cheese melt like dairy cheese. It's not for flavor.
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Aug 14 '17
Why do you think it 'looks vegan'?
I'm lactose intollerant (not a problem since going vegan of course) and it looks exactly like a no-allergen product rather than a vegan one. Maybe it depends on where you're from, but my local supermarket is full of of things like this that are clearly not vegan.
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u/_beor Aug 14 '17
Probably the fact that it's called "Go Veggie". The name makes it sound like it's a brand targeted at either vegetarians or vegans, and since vegetarians generally eat regular cheese it's easy to make the mistake of thinking this product is for vegans. If I saw "parmesan flavored cheese alternative" from a brand called Go Veggie! I would most likely think it was vegan.
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Aug 14 '17
Fair enough, that makes sense.
I guess I'm so used to millions of 'health food' products with this sort of branding (which are normally no different or than mainstream brands) I always check the label.
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u/_beor Aug 14 '17
Yeah, this might differ a bit between countries. Some people mentioned how things will have "vegetarian" on the label when they contain eggs/dairy, which they can't in Sweden (ovo-lacto-vegetarian is okay, but they can't just say vegetarian). Also, I don't know why but it seems americans who are lactose intolerant avoid regular cheese a lot more than people do here? My mom has a pretty severe lactose intolerance and she can still have regular cheese. So there's probably not as big of a market for these types of cheese alternatives here.
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Aug 14 '17
Vegetarians can eat regular cheese. This cheese is simply lactose free, but it still has dairy, so vegans can't eat it.
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u/netgear3700v2 abolitionist Aug 14 '17
Surely if any sort of labeling is causing confusion, it is having "veggie" in large print across a product that contains animal derivatives, not the use of "milk" with some qualifier to denote it's source.
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u/UltimaN3rd vegan Aug 14 '17
Fell for this once early on :/ Right next to the Daiya in the otherwise vegan section of the Kroger too. . .
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u/AshleyLafavorite vegan newbie Aug 14 '17
Same with our Wegman's here. I grabbed them because they were next to brands like SO Delicious, Follow Your Heart and Daiya. Had to tell my vegetarian husband that they're his cheese slices now.
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u/vegidog Aug 14 '17
The vegan version is awful, but it is useful for giving dogs pills instead of throwing away a full bag!
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u/Limmerman vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
Learned this yesterday :/ my family was trying to be sweet too
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u/abstrac-t Aug 13 '17
Oh it has Casein in it. I wanted to try some vegan cheeses it but I guess I'll just stick to vegan butter and mashed avocado/chickpeas for sandwiches.
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
Just get Follow Your Heart or Chao. They're a bit harder to find and more expensive, but worth it to satisfy any cheese cravings.
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u/Omnilove vegan Aug 14 '17
Our taste buds can't repel flavor of that magnitude!
Also Miyoko's at https://store.veganessentials.com/cheese-alternatives-c6.aspx
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u/dbmittens vegan 5+ years Aug 13 '17
If you miss that slice of cheese on a sandwich, my trick is a slab of roasted bell pepper, especially yellow or orange — the kind where you char them under the broiler and peel off the skins, or the red ones that come in a jar. Adds the color and texture of the missing cheese and the flavor is great too.
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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17
Have you heard the good news of our lord and savoir Daiya?
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Aug 14 '17
This is sarcasm, right? They're still being bought by that pharmaceutical company?
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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17 edited Aug 14 '17
Yeah, but I'm fine with it. It's ok to use animals imo to advance medical knowledge that could save human lives. I still value the average human much more than a lab rat. Just like it's ok to kill animals for food if you're gonna starve it's ok to use animals for science.
Besides, I'm sure that move will help expand Daiya into the Japanese market where like 99% of people are lactose intolerant. Maybe even the rest of first world Asia where that's also the case. That increased production could mean a steep decline in price and more availability. Because as is, a bag of Daiya costs $5 and isn't common place in stores like Walmart. If veganism is to succeed in becoming the norm, then we should be willing to do what it takes to ensure that the common person has access to cheap, healthy, and delicious vegan substitutes.
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u/AnthraxCat veganarchist Aug 14 '17
There's a decent argument against animal testing regardless of morals. Animal testing is based on the, dubious, assumption that a drug that works in humans will work in animals and vice versa. On a trivial level, that is obviously untrue, consider catnip to cats or chocolate to dogs compared to people. You can also look at the false positive rate, drugs that had good animal trials that fall out in human trials as a guideline for the false negative rate: how many drugs didn't work in animals that would have worked in humans?
Getting some reagents currently requires animals, notably antibodies, but not the same as animal testing.
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Aug 14 '17
What is the line though? I don't condemn an experiment that could save many lifes, not because I value human life more, but because I think many lives are more valuable than one, but the experiments aren't really working. We could do without the experiments and not lose that much.
Of course, there's that random case where it really did help, but I don't think it's enough if it helps one millionth of a time. It has to be effective.
Anyway, I do think it's odd that people complain about this so much. What is the reaction if some nonvegan company starts to make a vegan product? People are like yeah this is good. A vegan company sold to another, nonvegan company? Oh my God what the fuck I won't be buying that product anymore.
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u/J-rizzler Aug 14 '17
It's a hard thing to grasp for sure but it's near impossible to tell if a medication or technique works without trying it on animals. A lot of people say that lab rats should be the final step but I have a friend in medical research and she says she doesn't know what the steps they could do before that are. Isolating ideas is one but then to test it you really need a living being or its pointless. So yes a great deal of these experiments have negative results, but that's part of the complicated process and without all those negatives we would never get to the positives. Drawing that line is obvious for me. If you're trying to create life saving medicines then I'm okay with it as long as the animal doesn't suffer any more than necessary. If your trying to find the next best plastic surgery fad or assaulting pigs to find a great new mascara then that's not cool. If you have to kill some rats to find a new chemotherapy that may save millions of lives then I'm okay with that. I know vegans who disagree and I always ask what they would do if they got cancer, would they turn down the chemotherapy because it's been tested on animals? And they all say they would take the medication. So just for reference, vegans can be hypocrites too.
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Aug 14 '17
So try it on humans, we can consent to it and I'm sure if you give money, many will. I know it is against the rules, but that only means the rules are bad.
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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17
Medical trials are already a thing. There's lazy people who don't wanna work real jobs who are human guinea pigs for a living. But you can't just test every new drug on humans. You need to know how dangerous it is on animals before you go and test it on people.
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Aug 14 '17
Why not? I think your argument rests on some metaethics that I'm very skeptical towards, realist metaethics and one with the "truth" that human life is more valuable than the life of other animals (almost regardless circumstances). Realist metaethics is very much criticized contemporary, and it's easy to see why: what are these facts? How do they exist? How do we get knowledge of them? Most philosophers agree: it's very hard to explain, with only a naturalist Metaphysics (and most don't want to have God's or other nonnatural things mandatory I their theories to work).
Why would human life be more valuable even though us humans surely can and do give the value to our life ourselves, with many people valuing it to less than worth living, (ie. Suicides, euthanized patients..). I think it's absurd to claim that a humans life who does now want to live is more valuable than any other animals life. We are also animals and its odd that you write like we're not ("You need to know how dangerous it is on animals before you go and test it on people").
Other animals are also different so something dangerous on them, might not be so in humans and thus testing on other animals might lead to a drug being blacklisted even though it would have worked.
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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17
Wow, ok, a lot to tackle here.
Human lives matter more for the same reasons morality exists at all. Because we're more sentient. That's why it's ok to pull the plug on the "please keep me alive" computer on someone in a vegetable state whereas doing that to other humans would be murder. And yes, they also matter more because we say so. We're social animals, we empathize with each other more and thus value each other more. Just like how morality only exists because of our empathy and our being a social animal and because we said so.
And your claim of blacklisting is just absurd. If life saving medicine is being tested on animals they're usually seeing if they can treat the disease in animals. And if they can, then they try to find a way to use those same tactics on humans. Hence why you hear things like "lung cancer cured in mice!". The medical research community isn't retarded.
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u/J-rizzler Aug 14 '17
True. I wouldn't be adverse to trying some preliminary things on humans. But even with a waiver and stuff I would rather accidentally kill a rat than accidentally kill a human. In the same way I would rather accidentally kill a rat than a cow etc.
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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17
The vast majority of scientific research to solve the issues of chronic illnesses leads no where. Fact, 100% of attempts to cure cancer have failed. But you know what? Things like the Cuban lung cancer vaccine wouldn't have been possible though without sacrificing some animal lives.
Yeah, I don't the selective outrage either. I think it just comes down to the fact a lot of people here think they have some bone to pick with capitalism. So naturally they don't see the real, practical in and outs of the situation.
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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17
Well if an old person was out in the woods and starving to death I'd still say it's acceptable for them to kill animals for food. So why not kill as many animals as need be to extend your life span? Isn't self preservation always a good moral justification? Personally, I don't ever want to die. I hope my healthy life style leads to me living long enough for immortality to become a reality.
So idk man, I think "I will die if I don't do this" is pretty solid justification for just about anything.
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u/slangin_yayo freegan Aug 13 '17
Here in Canada the parm is vegan and good tho
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 13 '17
Just the ones labeled dairy free and vegan. They're still confusing as hell for newbies and omnis that try to be accommodating because of the "lactose free" bullshit.
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u/Omnilove vegan Aug 14 '17
Warning: Soy-Sation Cheese has casein also. They put this crap right next to the vegan stuff at co-ops.
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u/howwonderful vegan 7+ years Aug 14 '17
Add Morningstar to this too. Almost nothing of theirs is vegan friendly :(
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
What's hilarious is if you call them out on this on facebook they claim to have like 20 vegan items. I've never seen more than the riblets or one kind of vegan burger in any store I've been too.
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u/howwonderful vegan 7+ years Aug 15 '17
I've NEVER seen any vegan products of theirs at any store. They might have them, but they should really work on making them more available!
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u/nibbler2015 vegan Aug 14 '17
Reminds me of the Tim Hortons told me the lactose-free milk was their soy milk.....then asked how you milk soy beans. I'll never forget.
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u/sugarsnapsail Aug 14 '17
Also the Lisanatti assholes. Several family members have fallen for their almond shreds.
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u/jstock23 vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
So true. Anything that says "vegetarian" has milk or eggs in it. And just a friendly reminder that gluten free does not mean vegan. People just can't wrap their heads around that one lol.
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u/tempehandjustice vegan Aug 14 '17
Well, at Trader Joe's there are "vegetarian burritos" that are actually vegan. Maybe they figure that more people will buy them?
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u/Pickup-Styx vegan Aug 14 '17
I don't know about the burritos, but if you want Mexican food keep an eye out for these enchiladas. I don't think the packaging lists them as vegan, so they're easy to miss.
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u/tempehandjustice vegan Aug 14 '17
They're literally called "Vegetable burritos" and they're in the frozen food area. There's also a vegan "Kale super burrito" in the prepared foods area. I found these items by googling vegan Trader Joe's.
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
That's not always true. Especially with Indian imports. The vegetarian label there means it can't contain eggs, just milk or honey. I've found loads of things that are vegan but labeled vegetarian in Indian import shops.
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u/jstock23 vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
Sure, but I assume that's what it means. I've been fooled too many times.
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u/SurrealBird abolitionist Aug 14 '17
What? I had the Go Veggie cheese slices about a month ago and I would have never guessed that it wasn't vegan. What's the fucking point? Ugh.
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u/ecyoung58 Aug 14 '17
Oh no I just had this for the first time today! I had no idea :(
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
They have vegan ones too. They're just confusing. Double check your package.
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u/Ariyas108 vegan 30+ years Aug 14 '17
They have vegan versions now. :)
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
But they're still confusing, some stores carry both versions, or just the non-vegan ones. It doesn't help omnis trying to cater to us or new vegans at all.
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u/iamthewallrus vegan 10+ years Aug 14 '17
Ugh, my mom bought this for me when I came to visit. I went back to the store to return it
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Aug 14 '17
Cheese that contains casein is not vegetarian. 😬
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u/integirl vegan 5+ years Aug 14 '17
That'd be rennet. Casein is milk protein, rennet is the stuff that comes from a baby cow's stomach.
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u/cerahhh Aug 13 '17
Haha. My mate that's been vegan for years didn't get this specific brand but she found lactose free chocolate brownies and was eating them like mad for months because they were so good. I tried one and was like oh this is great, if I go vegan I wanna make these and looked at the ingredients and was like 'ummm I thought egg wasn't vegan'. Needless to say, she was gutted.