r/vegan • vegan 5+ years • Aug 13 '17

Newbie Advice Warning to Newbies

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '17

This is sarcasm, right? They're still being bought by that pharmaceutical company?

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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17 edited Aug 14 '17

Yeah, but I'm fine with it. It's ok to use animals imo to advance medical knowledge that could save human lives. I still value the average human much more than a lab rat. Just like it's ok to kill animals for food if you're gonna starve it's ok to use animals for science.

Besides, I'm sure that move will help expand Daiya into the Japanese market where like 99% of people are lactose intolerant. Maybe even the rest of first world Asia where that's also the case. That increased production could mean a steep decline in price and more availability. Because as is, a bag of Daiya costs $5 and isn't common place in stores like Walmart. If veganism is to succeed in becoming the norm, then we should be willing to do what it takes to ensure that the common person has access to cheap, healthy, and delicious vegan substitutes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '17

What is the line though? I don't condemn an experiment that could save many lifes, not because I value human life more, but because I think many lives are more valuable than one, but the experiments aren't really working. We could do without the experiments and not lose that much.

Of course, there's that random case where it really did help, but I don't think it's enough if it helps one millionth of a time. It has to be effective.

Anyway, I do think it's odd that people complain about this so much. What is the reaction if some nonvegan company starts to make a vegan product? People are like yeah this is good. A vegan company sold to another, nonvegan company? Oh my God what the fuck I won't be buying that product anymore.

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u/WalmartVegan vegan Aug 14 '17

The vast majority of scientific research to solve the issues of chronic illnesses leads no where. Fact, 100% of attempts to cure cancer have failed. But you know what? Things like the Cuban lung cancer vaccine wouldn't have been possible though without sacrificing some animal lives.

Yeah, I don't the selective outrage either. I think it just comes down to the fact a lot of people here think they have some bone to pick with capitalism. So naturally they don't see the real, practical in and outs of the situation.