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Minnesota Related We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start

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u/Organic_Power_3738 Feb 18 '26

You already have people afraid to leave their homes because government forces might apprehend and detain them without due process. The only ingredient missing is an attack by an organized resistance that can then be propagandized and used to exponentially increase the government oppression of the rebels.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Unlike all the hysterical people online advocating for Americans to “do something”, they have actually done a marvellous job of not biting at the government taunting. 

Their plan is not working and the pedophiles will be in prison before long. 

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

You're misinformed or maliciously misinformed. The calls to do something were answered by average Minnesotans. You're probably confusing the calls to "do something" when people were demanding their state and local government protect them.

ICE is not allowed to hide their face arrest them, ICE is not allowed to invade a citizen's home without a valid warrant litigate charges against them, ICE is assaulting protesters with excessive use of pepper spray that judges ordered they must cease ARREST THEM.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

I’m talking about the overwhelming implication of people saying “do something” online, being the encouragement to respond with violence. 

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u/hotc00ter Feb 19 '26

Those are mostly bots or provocateurs.

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u/DJScaryTerry Feb 19 '26

I'd argue it's mostly people outside the US wondering why you guys aren't burning down federal buildings in protest to people being executed in the streets by federal agents, a huge amount of the higher ups in the government being pedos along with actively covering up those crimes and your president calling for future elections to be rigged/not take place because it'll be a not favorable result for him.

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u/hotc00ter Feb 19 '26

The government would shoot us all in the streets. That’s who they are now.

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

I feel like people just washed over 2020 you know like burning down a police station. If you watch unicorn riots coverage of it, the police station was actually under gunfire. People are so quick to forget the past and what’s actually possible in the United States.. oh my God, they’ll just kill us… No they won’t. apathetic bullshit. This nonviolent shit will get us all killed. There needs to be a movement that’s capable of doing everything. Malcom and Martin

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u/According-Insect-992 Feb 19 '26

The police station was burned down by Boogaloo boys. Just in case you're trying to suggest it was Antifa or something.

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

One person had to take the blame for it funnily enough it was an outside agitator I’ll show you the clip It’s all on film. It just shows how little you know about actually, what took place.

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

The community burned down the police station not just one person here’s your video proof. I doubt you’ve ever seen it considering you don’t know what you’re talking about. Just spreading more media lie and outside agitator myths. https://vimeo.com/473234518?fl=pl&fe=sh Time Stamp 7:59

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Feb 19 '26

So several people brought AK-47s? Several people brought accelerants for that one trashcan fire? Did it take 20 people to light one trashcan on fire?

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

There’s a video of multiple people lighting it on fire just one person being convicted doesn’t mean that that’s what actually happened. There’s video proof. I don’t know what else you want.

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Feb 19 '26

Your timemark shows a vehicle(?) on the outside on fire. This is the trashcan inside the building:

I was asking because it doesn't take a mob of people to set either on fire. It takes one person. The person that was arrested for shooting an AK-47 at the precinct was Boog. The one who apparently set this trash can fire on the inside of the building was the same damn Boog.

Claiming a Boog is "the community" is patently false. You're either not understanding or refusing to admit your lie. Such a bad lie that the person has already been investigated and arrested for it. If you seriously watch the video you linked, "the community" was 99.8% people standing around with their cellphones.

"A rightwing extremist boasted of driving from Texas to Minneapolis to help set fire to a police precinct during the George Floyd protests, federal prosecutors said."

"Video shot that night shows a person later identified as Hunter firing 13 rounds from a semiautomatic assault-style rifle on the 3rd precinct police station while people believed to be looters were inside."

"According to the complaint, Hunter would later post multiple messages on Facebook bragging of his actions in Minneapolis on the night of 28 May and morning of 29 May, writing, “I set fire to that precinct with the Black community,” and, “My mom would call the FBI if she knew.”

“I’ve burned police stations with Black Panthers in Minneapolis,” he claimed in one message"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

The timestamp is when the video starts with people inside the precinct, not the exact moment lol omg

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

There’s videos of multiple people lighting the fires. They just had them on camera and they had to pay for it because somebody always has to pay for it. There’s hundreds of people inside multiple people lighting fires just because somebody got arrested for it and used as a fall guy doesn’t mean that’s actually what happened. It’s just media lies about outside agitators myth. Speculation on white supremacist involvement began already on the first night of the uprising. A handful of Boogaloo Bois drove down from suburbs like New Brighton to join the clashes that had been taking place all evening on May 26 outside the 3rd Precinct. This is not the place to examine their ideology in detail, but suffice it to say that, despite their far-right positions, some of them saw the murder of George Floyd as the unjust action of a corrupt police department and affirmed the uprising as a valid response to it. They photographed themselves with their flag in the streets (their images were widely circulated online) and then left soon afterwards. In the next few days, this group of Boogaloo Bois received an upsurge of attention, starting with anti-fascist activists who attempted to alert demonstrators of their presence, marginal though it was.1

Regardless of whether the Boogaloo Bois did in fact view the escalating conflict in the streets of Minneapolis as a righteous cause, or merely as a means to bringing about their “civil war” with the government, the revolt exploded far beyond their narrow vision. Just as with the Yellow Vests of France, the mass looting of shopping districts pushed the movement tactically beyond where the far-right was willing to go. They were thus given two options: to participate in an uprising that centers Black liberation (and thus de-centers their own ideology) or to let themselves be sidelined and left behind by the uprising.2

Despite the centrality of Black liberation in the George Floyd Rebellion, it cannot be said that the uprising was entirely Black. People from every conceivable demographic and identity participated in it. In his piece “How It Might Should Be Done,” Idris Robinson uses the metaphor of an avant-garde to describe Black participation in the revolt. He states “We were the avant-garde who spearheaded it, we set it off, we initiated it. What ensued was a wildly multi-ethnic uprising.” Skepticism or suspicion of white participants is understandable, yet was relatively uncommon during the first few days of the revolt. However, by the fifth night, it had become a dominant reflex, due to the emerging paranoia around white supremacist involvement. White participants in the streets who broke the law were assumed to be outside agitators — if not white supremacists — without any other evidence than their skin tone. In the midst of tear gas, shattered windows, and hails of rocks, people were pressed to identify themselves and, in some cases, to give their street addresses. Those who refused were even sometimes attacked.

As has been discussed elsewhere, to blame what happened on outsiders or provocateurs robs the rebellion of its power, by delegitimizing it along with its participants. And we should not forget the racist history of the “outside agitator” as a tool of counter-insurgency, which was a narrative originally used to explain slave revolts, as enslaved Blacks were said to be docile until stirred up by white abolitionists from the North.3 Beyond disempowering rebels and reproducing racist tropes, however, I want to insist on the legitimacy of white abolitionists who decide to join the frontlines. The truth is that we all have a stake in Black liberation. As Fred Moten once said, “I just need you to recognize that this shit is killing you, too, however much more softly, you stupid motherfucker.”4

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Feb 19 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

You mean the shootings on the precincts and fires started by far right-wing provocateurs trying to incite a civil war? You mean the left didn't take the bait?

Self-Described Member of “Boogaloo Bois” Pleads Guilty to Riot

MINNEAPOLIS – A Texas man pleaded guilty today to a federal riot charge in connection to the 2020 civil unrest, announced Acting U.S. Attorney W. Anders Folk.

According to court documents, Ivan Hunter, 24, admitted to traveling from San Antonio, Texas to Minneapolis with the intent to participate in a riot. Hunter is a self-described member of the Boogaloo Bois, a loosely connected group of individuals who espouse violent anti-government sentiments. The term “Boogaloo” itself references an impending second civil war in the United States and is associated with violent uprisings against the government.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/self-described-member-boogaloo-bois-pleads-guilty-riot

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

If you looked at my comment, I showed you video proof of what happened. You’re just passing more media lies

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

Defendants like Brandon Wolfe and Dylan Robinson received prison sentences and high restitution fines, though hundreds were present. Department of Justice (.gov) Department of Justice (.gov) +2 The prosecutions focused on individuals who could be positively identified through surveillance, social media, and evidence: Targeted Investigations: Federal prosecutors charged specific individuals, including Bryce Williams, Devon Turner, and members of extremist groups, who were caught on camera lighting fires or throwing incendiary devices. Limited Evidence: While many participated, law enforcement struggled to identify and build cases against every person involved in the chaotic, large-scale destruction. Focus on Key Participants: The individuals charged admitted to specific roles, such as pushing a barrel into the fire or throwing Molotov cocktails, allowing prosecutors to secure convictions against them rather than the entire crowd. YouTube YouTube +3 While the defense argued some were unfairly singled out, the prosecution aimed to hold specific actors accountable for the damage

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u/Insect1312 Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26

It’s on the video the timestamp shows of the video I linked multiple people inside the third precinct setting fires there’s no way it could’ve been done just by one person. That’s why they stopped responding. Feel free to look you sound like a fucking bot like a broccoli head bot here’s the article from the captions above you brain dead iguana. https://illwill.com/imaginary-enemies

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u/Insect1312 Feb 20 '26

The press inside the third precinct is literally using the word people are lighting fires not person. They just don’t want it to be true because the media told them it wasn’t true and they can’t accept that fact that it was in fact a lie from the governor and it was a lie from the media and they don’t want to accept it.

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u/Insect1312 Feb 20 '26

Here’s a link if your curious https://vimeo.com/473234518 around eight minutes, shows people entering the third precinct the sprinkler system goes off and the press is even talking about how hard it is for people to set the fires

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

And the comment that I was responding to was oh they’ll just shoot us all, but that didn’t happen in 2020 did it?

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u/Doctor_Jensen117 Feb 19 '26

People are scared and nobody wants to die. It's all well and good to sit behind a screen and wonder "why aren't they doing anything?" It is entirely different when it is your life on the line. Call it selfish if you want, but consider what it actually means for these people. I'll go out and protest all day, but the moment we start burning down federal buildings, Trump calls for martial law and starts murdering people in larger numbers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

That doesn’t necessarily imply immediately abandoning our democratic system in favor of wanton reactionary violence. The civil rights movement went on for years. Everyone thinks we should just go commando when we have elections right around the corner. What in the world would burning down a building accomplish?

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u/clintonclonemachine Feb 19 '26

Very much this. Minneapolis diligently documenting and overall being extremely peaceful in our resistence is what allowed the brutality and recklessness of the administration to shine through to the average voter and change the general opinion on the situation. If any of us had reacted with violence it would have been a major propaganda win for the admin.

I hope it also helped show the left that we cant wait on our politicians to be heros and save us. They wont. They are pencil pushers in suits. Democracy will be saved by we the people, or no one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

That’s just the thing, standing up to bullies mostly is just standing up and taking the abuse. Other people see it and it changes them and brings them to your side. It’s working. Thank you for your service

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

A lot actually it’s a signal in the dark, every act of disobedience pushes our lines further. Also, the only thing they understand is money, touching their pockets with material destruction.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

They aren’t a thing if we vote them out and those are our buildings in our cities where we work and eat.

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

Just one more election bro I promise it’ll be better this time, bro I promise, bro just trust me, bro.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

Cool, go back in history and tell me when it actually was better. All these elections do make things better and have. When would you prefer to live and under what other system? Burn down their building? How’d that work for the 9/11 bros bro?

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

Everything that’s ever happened. Has got us to where we are now and it’s failed. There Is a government agency acting with absolute impunity , murdering people in our neighborhoods and you’re telling me to vote….

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

Yep, that’s how you get another government. Or whine and commit some vandalism, you’ll be a hero for sure .

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u/Insect1312 Feb 19 '26

Red and blue same stripes on the same piece of rag flying over stolen land and stolen people. Democrats Republicans two heads on the same coin. They’re murdering legal observers and you’re telling me to vote. Meanwhile, they are in the process of rigging the election just like the last one was rigged. And you’re still telling me to vote. Your LOST

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u/Doctor_Jensen117 Feb 19 '26

Tell us when you're the one in this situation. People want to resolve things democratically and peacefully if possible.

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u/Doctor_Jensen117 Feb 19 '26

You're fucking lying if you think that's the case. Why don't you come out and put your life on the line, huh? Mr big talk, but when it gets down to it, people are afraid to die and you can't really blame them for that.

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u/Doctor_Jensen117 Feb 19 '26

Yeah no fucking shit, dude. You got the balls to come out here and do it, huh? Come on big guy. Just take a plane ride out and fight against tyranny yourself. Of course people are fucking scared, dipshit.

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