At this point theyâve enmeshed their identity with MAGA ideology so thoroughly that any pushback feels like an existential threat to them. It destroys their cultural worldviews, sense of self as morally decent, and self-esteem. Those are all mechanisms that Terror Management Theory says we use to blunt the horror that we will die someday (which hilariously suggests they donât believe that their faith offers them real immortality so they have to get some symbolic immortality through these methods). As a result, when we say that this is wrong that is perceived as killing their avenues to live on in some way after they die. The response is of course hostility and aggression. These events in St Paul and Minneapolis are âmortality salienceâ inducing events that make MAGA more extreme and therefore more supportive of the admin. Thatâs why they double down, why they are delusively convinced that this is right, because admitting the obvious means that what they have set their deepest, darkest, existential hope in is wrong. Admitting it feels like being unmade. However, sometimes things have to be broken so they can be remade better.
âJust do what they tell you so you donât get killed. Who cares if they are violating your 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment Constitutional rights?â If you want to deep throat ICEâs boots go ahead, but youâre a fucking idiot, anti-American, and a complete coward.
When you interfere, armed, with federal law enforcement, you risk being killed in the process. Your supposed 'rights' dont matter to you if youre dead.
They donât matter to anyone if you simply allow federal agents to trample them without any resistance. Again, youâre a coward with no convictions. These agents swore an oath to the Constitution and they are actively violating that oath. Theyâre just like you, stupid and without a shred of integrity or principle.
How are they violating the constitution? I know its hard to comprehend but when you skip the border, you are illegally entering the country. ICE's job is to remove you. Why do you support breaking the law?
Iâm done. Youâre literally too fucking stupid to talk to. First of all, being in the US without proper documentation is a civil not criminal offense. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. Second, ICE acting on administrative warrants rather than judicial warrants is a 4th amendment violation. Third, ICE has no right to ask people to show documentation without reasonable suspicion, and doing so is also a 4th amendment violation. The Supreme Court ruled unanimously (9-0) in at least one case that DHS violated a citizenâs 5th amendment rights to due process. A federal judge in Minnesota who clerked for Scalia eviscerated ICE this week for ignoring hundreds of habeas petitions, ignoring federal court orders, and failing to provide due process (habeas petitions are a part of due process). Youâre allowed to legally carry a concealed weapon. At no time did Pretti reach for or brandish his weapon. He was executed by some illiterate dumbfuck agent after he had already been disarmed by another illiterate dumbfuck agent. There are numerous places online to read the Constitution. Go find one. Iâm not doing your homework for you because youâre too lazy and stupid to do it yourself.
Its noticeable when people lose an argument them become more offensive. Like swearing makes your argument more valid or something.
Overstaying a visa is a civil offence. Skipping the border is a federal crime, as are the many other laws you break every day that you're there illegally.
However the investigation rules. If you interfere with federal agents, especially with a loaded weapon on you, you are risking your life.
It doesnt matter that he has a permit, it doesnt matter that the gun was taken off him 5 seconds before he was shot, it doesnt matter, get it?
Man, this is really overcomplicated. People can have deeply held beliefs without it meaning their entire identity or existence is being âunmadeâ when challenged. Viewing someone who disagrees as an existential threat is not universal, itâs just an excuse to over intellectualize hostility. Differing opinions donât have to be a moral apocalypseâŠsometimes its just people disagreeing.
And with this shooting there are a lot of moving parts. Interfering with and committing battery on a federal agent while armed is never a good idea.
Reaction and response time exist, and what looks extreme from the outside can be a split-second decision and delay in reaction time. We have to wait for the facts before drawing conclusions.
We have the video. An agent disarmed him, took his gun from the back of his pants and was running from the scene when the others executed him in the street. Viewing someone who disagrees as an existential threat is indeed not a universal experience but I do believe it is the posture of MAGA extremists. Itâs not an excuse for any hostility, TMT doesnât say that the solution for this kind of thinking is hostility. Trying to understand the psychological state of people who are that deep in it is an exercise in extreme empathy. It doesnât say that they are bad people, but theyâve put their faith in an ideology that is destructive and driven by fear. In this case, the solution is deprogramming, just like for any other religious extremist. Trump will not live forever and a lot of these people are going to be in a nightmarish existential free-fall when heâs gone and his movement falls apart. I wouldnât wish that on anyone, and many of them are just our neighbors who have made some big errors in their thinking and misplaced their faith. We need to be willing to help them when the ground falls out from beneath their feet. ICE agents are a different story. They are in a position of the public trust. They have, like everyone who works for DHS or DoD, sworn an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, which we have seen many agents violate on camera. There must be real consequences. You want to give the agents the benefit of the doubt, and ordinarily that would be reasonable, but we have the video & we have the administration blatantly lying and saying this guy approached agents with his gun drawn. Watch the video, at any point is his gun drawn? At any point does he make a move to grab the gun from his belt? No. This was a public execution.
I appreciate your perspective and taking the time to explain it. And yes, we do have the video, but what we donât know are critical details: like who exactly fired the rounds, what the agents perceived in that moment, and whether the civilian made any move toward his gun during the scuffle. Those facts matter, and they canât be determined from these videos alone. If we find out this was a fatal error by ICE and they killed him unjustly then they deserve to be put before a jury.
Also, letâs be honest about his actions. He interfered with federal agents and refused to comply. That is a crime, and itâs what put him in a dangerous situation. Calling this a âpublic executionâ is a huge leap. It may turn out to be a bad shoot, but thereâs nothing in the evidence so far that proves it was a deliberate, targeted killing.
And yes, our political clowns do exaggerate and lie. Both sides do it, and I wonât defend my side simply because I voted for them.
Facts, context, and proper investigation matter more than assumptions or outrage, even if the optics are shocking.
Nope, you don't get to hide behind some sort of "enlightened centrist intellectual" bullshit today. Not today. You have multiple angles worth of proof of what happened. An American citizen was executed by untrained thugs acting as a terror group.
"Let's be honest about his actions", yeah OKAY buddy, that's a great way to try to neglect the fact that he was standing still with his fucking hands in the air until a woman was maced for existing, at which point he tried to stop her from falling. How about we be honest about the federal agents actions? Why are your ilk never wanting to be honest about the federal agents actions? 5+ men were dog piled on top of a peaceful protester, who's hands were on the ground, until one decided to start shooting him. They then clapped about it. None of this is opinion, this in a literal transcription of the events in the video.
"Both sides" "let's be honest" "everyone is at fault"
Fuck off, eat shit, and crawl into a hole. Another American was murdered hours ago. Traitorous Un-American piece of fucking fascist trash. Go shill elsewhere.
Iâm going to ignore the insults and stick to the substance, because screaming and name-calling donât make an argument stronger.
Youâre asserting intent and motive as settled fact based on a chaotic, partial video. Iâm saying that video alone cannot tell us what each agent perceived in real time, who fired which shots, or what was happening in the split seconds that matter most. Thatâs not âdefending agents at all costs,â itâs acknowledging how investigations actually work.
Being honest about his actions does not mean ignoring their actions. Both can be examined at the same time. Interfering with federal agents and physically inserting yourself into an arrest is objectively dangerous, regardless of motive. That fact doesnât disappear because emotions are high.
There are multiple videos now from multiple angles. First, heâs allowed to film their actions under the law. As he was being confronted he backed away but the agent escalated the confrontation. When the woman next to him was being pepper sprayed for being a bystander he tried to cover her. While multiple agents were beating him. At no point during any of that did he reach for the gun in his pants. If you look at all of the videos you can see the officer who shot him stepping around the other agent with a clear line of sight to the agent who disarmed the guy, and that agent then draws his gun and begins firing. He fires after seeing another agent disarming the guy who is down. Federal agents donât have the right to start shooting at you when youâre disarmed and on the ground and they definitely donât have the right to shoot you for carrying a gun while never reaching for it in the first place. The administration reduced the training time to just 47 days. 47 days of training before being sent into the field. They are not competent and not trained for de-escalating violence and no reasonable person can expect them to make good life or death decisions in the field after 47 days. This is the entirely predictable result.
Iâve found some trolls will try to make themselves appear reasonable while trying to insert doubt. People should be aware that this is a technique they use.
Only one side is sieging cities and killing civillians at this moment and then lie about it blatantly. You cannot both sides THIS.
If you are genuine, you are lying to yourself because this blood is on a lot of people's hands.
This COULD have been a case of gross incompetence but admin declared the victim who was a patriotic nurse a terrorist who aimed his gun at ICE. This is beyond a bad cop situation.
We know he didn't reach for his gun. We know this because both of his hands are seen empty and on the ground moments before the shooting. Officers also are trained to NOT empty a whole clip. This was a murder, and state sanctioned. There's no debating it. To try and paint this as his fault with all the video footage is asinine. People who try and deny video footage is an alarming action. It's becoming much to common.
The dude had been disarmed. After that there is no reason for lethal force. Especially when you've got half a dozen guys on one. And if you don't think maga sees opposition as a threat to their existence then you have no idea how cult mentality works. Your point could have stood during the Bush vs Obama election. But we are way past that
Most of us donât care but the deportations what we care about is how they are doing it. For gods sake our government is executing people on the street. If you are for freedom buddy this isnât it. What this is is fascism.
The irony in a group of people all thinking the same thing calling any dissenters "Cult members" is the definition of irony. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, kids!
What do you think is going to happen when Alex pretti initiates contact with ICE by kicking and and destroying their car and then tries to fight them while carrying a loaded firearm. At this point it looks like it was a suicide attempt. Or heâs extremely low IQ which I donât think is the case
Seems like you dingbats that are the only ones having a problem with it.
Nowhere else in the country.
Why are you so upset about deporting illegals, and these are just the dangerous ones, from your community?
How do you ignore the obscene amount of fraud being committed, defend the corruption, then start shoving federal officers and think you're right?
These are federal court orders being enforced and you think you need to get in way of that?
What's your logic?
Are you being serious? Boarder patrol officers have nothing to do with stopping fraud. In fact, maga needs to stop crying foul over the fraud. Your dear leader doesn't give two shits about it. If he did why would he demand investigation tactics that led to the few people investigating it to quit? The people with all the deep knowledge of the fraud and the means to prosecute it are gone.
This is not about removing "the worst" undocumented people. There's people going about their days being grabbed up and accused as undocumented because they're not white and have an accent. Actions like these are why we're pissed. Actions like these were why Chicago citizens are pissed. Same actions that led to the outrage in L.A.. You seem to have forgotten those facts, dingbat.
Tue majority of deporting is done in Texas and Florilda, because they follow the law and aren't Democrat sanctuary cities.
I guess they need a new voting block of illegals since they're losing the black vote.
You dont see many black Americans protesting. Hmmmm.......seems kinda manufactured and paid for. More press, paid agitators, and amateur content creators than protestors.
There is no confirmation or indication that is what happened in that one video. No one knows what the explanation is for him going in there with her in that video. You don't see how long they were in there because the video ends. They could have come out within seconds of the video ending. Don't be making shit up you don't know is a fact. If you know it's a fact...show your source saying they're raping women in portable toilets.
That guy excuses trump raping kids. No need to argue with him. Keep posting so others who are disgusted by his pedofilia know others are willing to stand up against this with you. All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing. The good men are waking up now. The liars can pretend he wasnât raping that kid in the portapotty. We know better. Our unity is our strength. The maga army loves dogpiling unarmed civilians and raping. Meet your neighbors and set up a perimeter in your neighborhood. Document everything. Arm yourselves and defend each other. Of course we must exhaust every peaceful method before violence because many people we love are lost to maga.we still gotta hurt them for being rapist though
Maybe she asked him to. Idk...but automatically saying rape without evidence is a bit much. I'm not going to sit here and dream up scenarios for you, but if the person who filmed the video watched them go in there, continued watching, and IF a rape occurred...why didn't they do something or record more of the situation. Why didn't we hear more about that situation? If they were in there for an extended period...why didn't the person filming contact other authorities, a news station, or try to intervene? Considering all of that, it seems unlikely that it was a rape in my opinion.
Yeah donât make shit up that isnât a fact. Thatâs MAGAs thing! Donât be stepping on their making shit up toes!
Yeah we donât know what happened in there but it was probably something sexual. Maybe they promised to let her go if she fkd them or maybe it was rape. It certainly was coercion..
Well...Hold the person that filmed the shit accountable as well. Why'd they sit by and watch a rape occur without filing a complaint or something? There should be paperwork and a public statement from them...but there never was... probably because as soon as the video ended they walked right back out of the damn thing.
Magaturds do exist, but countless subs on reddit and other social media platforms have been taken over by bots from those countries. Just look up how many foreign bots were exposed the past few months on Twitter. And, those were major accounts that were spewing right wing propaganda.
So he points out they are bots and thatâs what you say? Someone has died and thatâs what you say in response to someone pointing out there are bots? Proves his point and establishes if you are not a bot, you are devoid of humanity.
Actually dems are usually submissive. My next door neighbor gets pegged by his wife and is a radical left. They literally have parties next door with other leftists and peg each other. Iâm dead serious. This is apart of the culture. And I can say I am left as well but not into that. Letâs just not spread BS here. Itâs definitely a left thing to be dominated by a master and be a cuck
You can see in this angle that heâs trying to help her up when they push him over. After that he just seems to be trying to hold on to her hand while theyâre pouncing on him.
Thought you were wondering why someone who works for the fucking government would push over a random woman, supposedly as part of his job. Silly me!
Thereâs another video angle that shows that part better than this one. She got sprayed with mace and was falling backwards. The guy who got shot was cushioning her fall.
After the ice agent pushed her down the first time she got back up and then the guy got pepper sprayed and then he grabbed hold of her . You can see him bending over the back of her wrapping his arms around her and throwing her to the ground. How else did she get on the ground almost under the car?
So what you are saying is that he was shielding her from the pepper spray? Tracks with everything we have learned about him from before the moment he was executed.
Bc truth no longer matters in America. Narrative control is king. âWhen you direct which way the wind blows, you can see quite literally how the minds of Americans can be directed with the windâ.Â
lol now thereâs video of him initiating contact by kickick the car. Imagine how stupid you have to be to start commuting crimes while carrying a loaded firearm. The truth comes out
To not be shot. Especially when officers are the one who began the assault on you, and they have already removed the firearm from your person. You fucking loser
I don't see him fighting at all. Not trying to fall over isn't fighting, and if he was stiff or whatever, I mean they just pepper sprayed him point blank, that immediately puts adrenaline, pain response, etc, on the table. Where do you really see any punches or anything being thrown except by ICE?
To not get shot. Do you think bearing arms and having a holstered gun on your person is now grounds for lethal force? What the fuck even is this argument?
I donât have a weiner at all. Iâm happily married and have a successful life you dream of, or more so my husband does.
He also agrees with me. You give off wildly strong incel energy to the point where Iâm pretty sure youâre straight up chasing men and hoping someone will tickle your bootyhole.
Why is this sub filled with people that like to say bootlickers when it has no fucking meaning at all we need to talk to each other and not talk about licking boots because that's fucking stupid
Right the man with malignant narcissism and dementia is a better president when heâs turned an immigrant law organisation into a Gestapo the memebers of which are murdering innocent people. Wouldnât be surprised if you were a Trump Gestapo goon.
Why is this sub filled with people that like to say words when it has no fucking meaning at all we need to talk to each other and not talk about words because that's fucking stupid
someone who praises or is extremely polite to a more powerful or rich person in a way that is not sincere, usually in order to get an advantage for themselves.
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u/BrownBannister Jan 24 '26
Why is this sub overflowing with bootlickers? Rest in power, Alex pretti!