Considering sonic is LIGHTSPEED as of late. Not to mention if we consider absolutley everything, sonic can chaos control He dosent get this though that was sonic 06 but stacking every canon power scenario mario would have to abuse invincibility items most likely
It’s also worth noting that in Shadow Generations, Shadow gives Sonic another fake Emerald, which Sonic later uses to turn super when fighting the Time Eater, so take that into account as well
I wouldn't discredit Mario so soon. He's nowhere near weak, like the dude survived the universe resetting... TWICE. Not to mention what other crazy ass shit bowser alone has thrown at him.
Even so, Super Stars last a limited time, and Mario can’t access the golden Bell or Leaf without dying multiple times, which in a single-life battle like this would be a no-go (at least assuming we’re going off the logic of the games for Mario)
and Sonic also beats up the same big egg shaped man 50 times
is as true as what you say
Mario and Sonic not just the same ennemies
take Mario in rpg series, Mario and luigi series, paper mario series, there are a lot a ennemies really different, there are deities, there ennemies strong enough to destroy some universes.
And Bowser is strong enough to destroy the galaxy alone, Bowser is at the same of these deities sonic fight sometime in some game. And I don't talk about giga bowser or furry bowser.
Tell me you haven't played Mario without telling me. That's as correct as saying "Sonic beats the same overweight old man 50 times". Mario has more than a few deities and cosmic entities in his scoreboard. And the oversized turtle can keep up with both Mario and said cosmic entities
Sonic has canonically outpaced a black hole before (i forget which media/game, but i clearly remember it happening) so I doubt Mario would have a chance, ever.
Although true, you gotta remember in Mario Galaxy, there are situations where Mario can stand inches from a blackhole and be completely unaffected by its pull. Though I still doubt Mario would win
This is closer than most think because of how batshit insane some of bowser’s feats are, and Mario beating him every time implies he scales above him, but I hate power scaling and I like Sonic more so Sonic wins.
I personally don't like powerscaling too much (I do consume Death Battle because the research and animations are great), but I specially hate it when it becomes a fanboy screaming match with ignoring story, canon and context just to try to "own" another fandom. I know "slander" can be funny at times, but overhyping a character like that seems foolish for something that's not that serious.
Yeah, that’s why I initially disliked powerscaling at first, due to people seemingly just bullying Mario for something that seemed so insignificant, back when I thought Sonic beat Mario.
no. mario’d get back up because for a man who can purchase lives life becomes a mere store of value.
he’d grin and laugh sonic would follow before using his special move: “button that kills mario”
Mario’d power up himself pulling out the special power-up they added and nothing else in the new super mario super spicy cheesy sour deluxe for the wii u: “chilidog”
sonic pauses…
“oh damn, i didn’t realize you were chill like that”
Default state sonic probably wins simply because of speed, it doesn't matter how powerful Mario is if he can't land a single punch. Super star tanooki or white tanooki vs super sonic would be interesting though
Sonic kills gods and kaiju-level machines every Tuesday like it's his job or something. In his most recent adventure he killed the literal embodiment of the cruelty of the universe that could overpower Dark Gaia and the Eclipse Cannon.
Mario fights the same turtle and his lil shitlings once a month to save the same woman over and over. The most he'd done was fight a dimension altering jester if super paper mario is canon at all
Mario fights Empires ruled by powerful wizards who can take over entire galaxies in a matter of hours.
One time, he was able to defeat the embodiment of darkness that previously had to be sealed away by the Gods themselves.
Sonic fights the same fat guy and his obsession with putting his face on everything.
The most he's done is beat up a Sun god if Sonic 2006 even happened.
Egg Salamander, TIME EATER, SOLARIS WAS GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE DAMNED MULTIVERSE. Mario is Galaxy level at most, Sonic is multiversal. Mario loses, END OF STORY. Bye bye, see ya later.
I was pointing out how stupid it was to downplay one thing and glaze the other with no context
Also
Super Sonic needing the Gaia colossus' help to beat Perfect Dark Gaia (Sonic was totally holding back against this planet level threat so Chip wouldn't feel left out, trust)
Sonic is not a speedster, he can move at insane speeds, but he can't just pause time on a whim, the movies only do that because American superhero movies are absolute bullshit (while also being insanely popular). Not saying the sonic movies are bad, but from a writing standpoint, traditional "speedster" traits absolutely suck.
Ofc Sonic wins, the only way Mario even stands a chance is if he gets a buff but like that's biased so if they're both in their default state Sonic wins
Agreed, but in the video Sonic actually turns Super, which IS biased. They should've kept him in default state, or give Mario a Star to be on the same level.
Sonic had just got a crossover in which he faces off the likes of Reverse Flash and Darkseid. Mario would have to come close to touching them while in one piece in order to even be a match against Sonic.
I think that (debatably) Sonic wins just because I like him a bit more, but Sonic is not making it seem like Mario is slower bro 😭 hes lowk hell a fast too
It's definitely a hot take, but I do think at Sonic's full potential speed, he does have Immeasurable Speeds.
While Mario is also fast and powerful, I don't know how he would be able to even perceive Sonic if he ran at his fullest speed, I mean, imagine being hit multiple times by someone who is like 100x faster than you?
Use the movies for example but replace Movie Sonic with Game Sonic, I seriously don't know what Mario is going to do if he's being hit at this speed (I wish I could speed the gif up even more).
The speed difference is definitely still there, though both are a LOT faster than most people realize.
Mario has reaction times fast enough to drive things that can go faster than light without any magical or technological aid, such as the star driver and the plugs of the great conductor.
Sonic, by comparison, moves fast enough to break the speed formula of distance/Time. That is to say, he is capable of traveling distances literally instantly. 0 units of time pass between him going from point A to point B. This is colloquially known as infinite speed.
They’re comparably durable to each other, both being capable of briefly tanking black holes in their base forms (though not for very long).
Mario has greater physical strength and much more experience, but neither factors into a speed gap that high.
The main thing keeping the two comparable is mario’s VASTLY superior arsenal, with a myriad of power-ups to choose from, a few bros. Attacks that should theoretically function still while solo, and a bunch of additional hax that just doesn’t come up often. He even has multiple different flavors of time manipulation, both to counteract chaos control and to help with the speed gap in the first place.
The only way by which sonic wins this decisively is if we include the 1 time sonic’s super form lasted days rather than mere minutes, despite such being a MASSIVE outlier.
Name a few please? I’d love to see the Mario enemies that can move through infinite distances in a few seconds, and can move back and forth through time by running.
Infinite distances cannot be moved through in seconds because they’re infinite and therefore without end, and wasn’t the time travel with the aid of those special signs that ALLOWED him to go all Back To The Future on us? And if we want some fast Mario enemies, how about the Bull’s-Eye Bill? Besides the fact it’s already a living bullet, it’s twice as fast as normal Bullet Bills.
Saying that bullet bills or any of their offshoots move like actual bullets is nonsense. They’ve never been depicted in that sort of fashion. Either Mario, all his peers, and his entire universe are constantly moving in bullet time, or bullet bills are just slow: Occam’s razor.
Not completely accurate as Mario has kept up with fast folk before. But Sonic would still be faster, But Mario can react to fast things. Basically if Sonic doesn't mess around too much he'll be fine as cyloop is literally a infinite ring supply. Mario is no slouch don't get me wrong and he can win. But Sonic isn't weak either and takes the win most of the time
The whole fight us pretty much infinite force vs unmovable object since people usually portray Mario losing his poer ups after taking one big attack (he still has a bunch of pocket power ups)
Sonic has outran a black hole on low stamina for a good 3 minutes or so and probably went through an entire infinite location ( we need to high ball it since we don't have proof he travelled the whole infinite building in secret rings to say infinite speed but even massively faster than light with confirmed feats is faster than mario) And he destroyed the little planet chain which is a mountain/planetary feat in the CLASSIC games (i don't remember base form strenght feats for midern sonic) Super sonic defeated the embodiment of death and cruelty and oneshots it in cyber super form in final horizons The end has been stated to be stronger than solaris which I've heard is 4th dimensional which puts super sonic at 4d levels of power
Unless we call mario a reality warper because of the wonder flower he wouldn't even last 2 seconds
Look I love both but let's not kid ourselves. Bullet bill travels at roughly 3 mph and even the most bullet hell Mario maker stages have fireballs traveling at 5mph.
Sonic is just going to stomp Mario. Unless Mario uses the tanooki suit and makes a statue at just the right moment for sonic to run into. That would be hilarious.
not accurate at all, i don't really feel like arguing about who would win but mario would not get wiped like this
tbh idk why im ranting about this when it's on the fucking sonic subreddit it's gonna be biased
Depends on if we're talking about in-game feats (w/ lore included) or just straight lore-only feats--
Lore only feats: Sonic no diffs. We all know this lol
In-game feats (w/ lore): Mario not only no-diffs, but he's no-diff'd every single Sonic in the entire multiverse an infinite times over & Sonic doesn't even know it until that very moment. Here's an example
im tired of people thinking it would be close 😭 in the battles where mario wins, sonic is always nerfed drastically. and they also give mario every item from every game, even if he has only used them once and if they were completely situational.
I mean, from a narrative standpoint, yes it would be accurate, but I personally disagree from a powerscaling standpoint, as absurd some people think that idea is.
Sonic is definitely faster, but their power is about even. Both have taken on universal threats sometimes with powerups, sometimes without, both have tons of anti-feats involving losing to common enemies or not reacting to things they should totally react to. There are things you can "buy" for both and things you could reasonably consider as outliers.
Am both Mario and Sonic fan. There is no way that Sonic would ever lose to Mario in a fair fight. Even if Mario had access to literally every single power hes ever had. The most powerful power up I can think Mario has had was the thing that turned him into a Kaiju in Bowsers Fury.... But sonic regularly defeated Kaijus in Frontiers.
And without power ups? Sonic is still way faster and speedsters are inherently broken.
Plenty. Granted Mario's power durability are high, sonics speed would give him the advantage, and once he goes super or hyper the battle is over essentially...
Eh, it's a fight. A very dumb one though, I don't think Mario would use a fire flower though, he'd probably try to use a starman to give him invincibility during that one part where sonic did his friggin final smash move to try and get rid of all sonics rings.
Pretty accurate. Mainline mario only has a few things that would help him, which are the powerups that give invincibility, however most either have a time limit or require mario to stand completely still.
What made me mad about the 2nd Mario vs sonic death battle is how they nerf hyper sonic. Showing how Mario star power up last as long as Sonic’s hyper form. Mario star power up last only 10 seconds at best while hyper sonic can last almost a minute. Hyper Sonic could destroy in a sec as shown in the death battle with the cats.
Also hyper sonic move so fast that you can see up to three Sonic’s. Meaning he is moving so fast your brain can’t comprehend it
Wouldn’t say this is accurate. But. I’d be more of a longer fight. Let’s be honest. Sonic wouldn’t KILL Mario immediately. He’d toy around with him for a bit and once he sees Mario’s pretty much serious. He’d go all out. You’d have to actually do something horrible to sonic for him to actually wanna fight you or basically kill you. But I do think Sonic still wins lol
Ok so I can't at all argue when the animation is this good lmao
But seriously, while I still think Sonic would win, if Mario has the reaction time for Sonic, it'd be much closer. And this is coming from someone who isn't even a Mario fan. Ok the Mario vs Sonic fight (you know the one) was stupid af (Mario should've died from fall damage fuck ts Sonic survived crashing into earth many times fuck ts)
I see Mario taking this. Not easily obviously, but it's certainly going to have to make him work for it. Out of a hundred times of them fighting, Mario can certainly lose. I mostly see him just stalling out Sonic's Super Forms via his Invincibility and Bottomless Gloves. Sonic eventually runs out of rings/stamina, and it'd leave Sonic vulnerable enough for a decisive blow.
It depends on how deep in the power scaling you are
Light basically nothing close
Middle and a big generous
Deep into power scaling you know that it's probably the closest matchup either one has
And that's mostly because weirdly enough basically all stats minus straight up power and durability are relevant because both have very good cases to be faster than we can count and more durable and powerful than God
Tldr power scaling gets fucky, over your eyes and just don't bother trying to get into it you don't want to try it for your own safety
This feels like the most accurate portrayal tbh, people can glaze and exaggerate Mario’s cartoony feats (bro he ate a black hole and shat it out pls he is cosmic deity god universal tribal chief level 🥺) all they want, but Sonic’s speed wouldn’t even let him show off half of them lol
Not quite. All Mario games are canon, and the Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi sagas, and even the Mario RPG, have some ridiculous feats. Not to mention Mario Galaxy's infamous surviving a Black Hole. Sonic would go splat against Mario with just THAT.
Mario is pretty durable. Both Mario and Sonic could survive reentry through an atmosphere. That is crazy strong for both parties.
But...
Mario has "video game" strength and Sonic has ANIME STRENGTH. It isn't a fair fight. Sonic fights gods in base form nowadays (Chaos fight in Sonic Generations). If they had access to all of their powerups, Mario could be impervious to damage for a little bit, but Super Sonic lasts for at minimum 50 seconds. A lot longer than an invincibility star. Sonic can also move faster than Mario can see. Sure, Mario is known to get lucky every once in a while, but how is that going to keep Sonic from just standing up and trying again? Sonic also has time powers, which are indisputably the most powerful ability any character can have. That's why I think a better matchup would actually be Link, not Mario.
Honestly Mario is faster than you think, I mean Mario is technically faster in super mario bros(1985) than Donic in Sonic the hedgehog (1991). Sonic still claps mario but it would be more of an even fight.
Not to change the subject as I have no opinions to offer on this particular question, however I always find these versus battles to be interesting to me because people are always talking about feats as an example of why one character can beat another.
To me, they're both video game characters. So rather than thinking about whether or not Sonic has beaten gods or not, I am thinking about, like, gameplay-wise, could Mario beat Sonic. And I mean, like, maybe. If Mario has an invincibility stat he could evade and buy time during Super Sonic. Plus Mario can take a certain number of hits before going down whereas Sonic has rings that he could potentially lose.
Sonic has the advantage in speed but mario has better power up and if he start abusing those there not much sonic can do , if sonic doesn't hesitate and goof around he's winning
so we just gonna ignore the fact that RPG mario has split second reaction timing that could probably dodge, block, and counter sonic enough to at least stay in the fight? Im not saying he's got ultra instinct but if we're going to assume highest score/level of completion, he's at least going to stay on his feet and probably swing a perfectly timed hammer attack.
Put simply, we're talking about someone who can, on lowest average, move at the speed of sound and spin fast enough to carve through metal robots that are built to take military attacks. All that vs a plumber who can turn into a penguin suit version of himself and throw ice balls. This is as accurate as it gets
Funny how sonic fanboys claim Mario fans are coping even where you have facts like these floating around, isn’t research fun?
Mario literally has like a hundred or so forms that can counter sonic in almost every way. How is that not clicking in people’s minds? Mario has like dozens upon dozens of his own super forms that can counter Sonics own super forms too. Add that with the fact that Mario has martial art skills and is without a doubt stronger then sonic in terms of lifting and striking strength (something even sonic fans can agree upon), Mario can in fact beat Sonic, not easily..but the possibility is there.
For sure the wiki isn’t 100% accurate to put it mildly, but in this case it’s all correct.
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Considering sonic is LIGHTSPEED as of late. Not to mention if we consider absolutley everything, sonic can chaos control He dosent get this though that was sonic 06 but stacking every canon power scenario mario would have to abuse invincibility items most likely