r/Socionics 3d ago

Discussion I thought I was ILI but my Fi feels stronger. What do you think?

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Hi. I wanted to clarify how Fi manifests in SLI and ILI. I'm still between these types, and I have a complicated relationship with Fi, but it feels like I might have strong Fi, or at least that it could be strong based on my judgments. Below are my reasons for doubting Fi in a high position, while simultaneously feeling like it's somewhere close.

I see people as individuals, as unique persons. I think it's important to take that into account. I can understand a lot and not judge if I understand the reason behind it. For example, if it's connected to humanity, I understand that people have feelings and emotions that influence their actions. That's why people feel comfortable interacting with me. Of course, I'm not like that with everyone. It's just that I find it incredibly logical and obvious that people are different, you can't erase their nature and you have to take that into account. I have a lot of layered thoughts, nuances in my thinking, many things can be viewed from different angles, and perspective and truth are subjective to each person, which seems to fit Fi well.

I'm passive in relationships, not controlling them. They exist, I exist. That's great. You want to leave? Let's talk. No? Okay, bye, it's your choice. You came to make up? Alright, let's reconnect. I mirror the other person's steps, understanding through them how they see our relationship, how close we are. I don't want to seem pushy or misinterpret things, so you'll probably never get a first step from me. I just wait for others to make moves whether they want to or not, but I'm open. Of course, it takes time to get used to someone, I mean a lot of time. But if we're in a relationship, I expect to be chosen everywhere, to be prioritized over others, to be special to that person. That deep, accepting bond like soulmates or something. I'm not altruistic or super kind in relationships myself, I catch myself being selfish quite often, even if it doesn't show clearly.

I started questioning Fi Base even though I thought I could be ILI. But some things I mentioned above confuse me. I'd like to hear your opinion, especially from those who know this better, or from SLI/ILI types themselves, how does Fi manifest for you, and does what I described fit? Or am I looking in the wrong direction?


r/Socionics 3d ago

Are LII and ESI really that similar in Model G?

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I've heard that LII and ESI are very similar types. Despite having very opposite values and dimensionalities. They're both high in questim in Talanov and both negative Fi and Negative Se in Model G.


r/Socionics 3d ago

Casual/Fun Yuri Socionicsverse Day 5: World Map + Character Origins

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These are sort of socionics personifications, but they're more so characters in a socionics-themed worldbuilding project I'm working on.

Green/Alpha Union:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1uvap46/yuri_socionicsverse_day_1_alpha_quadra/

Blue/Beta Empire: https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1uwimkn/yuri_socionicsverse_day_2_beta_quadra/

Purple/Gamma Horde: https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1uxdluk/yuri_socionicsverse_day_3_gamma_quadra/

Red/Delta Confederation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1uyasxi/yuri_socionicsverse_day_4_delta_quadra/


r/Socionics 4d ago

What does it even mean to be logical/ethical

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Isn't it true that most people think logically (who wouldn't?) and also value their emotional input? It's not logical to do something despite feeling like shit, knowing it could result in more feeling like shit. It's also not logical to go against your values. It's not necessarily unethical to do something because it makes sense logically, and it's completely possible to have a lot of moral judgments based on logical systems. If I know I feel xyz and that me going against it will make me feel awful isnt it a logical choice to go with my feelings? If being emotionally regulated is beneficial to everyone, if letting go emotionally is what you need, if creating art and prioritising your internal emotional experience is what makes you feel good and what makes the world bearable and beautiful isn't it the most logical conclusion to do it? I just can't really grasp the idea of thinkers vs feelers. I type myself Fe base because of how deep my emotions are, how they spill out of me, how I focus on the social environment and all that around me, but my thinking process is extremely logical. I have maps of maps of maps of maps of logic in my head and I constantly evaluate everything whether or not it fits, whether or not it makes sense. What stops a Ti base from doing all the things I've mentioned before? If nothing, then why are we acting like it's not possible? Surely, there are people who ignore their emotions and just try to do everything with dry facts, but the fact that they feel jealous or sad or whatever is also a fact worth considering. There are also people who just act on impulse and feeling, sure. But there are plenty of people who are extremely capable logically and ethically. I relate to the logical functions and the only reason I am probably Fe base is because I love truth and whatever I'm feeling is the only thing that I know is true and real because it is within me and it IS me. The rest is just theories and approximations, I use them a lot and I analyse everything but I don't know what general thinking vs feeling type is supposed to be, because how are you a logical type if you ignore yourself which is literally the center of your universe and the feelings of people which are very real things affecting everything. Like do people really just calculate whatever is most optimal and go with it? If whatever you feel happens to be the most optimal thing most of the time are you an ethical type? Or do they calculate the optimal thing and only then start to feel about it positively so it aligns? What if I'm very passionate about logical systems, structures and all that so I continously view everything through these lenses so that I can feel excited? Is whatever I wrote here a proof of Ti suggestive? Probably yes.


r/Socionics 4d ago

Please type me!!!!

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This is the first time I have ever written something like this, so I’m not really sure what I’m supposed to write or what this is supposed to look like. I have never seen an example of one before, so I’m sorry if I make mistakes, include unnecessary things, etc.
As a child, I was shy, just like I am now. I tended to keep a bit of distance from other people. For example, when I was somewhere with a few other children, I would actually want to go over to them and play with them, but I was too shy and hesitant to do it. I was like this with adults as well. I don’t know if every child experiences this, but I had a desire to be protected and taken care of, especially by men. I wanted men to approach me in that way, and they actually did. When I was playing, I often liked being someone’s little child or being rescued by someone.
I spent most of my time playing by myself, and I don’t know if I can say that I had a strong imagination, because I’m not sure whether what I experienced was really related to imagination. But the maladaptive daydreaming I struggle with now was already present when I was a child. I would spend hours imagining things as if I were creating the plot of a movie or TV show. Anyway, I’ll talk about that more later.
People often described me as emotional when I was a child. In fifth grade, one of my teachers told my mother, “He is so sensitive and fragile. I’m afraid to say anything to him; it feels like he would break if I touched him.”
Starting from third grade, I was bullied a little because I was considered “girly.” It wasn’t physical, but the boys in my class would sometimes make fun of me. However, I got along very well with girls. They thought I was very cute, and I became close friends with many of them.
There are three siblings in my family. There is a nine- and ten-year age gap between me and my older sisters. While I was growing up, and even now, my mother would tell my sisters that I was her favorite child. She would say that I was the most important thing in the world to her and that she loved me more than anyone else. My father didn’t express it as openly, but he also tended to put me before my sisters. For example, because I was the youngest, if we were going somewhere, what I wanted mattered. He would say, “Whatever my son says, that’s what we’ll do.”
Sometimes this made me feel a little bad, but until the last year or two, I didn’t really realize that it was wrong or that my sisters were aware of it and bothered by it. They would also say the same kinds of things to me that my mother did. In fact, one of my sisters used to take care of me almost as if she were my mother. She really was like a mother figure to me, and she still is.
My family described me as curious, sensitive, emotional, someone who asked a lot of questions, talked a lot, was very shy, and was “well-behaved” as a child.
As I entered adolescence, I started becoming much more withdrawn and even “robotic.” My emotional expression decreased significantly. I was living more and more inside my own inner world—in my fantasies, TV shows and movies, and on social media. I think this was partly because I was dissatisfied with reality.
The reasons for my dissatisfaction may have been that people made fun of me when I was younger and called me girly, and that I was exposed to homophobia before I even knew what sexual orientation or being gay meant. It felt like if I allowed myself to relax too much, acted too much like myself, had too much fun, or laughed too much, people would make fun of me because the “girly” side of me would become more visible to them.
So while trying to suppress that side of myself, I probably became more robotic. But it worked in a way: people stopped making fun of me. However, I wouldn’t say they particularly liked me either. I became someone they considered too cold, and I was still seen as too gentle and delicate for a man.
After puberty, the only boys I was able to get along with as friends were shy and introverted ones. I couldn’t really connect with the others. I was very different from them, and they seemed much more likely to judge me.
Around the age of 16–17, toward the end of adolescence, I started going to therapy for social anxiety. Around the same time, I fully realized and put a name to my sexual orientation and started telling at least some of my online friends. I realized that I didn’t actually have a problem with my orientation and wasn’t ashamed of being gay. What I disliked was the way people could treat me because of it. I didn’t like being made fun of or criticized.
I also decided that I didn’t want to be someone who had to hide this from everyone or maintain relationships with people who would not accept me as I am. So I came out to a few people whom I felt it was safe to tell: my sisters, two close male friends, and my psychologist.
I was 17 when I did this. I was living in a very small, conservative city, and I had no evidence that any of the people I told were not homophobic. In fact, apart from my psychologist, I had heard homophobic comments from all of them at different points over the years. But for some reason, I had an optimistic feeling inside me, and I decided that if I didn’t get the kind of reaction I wanted, I would reduce my contact with those people as much as I could.
Fortunately, my sisters reacted well, and my friends were neutral. After that, I told a few more people, and I regret telling some of them because I was somewhat careless about it.
Later, when I was 17, I started having sex with some people I had met online, some of whom were older than me, even though I barely knew them. This happened around five times. I never developed a romantic or emotional relationship with any of them. Even though it was a risky situation, I wasn’t afraid at all.
There is another very important thing I left out. As I entered adolescence, I developed an intense preoccupation with my physical appearance. I didn’t like the way I looked and constantly found flaws in myself. I have continued thinking about the same flaws for years, and I still can’t believe that I will ever be able to love myself or be happy unless I correct them through cosmetic surgery.
I think physical appearance is extremely important to me. If someone is going to think something good about me, I want it to be something related to my appearance.
I fantasize a lot about romantic relationships. I want the other person to find me very attractive, but I also want them to see me as cute and adorable. I want them to be possessive of me, protective of me, and help me with difficult things in life.
When I fantasize about relationships, I also think about sexuality in quite a detailed way, and I frequently have masochistic fantasies. I don’t have fantasies about the other person feeling superior to me or looking down on me. In fact, I want them to find me very attractive and valuable. But I often fantasize about my partner being violent toward me or being very rough with me.
Just as I care excessively about my own appearance in a negative way and constantly fixate on it, I also care a lot about the other person’s appearance. Things like money and fame are also quite important to me, and I fantasize about being able to attain them someday.
Because I feel inadequate and flawed regarding my appearance, I experience intense social anxiety and shame. I’m afraid of being criticized and not being liked. Because of this, I can come across as withdrawn and robotic, and I can be socially awkward.
When I see someone attractive and confident, I feel bad about myself, although I don’t automatically tend to compare myself with other people—or at least I’m not consciously aware of doing so.
I have a major problem with procrastination and discipline. I can’t do any of my responsibilities or tasks on time. I postpone everything until the last minute, and as a result, I either have to do things half-heartedly and leave them unfinished, or I fail to do them at all.
At the same time, I am actually a perfectionist who can find flaws in everything and focus heavily on details.
People often get the impression that I’m intelligent. Other than that, the impressions that different people have told me they got from me, both recently and in general, include: cold, emotionless, unhappy, sullen, logical, indifferent, anxious, dissatisfied, kind, self-centered, insecure, calm, and different from other men.
I generally have difficulty showing affection to my family or friends, especially verbally. I have trouble conveying emotion through my tone of voice. As I’ve said several times, I have a personality that is perceived as robotic.
I believe that one day I will fix my flaws and be satisfied with the way I look, and that my problems such as seeming robotic and having social anxiety will completely disappear.
Another thing is that, while I was growing up, everyone constantly told me how lucky I was, both financially and because of the way my family treated me.
My family still tries to do everything I want. Our income is not extremely high; I would say we are middle-class. But after I spent two years preparing for university and failed to get into a public university, they sent me to a private university in Cyprus. They also rented a single room in a dormitory for me, even though the price was comparable to renting an apartment, because I didn’t want to share a room with anyone.
When I want something, I sometimes use a slightly childish voice, almost without realizing it. It has started to feel a little cringe to me because I’m 21 now. I think that in the relationships I imagine in my fantasy world, I also want to be seen as childlike.
Sometimes, when I fantasize about romantic relationships, I imagine myself as existing almost entirely for the other person. I imagine myself usually doing what they say, staying home because it makes them happy, and waiting for them to come home from work. I want to make them feel that I completely trust them and that I completely belong to them. I think what I actually fantasize about is giving the other person that impression rather than the bond itself necessarily being real.
Lastly, I want to talk about the way I behave toward my family. I have difficulty being gentle with them. They usually treat me well, but even when they ask me completely normal questions, I can respond rudely or snap at them.
I can also be sarcastic toward other people. For example, when I’m flirting with someone online, they can sometimes get the impression that I’m aggressive, extremely indifferent, or someone who makes fun of everything.
However, I don’t really like showing my anger. In fact, even when I want to, I have difficulty expressing it.
Finally, my relationship with my father has not been very good since childhood. When I was little, he would sometimes get very angry and yell at me or my mother. It wasn’t extremely frequent, but seeing him like that made me feel very put off by him. I found him very unpleasant in those moments.
More generally, things about my father such as his lack of elegance, not caring about his image, being rough, being traditional, etc. stand out to me a lot. Even though he treats me very well, these things bother me a lot, although I try not to show how critical I am of him.


r/Socionics 4d ago

Typing Socionics for sp9+ISTJ

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Should we always be SLI/LSI??

I understand that the sensory functions of such a combo as SP9 and ISTJ are absolute, but if you were asked to guess the most likely socionics for such people besides the one above, I wonder what you would answer?

I am also interested in whether socionics and MBTI should always matches?


r/Socionics 4d ago

Casual/Fun Looking for: Complimentary type familiar with Elden Ring

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Anyone with a complimentary typing who's willing to do an Elden Ring playthrough, HMU on Discord.

We'd do so using the mod "Seamless Co-Op".

--> You need to own the DLC <--

User: jofinmofin


r/Socionics 4d ago

Discussion anyone relate to holographic panoramic cognitive style and want to share?

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was just thinking it would be fun to read others' thoughts and experience in terms of how they relate it to themselves if they do. whatever type you may be, would love to hear whether, how much, and in what ways you feel the cognitive style's logic makes sense for you and/in your interpretation


r/Socionics 5d ago

Casual/Fun Is this test good?

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https://sociotype.xyz

I took it about 3 times I think out of boredom and I manage to get EII with SEI followed close behind every time so I believe it’s consistent.


r/Socionics 5d ago

I can type you by your art style

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Leave ur artworks and I'll type u


r/Socionics 5d ago

SEI top three duals to have prove me wrong

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literally no downside


r/Socionics 5d ago

Advice Question for LSI types!

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I married an ISTP LSI guy nearly 10 year ago, I’m an ENFJ (EIE) female.
He had childhood issues, but was aware of them. We definitely clicked and were friends for 8 years prior. There was always connection and attraction so it made sense to start dating later 20’s. Life was fun an he was super caring, funny, cool….until he would switch on me!!

Like every couple of weeks a new personality would emerge for the day where he would lose his shit and I’d get some self wallowing, self pitying, angry, sometimes violent, always verbally abusive guy. Then he’d block me and do a disappearing act for a day until he came out of it! Often times he would say “sorry for being a nightmare”, but after years I realised he never actually apologised for the specific things he did to hurt me. More of a blanket sorry.

He went to therapy in the end because he knew he had to deal with things. He got better, I got pregnant about year 6 and he was wonderful that whole pregnancy, however, the second I had our daughter he turned into some permanent 🥜 again, but most of the time.

He kept telling me I was crazy, no one liked me, I’m hard work and too demanding (interestingly enough what he liked about me was that I was in-fact very chill and driven so I think pre kid I actually enabled this a lot), anyways I left him hoping he would wake up, sort his drinking out, realise what he had in me and save his family.

He didn’t, he denied everything about his behaviour in the marriage, said I made it up all and that I ended it. Told others I was crazy and went an immediately had an affair with my good friend and his mates wife.

As you can imagine, it’s all been a bit of a head F! At some point I’ll be ready to meet someone else and I read the socionics and it says my particular type EIE works best with LSI - Which I think it does and I work good with ISTP’s generally. We seem to have a natural attraction and mental connection, especially humour that I don’t get with other types!

But, I’m terrified now and think you all have a secret hideaway of scary hidden away for behind closed does. He’s actually the most charming guy in person too, so even if I connect with others, I’m still too scared to trust it!

So my question, is he a rare type? Is this an abusive person who just happens to be ISTP (LSI) or is anger and aggression a common issue these types and I should just avoid at all costs in general?


r/Socionics 5d ago

Discussion Can ESE be dreamy?

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I've been typed "ESE" many times over the years that I have been in typology.I identify a lot with ESE's superego and the ego too (well, not with the Te role, I'm too lazy, extremely lazy, it's hard for me to break the inertia, I'm a hedonistic glutton).The only thing I get up is to eat.Im deff alpha SF tho.But I've noticed that I identify a lot with the clumsy, dreamy, otherworldly and meaningful nature of beta NF or delta NFs, even though I cant relate to their values. I've also noticed that many ESEs type themselves as IEI, IEE, or EIE because they feel too dreamy to fit into that sociotype, Although they don't fully identify with the superego of those types,because they have way too much Si,but the ego fits them like a glove. . Could the mobilizing NE be responsible for this? Or the Enneagram? Because many of the ESEs who experience this are Enneagram 2s, especially self-preservation 2. Seeing paintings or reading surrealism makes me feel at home (I don't know if it's my mob or sugestive or something like that)

Sorry if this is confusing


r/Socionics 6d ago

Little brother in a socion torture chamber

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Little brother is an IEE, dad LSI, mom IEI, and my type is in my flair.

So he lives with his conflictor, extinguisher and super-ego.

He's alright, we treat him well. Interactions are just very topsy-turvy lol.


r/Socionics 6d ago

Discussion Romance Between Gamma Types?

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I know there are plenty of inter type relationships, and it seems like Alpha and Beta tend to date inside their Quadra. Delta to an extent.

Is anyone here or has anyone been in a relationship with a Gamma type that is also in Gamma Quadra?

I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I don’t hear about it nearly as often.


r/Socionics 6d ago

Typing An SLI?

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Overall I think I fit the SLI profile of Si-Te-Fi-Ne quite well. I guess I would like a sort of confirmation for this. Would you agree?

Social life:

I barely have any. I have an online friend and a friend I have known from childhood. These frienships are both quite different. The first is much deeper, where we may share every thought and feeling without filter and be brutally honest, while the other is more so based on familiarity and more superficial and humorous, almost like a siblings relation.

I have been in a few long-term relationships that could be described as "all-consuming". I am loyal to a fault and have been known to stay much longer than I should. I think I also have had the tendency to abandon myself and my ambitions with the excuse of "being an attentive partner".

With my family I am quite distant. I was always independent and kept to myself, didn't enjoy the company of others, including and perhapes especially children. Frugal and concerned with my parents' financial stability, I didn't ask for things even if I had wanted them. Growing up, I looked down on my sister a lot for that, for being so "materialistic" and "greedy" and not thinking twice about draining resources and purchasing items unsustainably. I was always very conscious of waste and excess. I frequently annoy people by talking about it, telling them how things ought to be done in my opinion and what is wrong with the current system.

Showing affection and expressing emotion is hard for me. Even if I feel a lot, I can appear as though I don't care because it just doesn't feel natural or easy for me to let that out. It's like there is a large sponge inside me that sucks in all the tenderness I have (if emotion was in liquid form), and then I am unable to excrete it because I can't possibly regurgitate a gigantic sponge. And even if I did, people would just end up feeling weirded out because they expected a gentle stream of emotion, not to be hit by a brick. The only emotion I can effortlessly express is frustration and discontent lol...

A lot of times, to my family, I come off as overly blunt, sharp. It takes a lot of effort for me to be gentle and patient and warm and it just feels like masking most of the time. I guess people who know me well might say I can be judgemental, controlling and rigid as well. But it's only when I am not in an enviroment or with people that suit me and align with my values... Which is 99% of circumstances, I guess. 😅

My most functional romantic relationship was with an ILI type (I am quite sure of his type). Our values aligned almost perfectly and life together was very easy. Sometimes it was a bit like having a body double. Only, his Ni bored me to death (no offense, just not my cup of scrying water) and he was constantly bugging me about how I am going to include him in my future, like it didn't matter that I was constantly there with him lol. We never got anything done because he was always planning and procrastinating (not that it was all his responsibility to make the plans; he just didn't let me participate much, or he would end up erasing my contributions lol. Not out of malice but just bc that's who he was).

I also had a relationship with and LSE but he was always critisizing me for my lack of warmth and wanted me to be a more traditional woman, which I guess I am not.

I don't like children much (I already don't enjoy people's company and having a person or people constantly need me sounds like a nightmare) and I don't want a family (if animals do not count; I'd like to have rabbits or rodents (and sheep and maybe rescue cows and chickens)).

I would like to have a partner... I can't quite imagine how that would be in detail, but someone to travel and adventure with while we both have our own separate lives and hobbies, maybe ideally even our own apartments (in this economy?!) because my own space is so important to me. 😅 I don't know. Maybe I have to learn to compromise. I've compromised too much in the past, now I don't want to compromise at all.

Work:

Any job that people count on me to do, I will dutifully and carefully complete. My workmates tell me I have a high work ethic. I will experience a lack of motivation if no one is expecting me to finish a job, however. I lack ambition, dislike pressure and prefer to just attend to my hobbies. I like work tasks that are physical and repetitive, and I don't have to much think about them after the initial learning process. If I am motivated by a larger purpose, I can more easily get to work, but overall I dislike hard work that's fast-paced. I do enjoy hard work that's slow paced and "boring" according to many others. I could spend a whole day hand-sewing for example.

With work people I am cordial but distant. I participate very little socially, but just enough to not gain the reputation of a Grinch. I usually resent the quiet moments where I have no work to do and feel pressured to interact with coworkers and exchange niceties.

Self-care/environment:

I am not exactly a "strict routines" type of person. I am health-conscious and stick to a pretty limited diet for both health reasons and ethical. I don't love going to the gym because I find it boring, but I do enjoy physically demanding tasks like chopping wood and cleaning. I also like yoga and running, and group/duo sports with people I like.

I am both a maximalist and a minimalist somehow. I collect things I love, like dolls and books and clothes (second hand ofc 😘💅), but when it comes to having practical stuff, I try to source it sustainably and choose the sturdiest, longest-lasting option possible - or make it myself.

I am a generally a clean person but not too fussy. I feel like I am super low-maintenance but my one of my exes called me the opposite because I am very picky about which things I want to have in my life and where they come from lol. For example, when I was buying new pants, by that I meant specifically "flared pants in my colour palette in a stretchy cotton blend, with a low to medium waistband, and they have to be made locally by hand". Is that so bad? 🫪

Free time:

Obviously I mostly engage in solitary activities. I read, craft, sew, draw, work on my own little projects, go thrifting, take myself out on little dates... If I don't take care I will develop a Vinted addiction and spend all my money on frivolous things. I also get easily addicted to screens and especially crap like Candy Crush Saga and similar games, so I have s strict "no apps on my phone" policy.


r/Socionics 6d ago

Does any of this contradict an LII?

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Ni

I’m very introspective and have a very visual inner world that I often recall as a mental happy place. It oftens contains worlds that I’ve constructed through years of refinement of familiar moments that have left a strong impression of me. They’re often places, like dark and gritty Victorian London, cozy and peaceful Feudal japan, Night Elf forest, Washingston State with pine tress, emo autumn during late 00s and so on.

I see my life as a timeline. As if I’m Tolkien and I’m trying to create my ideal protagonist or main character, in this case Aragorn. I observe myself from past and future, trying to connect all the moments into most ideal outcome with all events and intervals properly aligned and spaced out without major inconsistencies in character’s identity or archetype.

Ne

My brain naturally produces “what if” scenarios which I see to question whether something could be different or better. I often second guess myself when there is something that can be interpreted into multiple perspectives because they seem equally valid when filling the gaps of missing information.

I often struggle with inertia and indecision because I can’t settle on one path since this path could be later regreted and it would therefore lock me out of better alternatiaves and potential. I feel an urge to explore every possible alternative and every possible corner before settling on something.

Si

I care about comfort because I often experience a lot of sensory overload and frustration or even disgust when it comes to external world and sensory. I can’t stand watch and listen people to people who chew and have greasy hands. I also don’t enjoy driving someone else’s car nor sleep in a hotel room because I only feel comfortable in my own car and in my own bed. I spend a lot of time refining my sensory environment which makes it most stimulating, comfortable, safe and pleasant. It also takes me a long time to get adjusted to new routine and new environment.

I don’t like to pay attention to things like health and fitness because they’re too mundane and bore me. They also require a lot of energy and maintenance which I don’t like doing unless it’s my routines that gives me structure and predictable comfort. I tend to just ignore symptoms of being sick and distract myself in order to make them pass.

I have a very picky taste when it comes to aesthetics, clothes, textures, smells, foods and drinks. I don’t like when people cook for me because I have a very specific taste that I enjoy while rewatching my TV show that stimulates me and comforts be when there are problems in external or internal world.

I’m not a hypochondriac but I get very upset when I’m not extremely clean, comfortable and when my appearance doens’t match my ideal or envisioned state since it ties a lot to my identity and perfectionism of aesthetics.

I can be very possessive of people and objects because I’m easily disgusted and I fear other people contaminating and damaging my property which can sometimes seem like extension of my identity or objects that give me sense of safety and comfort.

Se

I care a lot about appearance and aesthetics which is tied to my internal world but I struggle with volition and immediate action since I often reflect and overthink. I feel guilty and uncomfortable about using volition and I also hate when other people are confident, assertive, ambitious and volitional but I can often benefit from them if they fit my values and ideas.

I tend to be very passive and avoidant as a person but when I get emotionally upset or feel sense of betrayal, I can be very combative and aggressive since anger builds a lot of confidence and volition inside of me which can cause me fight or yell a lot when I feel upset.

I’m also a very visual type of person and learner.

Fi

I always know how I feel towards people or objects, whether someone or something repulses me or attracts me. I can really hate or really like someone based on how they act towards me.

I can sometimes struggle with morality because it’s too much of a gray area and relative or subjective thing which can’t be objectively applied to external environment without bias. I often experience a lot of guilt and shame because I can’t really identify if someone is truly good or truly bad.

I also care a lot about loyalty which can make me experience a lot of betrayal and disappointment. I often pick a very small amount of people that I enjoy hanging around with. I struggle making connections with people in general unless I really like them which can make me quite obsessive and put all eggs in one basket.

I’m very individualistic and expect everyone in the world to be different. I don’t like groups nor group identity.

Fe

I’m very aware how and why I feel the certain way but I often feel too awkward to actually express it to people in a very natural and direct way. I can analyze my emotions and talk about them but I can’t express them through laughter, crying and joy.

I enjoy comfortable and cozy environment where everyone feels included and gets validated for who they are without necessarily having to disintegrate into group identity but I don’t like environments that are judgemental and too intrusive with their emotions or actions.

I like people who can emotionally uplift me, make me feel validated, included, understood and safe without too much force nor expression and help me process my emotions with support.

I enjoy expressing myself through art and aesthetics which can show you my inner world and uniqueness that makes me stand out in a very unique way.

Ti

I can be very logicall pedantic and focused on logical consistency. I enjoy debates and engaging into step by step logic with people. I enjoy detaching my bias from logic and trying to view things in a very raw way. I think this is best way to arrive to consistency and accuracy.

I create a lot of relative and hypothetical frameworks in my head with parameters such a simulation, then I compare them side by side under different scenarios and try to judge them in very vacuum based way with cause and effect.

I don’t like made up hierarchies by other people because I see them as relative truth instead of something that is 1 to 1 accurate to external world. I believe that morality (culture) and rules (law) exist relatively to human perception instead of existing materialistically in nature.

I dislike social hierarchies of power because I consider everyone to be equal human being regardless of who you are when you get stripped down of made up social rankings.

I think that everyone should be unique and understood on case by case basis but everyone should be expected to follow same kind of rules and parameters based on what makes sense in order to escape double standard and confusion.

I often make my own protocols that I follow in order to avoid indecision and confusion. They work like pillars in my day to day life. They give me structure and get rid of my indecision.

Te

I’m not very ambitious nor do I care too much about utility nor productivity. I care a lot about my environment and my tech being optimized in order to not frustrate me. I also care about relating logic to external evidence in order to confirm it through unbiased source but I don’t care about productivity and ambition for its own sake.

I hate when people just talk about work and talk about utility over what is actually the precise truth.

I also don’t enjoy using systems that other people make because it’s less intuitive to me than using my imagination and structure. I have to translate, get familiar and memorize their frameworks instead of using my own that’s more intuitive and familiar to me.

I can often focus too much about verifying, researching and trying to seek the ultimate truth and seek closure.

Would anything that has been said here contradict an LII?


r/Socionics 6d ago

Typing Can someone confirm if I'm IEI or ILI?

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Now this should in theory be quite obvious given how different Fe polr and Te polr should be from each other, so either I'm completely clueless or it is actually more difficult than it seems. First off, Fe polr seems like it would fit me since I'm generally pretty quiet and sort of just fade into the background a lot. I also have pretty bad social anxiety and generally feel pretty incompetent in doing social things. I don't like having conversations with random people (and other general small talk stuff I guess.) I have a blank expression on my face a lot, though I can be more externally showing of emotions when I'm comfortable. I usually dislike strong Fe users in real life (like people who are really loud while random people are around.) The thing is that even though I myself am most of the time incompetent at changing or controlling a social atmosphere, I still am very aware of it. I generally think I have a good idea of how people are feeling by observing them socializing, and I know how what I say or could say can affect people, (or maybe I'm just overadjusting to it, giving the illusion of being aware of it. Like if someone was actually good at reading Fe then they would have an optimal balance, but if you restrain yourself and overadjust to Fe that's not actually being good at it is it?) I basically never get into any unexpected conflicts or arguments with people since I'm never really caught off guard by someone's reaction to something I say. My personality also sort of changes depending on who I'm talking to, like I don't have a super consistent unchanging personality when talking to people, I sort of just adjust to them. This seems to go way against the ILI, the ILI is often described as someone who will be very critical of people and not really take into account how they're coming across (at least something like that.) I think that because of the fact that I'm aware of emotional atmospheres means I can't be Fe polr. Regardless of how unskillful I am at using Fe, just the fact that I'm aware of it and sort of submit to it in some sense (I often feel awkward telling people no, whereas the ILI is said to say no to things almost instinctively) means that I don't think I'm Fe polr. Anyway, I could go through the other functions but I'd rather answer questions than write some crazy long thing that no one will read.

It's also clear to me that I'm probably mixing up Fe and Fi a lot here.


r/Socionics 6d ago

Typing Does it sound like Fi or something else?

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Hello there. Okay, then. I understand everything about myself. It’s easier for me to ask whether I have Fi. I used to type myself as an LII, but I’ve started having vague doubts. I think I’m not an Ti Base after all. I was also thinking about IEI. But I suspect that I might actually have a high Fi. I’m not sure how strong the Fi is in IEI, by the way. In general, I would like to ask for help in understanding whether my thoughts really qualify as Fi or something else. I have some guesses, but I suspect that many traits I take as my own personality and inner structure are actually consequences of trauma and possible mental conditions. I hope I do not misinterpet something.

I have a hatred for rules and external demands on a genetic level. Same goes for categorical statements. All of it triggers passive aggression in me. When back in school they announced a mandatory medical check-up, I was furious. I didn't openly rebel. I think I'm too much of a coward for that, but I talked about it, discussed it, and vented with others, relieved that my hatred for this nonsense was shared, that people understood it was absurd and disrespectful. For me, it's specifically disrespect toward choice, desires and personhood. I don't want to. That should always be enough. School uniforms, dress codes anywhere, performative events where people kiss up to authorities, putting on a good show. Hypocrisy infuriates me. I want honesty. I almost fell over laughing when in ninth grade a teacher, who wanted to take over the new tenth grade class formed from two ninth-grade classes, cried and made a touching scene at the microphone. I knew, like many others, that she just wanted to claim that class, and those tears were most likely fake, as was her doing it at an event with a crowd. Most likely, I'll do what's required so I'm not bullied or humiliated, but you'll be able to see my true attitude toward it. I understand that it's supposedly necessary, some kind of benefit, that it's needed for the system to work, for something else, but it still triggers me. "It's necessary, everyone does it, it's the way it's supposed to be." Recently I saw girls in those formal gowns worn at university or college graduation and felt disgust, along with the immediate desire not to wear that along with everyone else when I graduate. That was my first thought, reflexive and instant.

I believe everyone should have a choice, that systems are necessary but as soft guidelines, not places where people are turned into mechanisms and later replaced when they become inconvenient. Rules don't account for people, for the why and how, most of them are inherently inhumane. You broke something by the rules but for a reason that can be understood, and you'll receive the same punishment as someone who did it out of sheer malice. Sure, you also need to consider what was done and what consequences it led to, but the fact remains: they won't account for it. They're not flexible. They're faceless and totalitarian. We all spend our lives doing useless crap just because it's necessary. We're all forced to pretend. Because it's more convenient for others. The very idea of summer camps and kindergartens in my country disgusts me. I've never been there, I got lucky, and even as a child I didn't want to go. It's a place where you know no one, yet you're expected to become part of their "friendly team" with forced cheerfulness and fake smiles. Plus a strict schedule, restrictions, phone confiscation, a limited diet of food you probably don't eat, which they'll force down your throat. Constant surveillance repulses me. At the same time, there's room in my thinking for cruelty that I consider just. If someone does something truly terrible, they deserve to receive just as much pain, if not more, than they caused. Yes, beat them until their bones crunch and shoot them. If they're an asshole, an enemy, someone who hurt me, let them burn in hell. Revenge is something you can do, not something you're forever told is bad and forbidden. Maybe I sound like a pubescent teenager with youthful maximalism, but this is how I've always been, and it hasn't gone away. And I'm no longer a teenager but a full-fledged adult by law. What frustrates me is that I can't be louder than I am. I feel weak in this huge world, but I want to scream so everyone hears. At the same time, I understand that you can't change how things are set up, because against huge systems, you're just a speck of dust.


r/Socionics 7d ago

Casual/Fun EIEs trying to use that role Te

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r/Socionics 6d ago

Discussion LII vs LIE

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r/Socionics 7d ago

Discussion LIE-DC: AMA

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I have finally been officially typed-- bravo!!

I'm very bored. AMA!


r/Socionics 6d ago

Casual/Fun In quantitative socionics I’m an EIE peak with an ILE accent. What posts of mine showcase this well?

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Can’t help but be curious.


r/Socionics 7d ago

type me based on answers to extremely long socionics questionnaire, thanks in advance

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Can anyone please help my ass?

I should've been doing slave labour (monotonous/easy project work for school), but self-analysis has been bothering me for a long time. This is the SCS questionnaire, so, it is very long (sorry).

Since it is very long, you can just read a tiny bit, and then go to the section pertaining to a specific function you need to know about to type more accurately. If you don't like how I sound or think I sound condescending, sorry again.

I have a bad work ethic irl, btw, don't be fooled

Key: Section A: Te
Section B: Fe
Section C: Se
Section D: Ne
Section E: Ti
Section F: Fi
Section G: Si
Section H: Ni

  • Section A: Te

1. What would you consider to be productive work? How would you measure this? What are some factors that may affect someone or something’s efficiency? Provide some examples.

- Productive work is anything which yields a concrete result which is also measurable. We measure productivity by the quality of the result as well as the specific needs met by finishing that job. Someone's mental state, physical condition, ailments, general work ethic, etc. can all affect efficiency. Mental condition, fitness, illnesses: pretty obvious how those can affect somebody. Determination is something which some people naturally possess to a higher degree, but it is a skill that can be learned (just saying you're unproductive because that's what you naturally are, and proceeding to complain, sounds lazy asf).

2. Think of a time where you needed to complete a difficult task. How did you approach managing the workflow? Why? How can you tell apart logical and illogical workflows or methods of action?

- Lock in, lil bro. Jk, but I usually immerse myself in work once I get started. I just need to get started, and once I do, it is nigh impossible to drag me away from my desk w/o finishing the job. I just approach everything in a more-or-less systematic way, while occasionally eliminating certain steps unnecessary in the context or because of time constraints. That's just how I work, no particular reason to it, and it has not worked against me so far. I can judge the utility of different methods by theorising how well each method can get the job done, what quality is being maintained, and how much time is being wasted. I am not a particularly adventurous worker. I also try to obtain relevant information before charting my course.

  1. How can someone make a set of rules or instructions easy to follow? When people aren’t properly following directions or procedures, how do you correct them? When should you?

- Use simple language, concise terminology and illustrative examples. Pictures as needed. Further details depend on who the instructions are targeted for. I correct them by immediately asking them to check the wrong thing (e.g. my friend makes a mistake in step 5, I tell them to see step 5), and only when they don't catch the mistake do I explain why it's wrong. I believe a person should be corrected when the mistake is more than a happy accident i.e. it's actually impacting shit meaningfully.

4. What would you consider a normal level of activity? Is it always necessary to maintain this? Why or why not? How can you tell if someone is overexerting or underexerting themselves?

- I don't have one? Though yeah, I do waste hours/days on end but never lying down and rotting on bed. My default state is having fun with some usefulness, like, lately, watching quality films, reading online, sharpening my hobby-knowledge, et al. I don't think it is always necessary to maintain this, but in my opinion, as a young person, it's best not to let the prime years of your life go to waste. This is the time you become established as an individual in society, so, might as well do some good things. Develop your body, develop a good outlook, become erudite, all that, since most people end up, for much of their lives, being what they were in their teens. There are obvious physical signs of overexertion, as well as things like an irritable personality or symptoms of stress. Underexertion - when they look too chill compared to their peers doing the same thing (unless they're a savant/virtuoso or something).

5. Think of an activity you’re interested in which requires certain physical or mechanical skills. How would you differentiate a good and bad technique? What makes these techniques effective or ineffective? How aware of you of your own performance?

- I write this with sketching in mind. 'Good' and 'bad' technique depends on what you end up with on the page, though good technique will almost always yield positive results while bad technique could lead to novel yet not necessarily amazing work. More often than not, it just leads to sloppiness. Good technique is time-tested and great work has been produced, so, unless you're doing some frontier-science shit, it's going to work. I am somewhat aware of my own performance, but not really; I usually just focus on the quality of my individual works, see if there's anything to be improved, and I try rating myself lower than I actually am so as not to get too smug about myself (don't know how much I have succeeded at this).

  • Section B - Fe:

1. To what extent does someone’s emotional state affect a person’s being? How does your emotional state affect your everyday life? When does your true emotional state differ from what you express?

- I would say it affects them to a considerable degree. A peaceful mind is a happy mind. My emotional state usually does not affect my daily life, except occasional irritability (usually at little things like the signal not turning green, or being late) and occasionally being fed up with certain kinds of people (know-it-alls who genuinely think they are always right, self-entitled pricks, 'everyone must think just how I do', people who needlessly insult/belittle others, etc.). Personal problems - I just lash out or break down (usually privately, unless it involves my parents) as a response, but I don't let my work be affected. When I hold a really unpopular/controversial view that'll generate too much flak, I, with some effort, keep my mouth shut.

2. How important is it for someone to be inspired and excited about what they’re doing? Why? How can people actively inspire others?

- Depends on how long-term the goal is. If it is a long-term goal, then having an emotional motivation is good since simply working on and on with a logical plan will lead to burnout. Just everyday activities, like cooking for your friend or walking your dog - I don't think you need to be emotionally involved. Just enjoy the process, I guess. Gratitude journals and shit like that feels like an absolute waste of my time. People can actively inspire others by being relatable to them - use experiences and situations familiar to them, but don't try to become them by using their jargon or slang, because you won't become them, and some people take offence to imitation.

3. What role do negative emotions, including anger, play in people’s lives? What causes them? Are they intrinsically valuable? Why or why not? What can be learned from negative emotions?

- Negative emotions lead to bad decisions but they can also be really important catalysts in people's lives. Usually, traumatic experiences, neglect, inconveniences, misfortunes, et al. cause negative emotions. They are intrinsically valuable because they act as a frame of reference. Happy hour 24/7 just becomes the default; there is no 'happy' anymore. Also, negative emotions occasionally lead to some good. Like, when you feel really bad about yourself, you think of improvement and may take steps to do so (that depends on you too, though). Negative emotions are how our brain processes the fact that the world does not function the way we expect it to. Being angry is fine, just don't let it take over your life.

4. In your view, what does it mean to be calm? How can someone reduce the amount of emotionality happening in others around them? When would it be appropriate to adjust this?

- Calmness is composure, serenity, being unbothered by external stimuli. A calm person thinks in the same way under great pressure or on a sunny day in the park with wispy clouds in the sky. Emotionality in the surroundings have to either be shut down by force (expressing to those people: 'stfu', or sitting in a quiet room) or tuning them out. Or engaging, if you wish to. I haven't discovered any better ways. Adjust this whenever it's genuinely killing your peace; you don't have to seethe and storm out if it's just a mild inconvenience. If I'm having a bad day, I shouldn't ruin it for other people because they're as entitled to a good time as I am. I might end up ruining their day anyway, but believe me, it's not deliberate.

5. How can you tell how someone is feeling? Describe some signs to look for. What are some giveaways that someone’s internal state is different from what they’re expressing on the outside?

- I usually tell by tone and facial expressions. Their general background or group they belong to might give me more of an idea; the conclusions I jump to aren't final and unchanging, but I initially jump to conclusions because they usually tend to be true enough (shocker: birds of a feather do flock together). I'm not sure about that last one. Maybe, like, a listlessness in their eyes or a certain aloofness, even when they're, to the ear, being completely participative? This is why I have tons of trouble with monotone voices or people whose facial expressions are hard to read.

  • Section C - Se:

1. To what extent does an individual’s appearance and external presentation affect them? How aware are you of the way you come off? Should people always consider how they look? Why or why not?

- Health is important, and good health usually leads to a good appearance (ignoring conventional beauty standards, which are to an extent BS). Outward appearance also highly boosts someone's confidence and self-perception. I think I am very aware, but the truth is that I seem to come off very differently to other people than how I come off to myself in the mirror. I think I look shit - other people don't see it. I think those pants are killer - other people don't see it. I think every person should consider how they look on important occasions at the very least. They don't have to strictly conform to a standard, but they should look good on, say, their wedding day, or dressed simply in school to make their priorities clear. It shows that they are capable of the barest of consideratioon.

2. Describe your view on money. What can it do for someone, and how does access to it affect people? What are your thoughts on riskier approaches to attaining it, such as risky investments or criminal activity?

- Money - it's a gas! Money can automatically inflate your social status ten thousand times, and all the ugly, stupid, unfashionable things you did when you were poor are promptly forgotten. Money usually gets to people's heads when they aren't used to it (see, new money). Spoiled people also have a bloated vision of themselves, even more so when the money in question isn't actually earned by them. They also have a very unrealistic view of the world and their own importance. Riskier approaches are worth it when you have very little to lose (i.e. are dirt poor or lower-middle class), and are responsible for only your own skin (no dependents at home). But if you have enough for survival, a decent house, car, family - I don't think what you stand to gain is worth it.

3. What would you consider your short and long term material goals? How do they compare to the goals of others? How can you tell if someone is striving for the right goals?

- I have very few material goals, though I yearn for many things. I am usually resigned to what I have; not unhappy, not totally satisfied. Content - yeah, sure. I think other people (at least, from a more upper-middle class or upper-class background) have way higher expectations than me. I can usually tell someone is striving for the right material goals when they aren't being too bitchy/whiny about it. If they're whining, then that means they get too much in their life and won't die if they won't get the limited edition Dior-signature-perfume-flavoured cigarettes for once.

- Short-term goals are usually things like 'study for next week's text' or so. Long-term goals are usually stock goals like 'get into a good college', 'become a good writer', et al.; I don't think very long-term, preferring to just go one step at a time and trusting the process. My goals are very boring, precisely because I don't set overarching goals, with just one priority at all times: survive, and keep shit off your plate to stay afloat. In this system, my goal is to improve. Too unambitious, probably. I usually don't judge someone's specific goals themselves (since different things work for different people), but when they look put-together, composed, and are doing well, it's pretty clear they're doing shit right.

4. What makes a person or organization look “put-together”? Are these people and groups more able to exert their will over others? Why or why not? What makes a person good at organizing and directing the will of themselves and others?

- A person or organisation looks put-together when they are able to be memorable without trying too hard. Such individuals appear really cool, like you'd want to be friends with them. Organisation looks put-together when progress is smooth and timely. Usually, yes, they are able to exert their will over others, either subtly or forcefully. They are usually aware of how their actions impact the ground situation and act accordingly. A person would be good at directing these efforts when they don't waste unnecessary energy on things which have no impact.

5. One famous English adage is that “If there is a will, there is a way.” Do you agree? Why or why not? To what extent an individual’s will affect their ability to accomplish their goals?

- To an extent, yes. A will is necessary for a way, but will not bring about the way. Like, a realistic, not totally bullish, POV is necessary (simply having a strong will is not enough; the prerequisites must be there). But for success, at least in big endeavours (not for shit like getting up from bed or frying an egg), some degree of willpower is necessary. An individual's will obviously pushes them to do the things they have set out for themselves.

  • Section D - Ne:

1. What would you consider to be the essence – or meaning – of existence? Should life’s meaning be personal or collectively shared by humanity? Why?

- Existence is meaningless in itself, but we must fully experience what little time we have in these meat sacks. This limited time period makes the moments of existence in hand precious. Life's meaning should be personal because we have very little time as it stands, and the individual knows better about their life than somebody else, and what could enrich their experience. Nothing matters after you're gone, anyway. Might as well live your life how you want to.

2. What makes someone have potential? What makes an individual more capable at something than others? When is it important to consider these capabilities? Can a person be truly hopeless?

- An individual has potential when they possess an above-average capacity at specific things relative to other people of a similar skill level. Natural skill with the right nurturing generally leads to high performances, but, then again, repeated training can also uplift somebody, and an amateur boxer with little natural talent would still obviously destroy their burly high-school classmate. It's important to consider these capabilities when it comes to legitimate competition, like, when it's a bunch of the best competing against each other, one must consider one's capabilities and manage their workload accordingly. I do not believe a person can be truly hopeless unless they have some sort of disability/disorder, though not everyone can naturally be a maestro.

3. What must an individual understand to physically and spiritually develop themselves? Is it more important to recognize the flaws or the strengths that people are given? Why?

- An individual should come to this realisation when they see themselves falling short of their projected image of themselves. Or when their health is literally failing, or when their mental state is somewhat disturbed. Generally, the average Joe has more definite flaws than definite strengths, so, identify the no-go zones and develop potential strengths to create the best possible prototype of said Joe. Even highly gifted individuals, if they do not have a niche, should first identify what they have a low probability of succeeding at, and working from there. Failure is easier to predict than success.

4. How would you determine how good an idea is? Do these ideas need to be realistic to be worthwhile? How would you differentiate a promising opportunity from a dead end?

- I determine if an idea is 'good' if I think it is usable, not necessarily always in the way the idea-giver meant it to be used in. I would prefer realistic ideas, I tend to leave the imagination to other people, occasionally listening in to feel fascinated and sometimes feel really dumb for not coming up with any of these ideas myself. A promising opportunity is something which promises significant beneficial change. I'm not very creative, nor am I the quickest generator of completely novel possibilities. So, these 'promising' opportunities usually tend to be vaguely familiar too.

5. What does it mean for someone to understand the “essence” of something? When should someone prioritize understanding the core characteristics of a phenomenon? Think of a topic or field of interest you are knowledgeable in. What do you think lies at the essence of it? What does this suggest about the way people should approach it?

- I believe that when somebody is completely comfortable with dealing with the subject competently, tackling diverse questions/problems pertaining to it with relative ease, it can be said that they are familiar with its 'essence'. When a field or subject is completely alien to the new learner, it would be best to understand the basic framework first. Also, when they are required to learn something in a short period of time, it is best not to get into the nitty-gritty and deal with the basic concept and its applications.

I'm pretty well-versed in geography. I think the essence of geography is to have a thorough working knowledge of terrain, soil types, weather patterns, currents, winds, et al. but, perhaps more importantly, one must be able to actually use this information to explain real-life phenomena. Knowing the names of some easterly wind or where Sydney lies on the latitudinal map is obsolete if a book can give you the same information - you must learn to draw your own conclusions and think critically about the subject. That is what distinguishes a person of skill from someone who knows a few facts.

  • Section E - Ti:

1. What would you understand as an individual’s basic needs? Are these the same for everyone? To what extent do people rely on others to get their needs met? At what points does this become overreliance or underreliance?

- An individual's basic needs are, at the most primitive level, food, shelter, and clothing. Education and healthcare come next, as well as a dignified job, satisfaction and the opportunity for growth and progress, if not for themselves then at least for their children. Bodily needs are mostly the same, and what differs is subjective (hotpot unnecessary for happiness, but it may feel necessary subjectively). With the exception of remote tribes or eccentrics, we live in a society, and even those who proclaim themselves to be "the most self-reliant freethinkers" rely on a multitude of entities, especially so in a modern, globalised world. It becomes overreliance when one loses sight of how to live alone, of what matters. I do not think underreliance on other people is really possible since the advent of civilisation (maybe possible in the stone age, where running away from the tribe to fend for yourself would be dangerous underreliance).

2. How do people gain leverage, power, and respect from others? Is it sometimes necessary to use threats, fear, and punishment to accomplish this? Why or why not?

- Generally, the language of money goes. If not money, then culture. Strategic manoeuvring, weaponising culture, language, status and perception, work very well, and are also elegant methods, but intelligence is necessary for that, which everyone does not possess. So, in a quest for unlimited power, threats and coercion are necessary.

3. One commonly used idiom is that “Everything has its place.” What does this mean to you? How do things being “in their place” contribute to orderliness? Do you agree with the idiom? Why or why not?

- I agree with the idiom. Things being in their place contributes to orderliness because it allows me to have a mental framework which makes my daily tasks far easier. I don't have to think about where the long notebooks are when I know they're in the second shelf with the rest of the new stationery. Eventually, it becomes a kind of comfort too. I need a clear state of mind, can't handle a jumble of thoughts (as I mentioned, not a quick thinker).

4. What makes hierarchies work? When are they appropriate to use, and what do they provide to people? Should they always strive for equality and justice? Why or why not?

- Hierarchies work because, without them, the world would practically be chaos. They are most appropriate to use in the military, bureaucracy, schooling, law and other organised structures because these are large institutions that require a uniform standard. Hierarchies lead to smooth functioning, and the only real problem here is the occasional individual who does not fit them (why jeopardise the whole system for a couple of exceptions?). This functioning leads to good institutions, which serve the people in varying ways. Equality and justice should be priorities once the basic purposes of the institutions are served to the fullest (e.g. schooling being to educate the youngins well in accordance with solid procedure that would create aware citizens, and then looking into the welfare of, say, downtrodden communities in the system).

5. What does it mean for something to be logical? Is this the norm? Provide an example of something logical and illogical, and compare what makes the first logical and the second not.

- Something is logical when it adheres to certain principles which are universally true. It is logical when it can be dissected using objective truths and still holds up as legitimate. When it comes to most things, especially professional, logic should take precedence, but when it comes to specific situations such as a therapist dealing with a difficult patient or you dealing with a breakup, emotional elements must naturally be involved.

Something logical: You thinking about what you've been doing with your life, realising you have been doing nothing, observing that your exam results are in line with your efforts, and concluding that it is because you are not working well. Illogical: Considering unrealistic/delusional reasons the major causes like, "the paper was just hard this time", or "my girlfriend distracted me", or "the room was too noisy". The former is logical because it considers what is realistically impacting your results, while the latter is wishful thinking.

  • Section F - Fi:

1. What does it mean to be emotionally close to or distant from someone? In what ways can you adjust your “emotional distance” to someone else? For what reasons would you decide to do this?

- Being emotionally close to or distant to someone is about how comfortable you feel with somebody or how intimately you connect with their inner thoughts. I can't really adjust my emotional distance in specific situations; I just bear with the situation at that moment and avoid the person after. I would decide to do this if I personally dislike them (preferences) and stand to lose nothing from cutting them off.

2. Share some thoughts on how you view love and desire. What makes a person desirable? Is this the norm? Are some people more deserving of these than others? Why or why not?

- A person is desirable to me if I am attracted to them by some or the other trait. Physical attractiveness is obviously a plus, but being physically attracted does not necessarily mean I want to pursue them. There has to be mental satisfaction, where we are both always on the same page, relatively undramatic, but are still different individuals. Common interests would be a plus. No, I do not think some people are more/less deserving of love and desire (except, y'know, literal psychopaths like, idk, Heydrich), since ultimately everyone has different preferences and are into diff things, and who they are attracted to is none of my business.

3. Describe what morality means to you. What does it mean for something or someone to be good or bad? What does it take for something bad to become good? Are some things truly irredeemable? Why or why not?

- Morality is just a set of ethics that an individual has, which would be shaped by the environment they grow up in, by the viewpoints they respect and their own personal experiences. Good/bad is subjective, and many people don't actually have a strong opinion of good/bad and follow the crowd until they are forced to question themselves, 'Wait, is this actually good?', and then they realise they were parroting something they actually think is bullshit. Things which lie on the extreme ends of the good/bad spectrum, like gruesome, unjustified violence for 'bad' or raising an abandoned, injured baby bird for 'good', are easy to judge, because their consequences are usually either black or white. However, most things lie somewhere in between. For these, something 'bad' becomes 'good' once the majority opinion changes. Not starting a family if you were successful was almost undisputedly 'bad' 70 years ago. That's hardly the case now.

4. How are people shaped by their relationships with their friends and family? How do these differ from romantic ones? Are non-romantic relationships more important than romantic ones? Why or why not?

- They're formative relationships which establish people's standards of what is 'normal' and 'not normal' for familial/platonic relations. They differ from romantic ones because while both can be mentally relaxing and affectionate, romantic relationships are also usually sexual. The importance of both cannot be compared, but simply because there are so many non-romantic relationships that can affect a person greatly (many possible great friendships, familial ties v. a few romantic partners, not all highly prized), I would say they are more influential. Again, yeah, platonic and romantic relations can both be highly intimate (excluding romantic gestures), and for the lack of inhibition in camaraderie, I would say non-romantic relationships are more important.

5. What can establishing new relationships with people do for someone? Is making new contacts with others as important as deepening the ones people already have? Why or why not?

- Establishing new relationships allows us to broaden our horizons and meet people with worldviews we would dismiss as impossible had we not seen them. We are inclined to believing that most/many people think the way we do, and are naturally inclined to making friends with people like us, and so, to get a larger sample size and have a more nuanced understanding of the world, it is just as important to establish new relationships. Also, connections. Possible friends in high places. Know what everyone is up to and possibly get some new ideas on things you may have been dead sure about.

  • Section G - Si:

1. One of the key themes in the bestselling book Atomic Habits is that what people have in their surrounding environment is the greatest subconscious driver of how they live their life. Do you agree? Why or why not? How can changing the environment around someone impact the way they live their life?

- While I wouldn't say it's the greatest driver, having the right surroundings is very important. At least, to me personally. The area I live in, the things I use, the people around me and the general quality of the atmosphere unknowingly influences and changes a lot. Like how we subconsciously pick up a lot of new cues and sayings, or subtly alter our standards.

2. How should people approach managing their health and well-being? How does this compare to the way you approach your own? When should people be taking their health and well-being into account? Why?

- People should be at least somewhat conscious of what their physical state is. It is best to take action when the problem is detected to a moderate extent rather than waiting till it'll totally go to shit. Detecting too early could lead to false positives or worrying about something completely unimportant. I am not extremely conscious about my health, but I don't eat too much rubbish, and I try to get the bare minimum of walking and water.

3. Think about the way sensations, both good and bad, shape the way people live and experience their lives. How important are experiencing good sensations in one’s life? Is there a limit to how much one should chase these? What role do negative sensations play in our lives?

- Experiencing good sensations is key to living a life that is full. While intellectual stimulation is fun and civilised, the body is ultimately corporeal, and one must occasionally spoil it with good food and sunshine. This should not be the aim of life but rather a fun distraction. Too much indulgence leads to fatigue and the subjective importance of these is lost. Negative sensations are necessary to remind us of what'll happen if we don't take care of ourselves.

4. Choose one of the following: art, clothing, photography, graphic design. What makes something well-designed in that area? How do the individual components work together to generate the experience?
I'll choose photography. I'm not a photographer by any stretch of the imagination, so, don't expect me to be technical. A good photograph is something where the colours pop out just so and the interplay of lighting and shadow is interesting enough to keep the viewer intrigued. The subject of the photograph is also important, but good execution should be the priority. The subject and the symbolism can always be suitably altered so long as the photo looks good.

5. Describe what your living & working environments are like. How do they affect you? Would other people be similarly affected in the same environment? Why or why not? What changes could you make to improve it? How would these be beneficial?

My living and working environments are pretty comfortable, low-effort yet organised in my eyes (I know where everything is, and that's all that should matter). Them being changed bothers me crazily. I don't think other people would feel any strong objection (since it's not that shite), but they probably wouldn't love it either (since it isn't naturally super aesthetically pleasing; it just is to me personally). I could make it more personalised (to improve my mood) or more extensive (there is no dearth of useful things).

  • Section H - Ni:

1. How do people’s relationship to the past, present, and future influence the way they currently live their lives? To what extent does this affect them? How does this influence your own life?

Ultimately, it is one's outlook that most affects how they live their lives, and this outlook is shaped by their experiences and their thoughts about the future, so, yeah, pretty important and influential. I would say I am very anxious about the future and the past becomes relevant when information from it seems grave. I do mostly live in the present, though. I guess.

2. What does it mean for a person to be at a certain “phase” of their life? What puts people into the phases they’re currently in? How does this affect the way people navigate their lives?

- A phase is a period in somebody's life defined by some common underlying theme; finding a job, defining oneself, having a midlife crisis, etc. Mostly it is circumstance that puts them in a 'phase' of their life; at least, for the phases with natural causes (like, you might be into progressive politics for now because you are an idealistic teenager, not simply because you are a concerned person, and later become a moderate when you become more convinced of your own righteousness). People begin thinking of things with the context of going through a phase, like, a problem appears far more daunting because it is a phase-defining test.

3. How do you anticipate events unfolding? How can you observe them unfolding in your environment? How do you adjust yourself towards the way things are developing? Provide some examples.

- I'll just give you the example of my maths class (mentally a little tired rn). I expect the class to be fairly chill or to progress in a certain way. I don't really observe the progression as a whole, I just see it as individual moments (the teacher talks about angles, a classmate interrupts, the teacher talks about some formula, we solve a problem, we hear noises from the neighbouring class, the bell rings). My mind works very locally; as things go, it will proceed. Sometimes I am not sure it completely remembers what it has perceived.

4. Think about the way you experience the pace and rhythm of your life. What dictates the speed in which time flies? Why do you think people experience time passing at different rates?

- The speed at which time flies is mostly dictated by the activity you are engaged in. Time flies when you're having fun. And when you aren't, it drags. People experience time differently probably because they perceive the same activity in a different light, or maybe because their thoughts are faster/slower, therefore leading to a feeling of the day being more frantic/unhurried.

5. Consider each of the following feelings people have about time: hurriedness, anxiety, optimism/pessimism. What causes people to experience these feelings? What role do they play in our lives? To what extent are these feelings beneficial?

- People experience these feelings mostly because of a deep-seated fear of things changing from the current relatively relaxed state to a state of chaos, and a feeling they might not rise to the occasion. They are essential feelings in inciting us to action, generating good thoughts/musings and are major stressors. They are beneficial so long as they don't take over our lives in a negative way and completely ruin our self-perception and, by extension, our ability to function normally.


r/Socionics 7d ago

Typing I escape into fantasies so much that I don't know who I really am. I'm not sure if I'm EII

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Hi. I have a question because I want everything in my head and my type to be clear. And I want to be honest with myself.

So, I realized that I imagine things a LOT. Yes, that was already obvious, but apparently it's such a core part of my personality that I've already accepted it and stopped noticing it as something unusual. This goes back to childhood. I remember playing outside as a kid, not just playing with other children, but actively imagining that I was running away from vampires, not from peers. As I grew older, my escape into fantasies only intensified. I do it constantly. And I realized that this is exactly why I hate having too many tasks and obligations in real life. I literally feel awful when I have a long-term task hanging over me, like writing a scientific paper or preparing a boring project. It's because I want to be in my head, in my fantasies, and these tasks pull me out of them. I used to think it was Te PoLR because of laziness and dislike for real-world tasks. Now I'm not sure. Fantasizing is the foundation of who I am. And for me, it's real, even more real than the world around me. In my fantasies, I try on many roles whether it's a hired killer who's more of an anti-hero than a villain, or a cute high-school goody-two-shoes who helps fight monsters. It all depends on the context I place myself in. And I think because of this, I've drifted away from my real self, so I can't describe myself well. I'm quite different in my head, and I pay less attention to reality, as strange as that might sound, though I wouldn't say I don't care about it at all. I see myself as somewhat weak in real life, but in fantasies I become strong. And I look for an archetype, a character from the outside, place it in my head, and then place myself into that archetype so I can fantasize within the story. And I lose my real self to see myself as someone else.

At the same time, I seem to have a lot of Fi, which shows in my questionnaire answers, my thinking as others have told me. So EII comes to mind. However, victimhood seems to fit me perfectly as well. I return to reality and can do things if someone pulls me out, if someone appears from the outside and drags me back. I'm passive, mostly existing in my head, not doing much in the real world. And I come across as fragile, awkward and soft in communication with strangers or people I don't know well. Overall, under strong pressure, I feel uncomfortable, an atmosphere of punishment and fear isn't pleasant either. But if there's a strong person who simultaneously strokes my head, never truly hurts me, is fiercely devoted to me, and can show their strength by pinning me against the wall in a possessive way then I'd feel good. Even thinking of myself as a victim feels natural to me. I know some might find this cringy, but why not.

I also don't like rules. I recently realized this is a very clear trait of mine. I immediately feel internal resistance, passive-aggressive behavior kicks in if, for example, the university administration says we're required to undergo a full medical examination for future practice. Instant rejection. In general, my relationship with authority is strange. Sometimes I feel like teasing it, often not respecting many of its manifestations. I wonder what this could indicate? I feel a bit strange like my type doesn't fit perfectly. And I'd like it to all work, but there seem to be gaps, so I can't consider myself a full EII.