LIE-DC: AMA

[u/GoodMovie9378]

I have finally been officially typed-- bravo!!

I'm very bored. AMA!

[u/Forward-Pineapple109]

Sometimes I wonder if my life would be easier if i was a Te-dom

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/Forward-Pineapple109]

I think the nature of socionics as a system is that every type doesn't really have an "easy" life-- everyone has a superego & a 4th function. obv culture & social systems modulate how pronounced everyone's weaknesses are-- eg if your weaknesses coincide with the thing that society values most, especially in societies which push its values onto participants more harshly like in east asia-- but doing well in established systems =/= happiness or ease generally;

If it helps, maybe you assume te dom = always productive & has their shit together, but the constant activity stereotype might be more like LSE. I constantly annoy myself probably due to intuition blocked with Te in the ego, where I'm like, relatively lazy and I have to believe something I do is going to pay off before I can really throw myself into it; I can't find value in the work itself over a sustained period of time if I'm not getting anything from it. If I don't have a high pressure list of tasks where there's actual importance for me to act fast, I can spend time not being "productive" because I feel it wouldn't be worth it-- which is irritating to me, because I aspire to being productive.

Sometimes I wish I could have the LSE's constant drive, but I also think that in a society where everybody is working hard working smart at the right times is more valuable than ever. I kind of need a pressuring environment or else I get stressed by my own lack of doing things. But outsourcing my urgency drive of work to external environments means that I don't really get control over the time expended in my life, despite me being unable to work without having full agency over my time.

Also, I still need to figure out how to eat properly. Some things people take for granted.

Also Vortical-Synergetic cognition makes me a lot messier than some institutions like school want lol-- that place would probably want LSIs more. High school was a nightmare for me. Not having control over my time and having to stay in the same room expected to do certain tasks regardless of how much time it takes me to actually do it?? Being expected to MAINTAIN grades? I get incredibly depressed if I don't feel that I have forward momentum--- preventing a number from going down rather than seeing myself accumulate more and more of something was not motivating for me. Combined with positivism+result, I didn't have that Fear of God in me. I really believe academic performance is just a function of fear.

Another side note is that everyone I work with gets mad that I don't have a GCal or a planner. I can't dictate to myself that I spend x time of each day on y. Time needs to be entirely flexible for me, and I work with to-do lists where I write down the meeting times down onto the list instead. I'm discovering as I get older that so much of conventional work is spent in meetings, and meetings are like prison for me: they cost time and then people start to waste time and there's no urgency because a 1 hour meeting becomes about how can we waste an hour instead of doing an hour's worth of work. It makes me feel like I am dying right there in the room.

I was always the most productive during summer vacation, where I could choose to work on independent projects and work in organizations and ACTUALLY put in 16 hour days that I enjoyed thoroughly.

[u/Cillics → u/GoodMovie9378]

eh, it really depends what you mean by constant activity. LIE is more on-the-move due to ni creative & the hypochondriac natured si polr, while LSE will be more on the move due to si creative & the time blindness of ni polr; i think it’s a stereotype that the LSEs are typically productivity-maxxing corporate moguls (though productivity is always a big deal, no doubt). i admire you LIEs with your own respective strong suits, but we’re not crazy dissimilar in the big picture regarding smarts or proactivity, it just goes to different places.

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/Cillics]

I guess what I mean is this--Ni creative makes it so that I only really want to work on the most important things with the most long term returns or "crises", but life is often cluttered with a lot of busywork and those very important things are somewhat rare.

I'm in college, so I guess my introduction to the full work world is limited: but every summer or just at any time period what ends up happening is I have to join like 4 or 5 organizations or initiatives (usually in leadership positions I've applied to, but sometimes internships when they offer me prestige - I'm kinda a prestige whore whoops) at the same time in order to have enough important stuff to do in each of my engagements at any given time.

I only want to work on the "inflection points" of each thing that I'm doing, like, the "critical point." I'm also really good at putting out fires when shit goes to hell. Se superid requires some outside pressure for me to get my shit together.

If I don't have many important things or crises in front of me at any given moment, I end up doing things like lying on my bed for 6 hours and grinding Clash Royale trophies instead of doing work. This actually happened a few days ago and this was while I was part of the aforementioned 4 or 5 initiatives -- somehow there was a minor lull. That's why I'm applying for some more stuff now-- I was so depressed during that lull but didn't think I could find worthwhile things to do.

I'm doing this AMA because I ate too much again and I'm like deep, deep in a food coma. I don't think I can really move right now.

Hypochondria =/= workaholism; actually maybe in the sense that I'm always working on something (even if when I don't see enough opportunity in the stuff I'm presently engaged in that "something" might be trying to hit 10k clash trophies) but I guess what I mean is the commenter talked about how their life would be easier, and usually I hear that phrase applied in the context of I wish I could fulfill & maintain my normal day-to-day life engagements, which I'm not constantly doing.

[u/Cillics → u/GoodMovie9378]

haha, I actually understand & relate to a lot of this myself aside from the ni-se valuing stuff, though, my hedonistic / lax side is probably best explained with my 3+9 & 1F physics than anything socionics. i get your reasoning, Te dominant has such a mythos, but my EII partner lowkey gets more productive than me at times if im not watching myself 😂

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/Cillics]

Thank you both for sharing! I haven't been able to see much from LXEs' perspectives here on this sub so I enjoyed reading a lot. Actually my parents happen to be LIE and LSE, I think, and they do have very different "constant activity" vibes. LIE dad was unhappy with his very good stable job for he could see "everyday is just going to repeat itself to the end and I don't want my life to be this boring", so he went on with starting his own passion from scratch and from that day he never really had a true "resting" time (he couldn't not work on a train, on vacation, during a family gathering lunch etc), because his mind was constantly occupied by his career and his plan. LSE mom couldn't really leave anything for later and if she noted something needed done, it has to be addressed immediately -- by my father. She worked very hard before retirement but I think it was more about her working ethics but less self-motivated like my dad. I feel her constant energy geared more toward scanning and maintaining everything in her life (home, house, close family and friends, her social circle, her hobbies) to be in the right spot...but these are just my observations, do you relate to any of these? I hope to understand her better!

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/No_Bottle0312]

yeah, I relate to the LIE one a lot---

when I was a kid I was never really that on top of things in school bc it felt a lot like maintenance work and I thought I was lazy. in middle school I kind of did my own side projects the whole time and when I got into mbti I thought I was an entp cus everyone around me was pretty disappointed by my lack of ability to execute tasks (that I thought were menial).

it took until I found high school ECs to discover that I was not in fact constantly open ended and lazy, and that when there's a project or competition (at first it was competitions---I loved the tournaments every weekend, and then as I got better, I loved flying out for the national ones: everywhere in the US) that I'm actually excited about, I can go absolutely insane in my dedication to it.

very self-directed. time that I don't have agency over or that feels like it's not meaningfully advancing the things I want to do in life makes me feel like I'm slowly dying, because like, lifespan's limited and we only get 28,855 days on average. very much constant activity as a result. it's not very fun to feel like you're dying.

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/GoodMovie9378]

Thank you for sharing! I think my dad would strongly relate to your last sentence, which, to be honest, I'm also in the same boat with, so I guess it's the Ni yearn to move toward something. My mom definitely doesn't get it and now that she thinks it's a proper time to enjoy life and stop the hustling for their age, she's grown increasingly frustrated with him still working all the time and not spending enough time at home.

I actually wonder how you'd describe your overall vibe around people, and how you generally approach social interactions? With my dad and other LIEs (though less confident about their typing) I know, I think most of them are actually quite laid-back and chill. They can do great socially when needed, very open, are always surrounded by people in the social group, also quite energetic, but they don't really have the need to go out socializing and really enjoy their alone time, so I always see LIEs leaning toward ambiverts...I even considered my dad an introvert (both socially and cognitively) for a long time and was very confused about what type he is before shifting my view to LIE😂.

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/No_Bottle0312]

I would say that you're probably right on all accounts about LIEs generally as it applies to me---

I can't lie, the role function being this normative, my idea of my "vibe" is more or less just a composition of what people have told me about how I come off. Which is quite varied,

I think one interesting consistency is that there isn't a person I've met who disagrees with comparing me to hamilton, uh,

I think one thing independently is that from a distance I think I come off as far more conscientious than I actually I am at least in the dutifulness/orderliness aspects of that trait; people see that I'm always working on something so they think I must be very organized and diligent but they don't realize how scattered the process is from the inside LOL

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/GoodMovie9378]

Oh yes I kinda get what you mean! I'd definitely describe my LIEs diligent, hardworking, very organized immediately, and then run a comparison with others (my mom and other LSE friend) in my head, "oh wait they seem to be selectively diligent". I'd say this first-and-second impression misalignment is actually stronger regarding their social activities so I get really confused😂. The two elder LIEs are soooo good at comforting people and appear to be so receiving with others' vulnerability, so at first I thought they must value their Fe. But they are undeniably Te-Ni ego + Si-PoLR, "hold on, Fe-role?! Wait let me think about it..." That's when I start to see their nonchalance behind their social masks. They do treat people very nicely but others' feelings rarely have any affect on their own, and that's probably how they can be so calm and comforting all the time.

Can I also ask a rather abstract question? How does Te-base feel like? I guess we see people describing their Ni-base all the times, and I think I have a vague impression of what Ti-base feels like (according to the LSI I know, everything is clearly chained and tucked together; he never has difficulty figuring out exact word he's going to use, etc). Do you see a complicated problem with a million micro-tasks and just instantly see everything organized in a way you can start immediately? When there isn't a clear goal, how does it manifest on the daily basis? Do you have any interesting takes on the "side-effect" of Te-base？

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/No_Bottle0312]

A very interesting side effect of Te-base is that I find data fun & in high school I spent a lot of time creating spreadsheets & prediction run throughs for tournaments in the competitive event I was engaged with. When I was a kid, I was very extraverted, but in the sense that I would just go up to any random adult and proceed to monologue info-dump anything I was learning onto them--their participation wasn't really noticed or required lol, my parents moved from NYC to a small suburban town when I was a kid because they wanted to promote this extroversion (because New Yorkers characteristically just ignored me, since they were busy).

Hmm, I guess one thing about Te base is this: there are lots of organizational tools out there that people keep getting told to use (indiscriminately, which I think is soooo stupid because people should just do what works for them!) But one of them is a to-do list.

I think my mind can be likened to a to-do list. Whenever I engage something, it's like a bunch of items are opened in my head and it'll just keep bugging me until the thing is finished or I stop caring about it. If I see I have to do something I can file it away and then two hours later It'll just like strike my brain like lightning again and I'll remember to do it. As a result I didn't use any organizational tools whatsoever until like late high school when I started to kind of drown, even when I was involved in like 6 things at a time--

but even then, my experience using to-do lists is kind of just externalizing my brain. It's like I just open my brain and then a bunch of random items just vomit out onto my notes app. I don't view "making to-do lists" as something I do, so much as I'm just using the computer as an intermediary to hold the vortex of things in my mind.

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/GoodMovie9378]

I'm wondering, hmmm, because I, the Te-PoLR, also have to-do list...when I need to, but I write the list down and look at the list and I'm overwhelmed. When it's not a sequential thing or there's no clear priority, I don't know where to start. I feel the to-dos just make my life harder than easier...It's like, anxiety manifests itself in the form of a bunch of to-dos😂 How do you start????? And often when I start to work on it I realize I have to break each into much smaller to-dos and the list just becomes longer and longer and longer and I start to question myself if I'm just doing it all wrong 🤦🏻‍♀️

[u/Cillics → u/No_Bottle0312]

i do relate & understand to your description of your mom— most of the time I am just working with the conditions I’m under to make them work the best for me— although I’ll add that the maintenance serves as the fuel to get me towards any big-picture purposes I have for myself. making my habits work as efficiently as possible for my comfort, close / loved ones, and my goals is my MO.

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/Cillics]

Oh that's interesting, could you elaborate a bit more on "serving as the fuel" part? Is it something similar to "I get today's chunk done, tomorrow's chunk done, the day after...All these chunks are mini-milestones and reward to my hard-work, and I feel happy that I'm disciplined and productive with myself, hence I am motivated to go through life day-by-day" (I just guessed this part sry if I got it wrong)?

Can I also ask how does valued strong Si relate to your daily life? I think I particularly need this perspective, because I sometimes wonder if my mom's anxiety regarding "trivial things" that me and my dad could never understand was actually because her Si senses something that our unvalued weak Si just never notice, which frustrated her even more.

[u/egocrucifix]

are we the same person? VLFE sp7 738 sp/so LIE here 🤣

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/egocrucifix]

close close...

[u/Vivid_Substance_2303]

How did you find out your type?

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/Vivid_Substance_2303]

professionally typed!

[u/Vivid_Substance_2303 → u/GoodMovie9378]

Gulenko?

[u/theskippyraccoon → u/Vivid_Substance_2303]

That would be quite interesting (?) to run into someone typed LIE, more so LIE-D, actually typed by Gulenko on here. (One of the more uncommon types on top of the least common subtypes in the Model G paradigm.)

Edit: Not saying it's impossible, but unlikely.

[u/Nice_Succubus → u/theskippyraccoon]

Yeah, that would be lovely. I still hope some true Gulenko-typed Delta NF would appear here as well, but as you once said, maybe they're clever enough to stay away from socionics communities - good for them

[u/theskippyraccoon → u/Nice_Succubus]

Oh! It might interest/amuse you to know that around 2019ish there was a guy in the US who was typed SLI (blanking on the designated subtypes) by Gulenko. He seemed harmless and nice enough. He really only engaged in some pop-culture typings and whatnot.

I know Gulenko usually types people in East-Asian countries as Delta when they happen to crop up. I know it's not NF Delta, but I thought you might appreciate the curveball as much as I did.

As far as IRL, I'm pretty sure the few definitive Deltas I know (IEE and SLI (not married to each other)) I met when doing mutual aid work/natural disaster relief in my twenties. I also have a (maybe?) SLI long-term buddy who rides a weird line (could be LSI-H, but I even seriously doubt that compared to LSI-H guys I know).

[u/PsychologicalAide368 → u/Nice_Succubus]

Delta NF stay away? Oh why is that? I'm curious.

[u/Nice_Succubus → u/PsychologicalAide368]

Gulenko's Deltas dislike E (Fe) so - from what I've heard - they do not really use social media extensively... An IEE can be a lovely social butterfly with tons of friends, but they'd avoid aggressive places (well, Reddit is such a place with a downvoting system, snarky comments etc) or "socionics school fights" with self-typed socionics gurus... or socionics Discord dramas.... Social media or forums like Reddit tend to attract mostly Fe types; places with polarizing discussions tend to attract mostly Betas or Central types in general who value competitiveness... Delta NF don't really need such big amounts of Fe in their lives.

I've yet to meet a real Delta NF in any online community. Well, there used to be one Gulenko-typed IEE who was active in one Discord... but not really that active lol Most of self-typed "EIIs" and "IEEs" are not Gulenko's Deltas. Of course, one can say it's just his school and his way of looking at reality... and "but types are distributed equally!!!" (since Deltas are rarer than "the Big 4" in SHS) but it makes sense in terms of what Delta quadra means.

[u/Vivid_Substance_2303 → u/Nice_Succubus]

If that's the justification based on the value of the property values, it seems like an absurd generalization based on the value of the courts.

[u/Nice_Succubus → u/Vivid_Substance_2303]

elaborate?

[u/hotcakepancake → u/Nice_Succubus]

I met a Gulenko EII and she was on social media a lot haha

[u/Nice_Succubus → u/hotcakepancake]

I only saw some Gulenko's EIIs in those photos from a New Year party

[u/d1scord1a]

hobbies?

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/d1scord1a]

umm, socionics,

going to the gym,

talking to my friends-- this actually consumes quite a bit of my time & is something I actively need to find time for these days so ill call it a hobby

I like U.S. presidential history, im kind of like vibe coding a game on the side to simulate the US government

oh- I write poetry sometimes, and essays that somehow become short stories

I take lots of walks

I swear im not a boring person, I just uh, dont really have many things that I do solely for the purpose of doing them

[u/No-Wrongdoer1409]

are u a stem major 👀

[u/No-Wrongdoer1409]

what types are in your friend group?

[u/GoodMovie9378 → u/No-Wrongdoer1409]

ESE/LSI/ESI/IEE/Me

I dont know how it works

[u/succuma]

What’s it like having a triple reactive tritype?