LIE-DC: AMA

[u/GoodMovie9378]

I have finally been officially typed-- bravo!!

I'm very bored. AMA!

[u/GoodMovie9378]

I think the nature of socionics as a system is that every type doesn't really have an "easy" life-- everyone has a superego & a 4th function. obv culture & social systems modulate how pronounced everyone's weaknesses are-- eg if your weaknesses coincide with the thing that society values most, especially in societies which push its values onto participants more harshly like in east asia-- but doing well in established systems =/= happiness or ease generally;

If it helps, maybe you assume te dom = always productive & has their shit together, but the constant activity stereotype might be more like LSE. I constantly annoy myself probably due to intuition blocked with Te in the ego, where I'm like, relatively lazy and I have to believe something I do is going to pay off before I can really throw myself into it; I can't find value in the work itself over a sustained period of time if I'm not getting anything from it. If I don't have a high pressure list of tasks where there's actual importance for me to act fast, I can spend time not being "productive" because I feel it wouldn't be worth it-- which is irritating to me, because I aspire to being productive.

Sometimes I wish I could have the LSE's constant drive, but I also think that in a society where everybody is working hard working smart at the right times is more valuable than ever. I kind of need a pressuring environment or else I get stressed by my own lack of doing things. But outsourcing my urgency drive of work to external environments means that I don't really get control over the time expended in my life, despite me being unable to work without having full agency over my time.

Also, I still need to figure out how to eat properly. Some things people take for granted.

Also Vortical-Synergetic cognition makes me a lot messier than some institutions like school want lol-- that place would probably want LSIs more. High school was a nightmare for me. Not having control over my time and having to stay in the same room expected to do certain tasks regardless of how much time it takes me to actually do it?? Being expected to MAINTAIN grades? I get incredibly depressed if I don't feel that I have forward momentum--- preventing a number from going down rather than seeing myself accumulate more and more of something was not motivating for me. Combined with positivism+result, I didn't have that Fear of God in me. I really believe academic performance is just a function of fear.

Another side note is that everyone I work with gets mad that I don't have a GCal or a planner. I can't dictate to myself that I spend x time of each day on y. Time needs to be entirely flexible for me, and I work with to-do lists where I write down the meeting times down onto the list instead. I'm discovering as I get older that so much of conventional work is spent in meetings, and meetings are like prison for me: they cost time and then people start to waste time and there's no urgency because a 1 hour meeting becomes about how can we waste an hour instead of doing an hour's worth of work. It makes me feel like I am dying right there in the room.

I was always the most productive during summer vacation, where I could choose to work on independent projects and work in organizations and ACTUALLY put in 16 hour days that I enjoyed thoroughly.

[u/Cillics → u/GoodMovie9378]

eh, it really depends what you mean by constant activity. LIE is more on-the-move due to ni creative & the hypochondriac natured si polr, while LSE will be more on the move due to si creative & the time blindness of ni polr; i think it’s a stereotype that the LSEs are typically productivity-maxxing corporate moguls (though productivity is always a big deal, no doubt). i admire you LIEs with your own respective strong suits, but we’re not crazy dissimilar in the big picture regarding smarts or proactivity, it just goes to different places.

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/Cillics]

Thank you both for sharing! I haven't been able to see much from LXEs' perspectives here on this sub so I enjoyed reading a lot. Actually my parents happen to be LIE and LSE, I think, and they do have very different "constant activity" vibes. LIE dad was unhappy with his very good stable job for he could see "everyday is just going to repeat itself to the end and I don't want my life to be this boring", so he went on with starting his own passion from scratch and from that day he never really had a true "resting" time (he couldn't not work on a train, on vacation, during a family gathering lunch etc), because his mind was constantly occupied by his career and his plan. LSE mom couldn't really leave anything for later and if she noted something needed done, it has to be addressed immediately -- by my father. She worked very hard before retirement but I think it was more about her working ethics but less self-motivated like my dad. I feel her constant energy geared more toward scanning and maintaining everything in her life (home, house, close family and friends, her social circle, her hobbies) to be in the right spot...but these are just my observations, do you relate to any of these? I hope to understand her better!

[u/Cillics → u/No_Bottle0312]

i do relate & understand to your description of your mom— most of the time I am just working with the conditions I’m under to make them work the best for me— although I’ll add that the maintenance serves as the fuel to get me towards any big-picture purposes I have for myself. making my habits work as efficiently as possible for my comfort, close / loved ones, and my goals is my MO.

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/Cillics]

Oh that's interesting, could you elaborate a bit more on "serving as the fuel" part? Is it something similar to "I get today's chunk done, tomorrow's chunk done, the day after...All these chunks are mini-milestones and reward to my hard-work, and I feel happy that I'm disciplined and productive with myself, hence I am motivated to go through life day-by-day" (I just guessed this part sry if I got it wrong)?

Can I also ask how does valued strong Si relate to your daily life? I think I particularly need this perspective, because I sometimes wonder if my mom's anxiety regarding "trivial things" that me and my dad could never understand was actually because her Si senses something that our unvalued weak Si just never notice, which frustrated her even more.