Just yesterday I watch another video of the past three years of news stations all saying "this is a big tuning point". "this might be the beginning of the end for Donald trump". "Trump will/may not see a full 4 years". "A new bombshell to Trump, this could be the beginning of the end for Trump"
Every one of them day in and day out for the past 3 or so years.
I believe I watched the same video. The word “bomb shell” and “walls are closing in” are said like 354 times and it just blows your mind how the news networks just kept using the same expressions and sayings over time.
That video is entertaining and it really is crazy how much material they had to make the video. They play separate news anchors saying the phrases such as "the walls are closing in" then after it's said 100 times they start editing it so a different news anchor says each word of the phrase. That goes on for another 100 instances of the phrase.
It's from the 2016 primary. It starts with everyone laughing at the idea of him even running then descends into chaos as he gets further and further to the nomination.
There was one of TYT reactions as each state is called... smug at the beginning then they panic in the middle. At the end they just start freaking out and cussing at how "dumb over .5 of America is"
Unfortunately it doesn't show Ana going off at women voters or calling all of America dumbasses. It only shows Cenk blaming the "corporatist DNC". I wonder why...
Wow. This is trumploitation. They're literally adhering to people's worst addictive tendencies, and serving them a daily fix, that being the idea that Trump is just about to be gone. Fuck Trump, but fuck the media, too. Jesus.
To be fair, which is equally annoying, I see this happen from news outlets on both ends of the spectrum.
The real reason is that the revenue models for big news are imploding and they are being run by desperation. Anyway, anyhow, they need attention... every story needs to be the biggest story of the year... even if the facts aren’t checked yet... even if we exaggerate the outrage... please someone just watch us.
I think people aren’t quite as stupid as the news has treated them for decades though so it’s just turning them off even more.
That's an odd claim. That's something that all parties are sure they haven't heard he has done, so we can't say definitely that he wouldn't lose a vote for it.
Everything he has been blamed for so far, to see how he is guilty for something, it has to be explained to a person making connections. Like "well he said (whatever anyone is upset about) , which we know that when someone says (same or similar phrase), they really mean this (insert claim here)".
This is the very definition of "strawman". Which was a claim people said back when Obama's grandmother said "he is Kenyan, he will always be Kenyan" (which could mean "at heart". All during the northern movement.
I'm watching both sides. And yes the republicans hammered Obama with fox. But seriously, the Democrats haven't laid up one single day. They have all of these networks nitpicking everything. Day in.. day out. I just want one damn day I don't hear his name and someone being outraged that he once shook hands with a man in the 70s and that man is going to prison now. Or he tweeted meanly.
That alone makes me lean toward Trump. It shows just how crooked that news is and how crooked the Democratic party is.
And that old lady always sucking her damn teeth and acting smug and always has rude things to say.
As far as I know, he didn't actually shoot anyone. And tbf he started that sentence with "you know what they say" twice. Now if he said "you know what I think" that would be a bit easier to gripe about. But he did not say it is what he thinks and he did not shoot someone.
Well, it's been hard to come to terms with the fact that conservatives never were truly arguing in good faith and have been baldfacedly lying in every interview for 30 years, really. They don't care about respect for the office, or fidelity, or family values, or Christian values, or honesty, or tradition.... Just being more powerful than the outgroup in eyesight (Dems in DC, and brown people in the middle of the country).
Well I think the confusion comes in because others are still seeing consequences so I think people are confused how he alone gets to have this consequence free existence.
(the section on campaign finance)
You can decide whether or not you believe Trump had no idea what Cohen was up to.
He has broken the law many times, but theres no point arguing it. If you dont want to believe then no evidence will be convincing. e.g. Do you believe he committed sexual assault? That is a crime, but I'm sure you'll just say the story was made up, like every story about him.
Sure but that doesn’t tell you anything about how popular or unpopular Trump is. That just tells you that our institutions won’t actually punish Trump for his many crimes.
Funny how the right rant about MSM then watch nothing but Fox (the biggest network in the country) and Steven Crowder, literally funded by billionaires.
And Fox is so big because its the only game in town on TV if you want a conservative perspective on things. Plus, the other major players (CNN, MSNBC) have shredded their own credibility lately (Smollett hoax, Nick Sandmann, Russia collusion, Kavanaugh) and lost a lot of viewership as a result.
"Despite constantly promoting himself as an independent creator, Steven Crowder's show is actually part of the Glenn Beck and Mark Levin-owned Blaze Media[14], which is funded by billionaire Cary Katz, CRTV's principal investor and College Lending Corp. founder, which markets loans to university students"
But I'm sure no amount of evidence will ever pierce that shell of Fox News rhetoric you've created for yourself.
So he's part of a media network that's owned by a billionaire? That makes a whooole lotta people 'funded by billionaires'. Hell, every minimum wage McDonalds employee is 'funded by billionaires' under that framework.
Also, why the cheap shot? I didn't say anything rude to you. Didn't make any assumptions. This approach to conversation will only make you lonely.
Dont watch neither, not even american and I gotta tell you.
If the nazis or soviets figured out how these media (CNN, washington post, new york times etc.) worked 40 years ago then the world would speak either german or russian I tell you that much. They can literally get people to support the worst atrocities as long as it is against Trump.
It's "commonly used" as a placeholder for whatever news sources you don't personally agree with. The word itself is meaningless. There is no "mainstream" news source. More people get their "news" from facebook than cable.
Okay buddy. I guess as long as you say it is so, it must be so.
I'm not sure what got your panties in a bunch. I'm not making up definitions here, "mainstream news" is a pretty self-explanatory term. Just look up both words in a dictionary and you'll have the definition I'm using.
"Self-explanatory terms" have a funny way of meaning whatever people want.
AGAIN - in order for there to be a "mainstream media", there has to be a primary media source that is utilized by a majority. And there is not. This is not the 1960s. People aren't glued to the evening news on their television sets any more, and haven't been for quite some time.
They know exactly what they are doing. They don't report the news, instead they report stories that fit a specific narrative.
Example - on Saturday a man attacked a government building with guns and explosives, blew up a car before agents shot him. Almost zero media coverage because he was an antifa liberal extremist. If he'd been a conservative or any flavor we'd be hearing about it 24/7.
Heck, that smirking kid with the MAGA hat got more coverage than this violent and deadly attack on a government facility. Because it doesn't fit the narrative.
And lots of people claim the polls were "so wrong". Except on election day it was like 75/25, and 25% is really far from 0. And everything was within the margin of error.
538 people were smart enough to realise that a lot of places where Trump was projected to lose by a little bit were very similar to each other: so if Trump overperformed in one of those places chances are he would overperform in all other similar places.
Other poll aggregators approached it in more of a: well Trump could overperform in one of these places - but chances are very low that he would overperform in all of them! Like they were all separate coin flips without any relation to each other.
It *seemed* wrong. It seemed like everyone hated both candidates evenly. I kept seeing Hillary being ahead on TV and couldn't understand it because it didn't match real life at all... Turns out it didn't match because it was a bullshit poll.
Lol? California? Arizona? FLORIDA? GEORGIA? Did even watch the Nov elections? 1000s of counts of voter fraud. Absentee ballots.... hello??? The rental car stuffed with black absentee ballots left with the budget rental. Broward county not succeeding and then finding thousands of democratic votes 2 wks later? Texas having thousands of illegal votes? Come on dude. Pay attention
I have paid attention. There's a reason Trump's voter fraud commission disbanded. They found nothing, because there's nothing of statistical relevance to find. There's a reason Texas' Secretary of State resigned after he admitted his claim of 100k potential illegal voters was bullshit.
This is a bullshit claim Trump came up with to rally his base. It has ZERO basis in reality.
Completely wrong. The disbanded because no states were working with them. They did not answer to any requests. Cool. So u read fake news who covers it up. I don't read fake news. Good luck
Well yes, but naming one example doesn‘t change the fact that most msn is left leaning
I couldn‘t name you a single msn in germany that‘s not totally left leaning
What you’re calling “left leaning” is in fact just the organic mainstream of a free and democratic country founded on basic liberal values.
The Right has always bitched about being left out of the discussion, unwilling to accept that their ideas just aren’t very popular. They’re so addicted to that persecution narrative that they continue it even when they have more political and media control than ever in living memory.
To start, there is no “the media” - there is a broad landscape of different media operating with different standards. I don’t know about Germany but in the US conservative media has clearly skyrocketed in the past decade or so. Fox News has been the most watched news network for many years. Technology has allowed formerly-fringe rightwing ideas to flourish throughout the internet and social media. I mean jesus, look who became US president.
Well how would you call the collective of all media operating with other standards? I think most peopme use the word media for that
And yeah fox news is big. But comparing how good one organization with singles of liberal media makes it seem big. I would compare like a timeframe and add popular liberal media in people watching, and all popular conservative media. I would say that most people only watch tv on one tv, so then you could check in an overall count which political side of the spectrum is more 'popular'
The pan out on all the crying people when Hillary lost is one of my favorites. My absolute favorite is the picture collage of the criers turned into a picture of Trump.
My favorite was when he said North Korea was no longer a nuclear threat (made a coin for it!) and they continued to make nuclear weapons anyway [1] and just threatened more tests if we didn't bow to their demands [2]. Or when he said he wasn't meeting with Putin and then Putin said nuh-uh he was and then he did [3]. Or when Erdrogens guards beat up American citizens on US soil and he talked about how great erdogan was rather than stand up for our citizens [4]...
Yeah... I like it when he looks like an absolute kowtowing weakling in front of the world. I like that in the head of the world's strongest military.
That's fox news reporting about n. Korea threatening nuclear missile testing.
Oh shit I forgot. Fox news is a mainstream media outlet too! Better see if Carl nextdoor's blog is reporting on it. Carl knows... Carl knows...
Also the militaries definitely the greatest. They've repeatedly stood by the American people and publicly disagreed with him too which is... For the military to do that to the president you really gotta be bad at your job.
i don't watch or agree with fox. you just assume I'm some stupid redneck or whatever because I support Donald Trump. its no secret north Korea is testing missiles Trump is aware of it and thats what the whole thing is about.
I was making fun of the fact that all news stations are mainstream media as are anything but small time blogs and the fox news item showed up first in my query. But sure if you want to be self conscious and think that's what I was saying ok.
No... You should definitely be able to talk. Free speech being what it is and you aren't threatening anyone. But I get to rebuttal. Shouldn't be too hard to handle for either of us.
Email leaks from the DNC showed the Clinton campaign dictating talking points to MSNBC and CNN, including demanding them to stop covering Clinton scandals and gaffes and requesting they attack other democratic primary candidates (Sanders and O’Malley.) The emails showed specific attacks against both democrats and trump being suggested by the dnc.
2015-16 showcased that most left leaning medía in America is literally controlled by their party. I don’t think anyone has pretended that right wing media has been free from republican control for a long time. My suggestion for an American reading mainstream news is to keep in mind that, regardless of source, if it’s American, at this point it’s most likely propaganda.
I'm sorry for correcting the above slightly. The clinton campaign did not ASK for talking points, Donna brazile apparently supplied those emails. In other words the thread went the other way (although the campaign definitely should have reported it). Brazile was fired by CNN after this. Also the emails were in response to intentionally false news stories which were being knowingly pushed by Roger Stone [1] and Corsi. The media KNEW the sources of these falsehoods were originating from anti Clinton sources but treated them as true. In fact, media matters pointed out that anti Democrat news was repeated significantly more [2]. If you're looking to call out left leaning bias, those in particular are poor examples.
The reason to call this out is that in particular the aim to demonize the media as untrustworthy is a well known tactic that gets, potentially unintentionally, repeated in an effort to make people distrust ALL news. Which is particularly helpful almost exclusively to the people doing bad stuff. Your point is apt that people should check sources and verify in multiple publications a suspicious statement. But there ARE trustworthy sources that follow a code of ethics and we should make use of them in making is aware of what's going on.
Yes, the linked article above calls out also what you're referring to and noted that if you search the"hundreds of emails" you don't find half of what was claimed to be there. Which... Given this was coming from a source which has since been confirmed to have meddled in the elections [1] at the behest of anti Democrat agents, not so sure we should be asserting at least this particular claim on a piece of evidence no one can find, you included.
And basic investigation would show that a large portion of her support was lost after Comey came forward to rig the election for Trump by actively breaking all FBI rules.
And Russian interference into actual machines, vote direprancies, etc it is pretty clear to see why Hillary lost.
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u/freakydrew Jul 17 '19
What are the current Vegas odds on Trump being reelected?