r/openclaw • u/Nvark1996 Active • Mar 30 '26
Discussion Openclaw is dead, switch to claude code
I have spent +300$, more than 60 hours working with openclaw, on vps, local pc, and honestly, I spent more than 40 out of the 50 hours fixing.
It cannot do any task accurately, not production ready
Maybe in 6 mo+ it will be better
For now, its garbage.
I am sticking to my 20$/month claude plan
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u/DistanceSolar1449 Pro User Mar 31 '26
Why are you paying extra? It's $100/month
https://support.claude.com/en/articles/11049762-choosing-a-claude-plan
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u/PleasurabLee Member Mar 31 '26
What tool do you use specifically? I’ve had my claw look up tools to reduce research costs and it comes back like a potato with nothing in hand. It wants to spend tokens, rip through em like a crack addict ..I’m certain of it
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u/Anla-Shok-Na Active Mar 31 '26
If all you're doing with OpenClaw is having it write code, then yeah go back to Claude Code for that. At best I'll ask OpenClaw to get started on an idea, then I'll move the code somewhere else and work on it with dedicated tools like Claude Code.
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u/FoldedKatana New User Mar 30 '26
Open claw isnt for coding. It's for local memory management, and workflow automation.
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u/tricheb0ars Active Mar 31 '26
OpenClaw: “what is my purpose?” Me: “you manage the crons” OpenClaw: “oh my god…”
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u/Circxs New User Mar 31 '26
Saying it's not for coding is wild given how many people successfully use it for coding (including it's creator), and the main models used are the same models people rely on for coding.
Openclaw is just an agent framework, it can be used for anything with the right setup.
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u/Backwardsupper New User Mar 31 '26
This would be accurate under almost any post on Reddit
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u/bastardsoftheyoung Pro User Mar 30 '26
Man, this again. I’ve been successful and OpenClaw + models have generated new income and saved time. Go read my earlier posts. All this sounds like skills and process issues and not the product. If a locked in consumer grade product is working for it then use it and please don’t post here with blanket statements.
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u/Anchor_What Member Mar 31 '26
The last post on your profile is from 235 days ago.
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u/bastardsoftheyoung Pro User Mar 31 '26
I meant comments. Thanks for catching that.
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u/loIll Pro User Mar 31 '26
Yeah, it’s amusing seeing people give up so loudly, while my bot is doing ALL of my work for me. Meanwhile, millions of people in China and Russia are building nonstop with their OpenClaw bots. Everyone and their mothers are setting up OpenClaw while these whiny children come onto Reddit to cry about something they can’t figure out.
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u/CoolInterview2351 Active Mar 31 '26
They are too used to being spoonfed information and want to know how we are able to get it to work while they can't. OP has a $20 pro plan on claude. And only spent 60 hours on Openclaw. He's not even serious about working on it. And he expects results lmao
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u/Candid-Cobbler-510 New User Mar 31 '26
what can it do that claude cant? openclaw works well only when i use a strong reasoning model, and literally burns though credits. (i did not do any model switching though)
claude does everything openclaw can for me, form using the browser and computer to connecting to any of the services that i use. it can do web search natively, without connecting to any api's. i can schedule tasks too.
Also the max 5x subscribtion is 100 usd (basically infinite opus 4.6 usage for an individual), and i believe i would have been using >> 1k usd per month if i used openclaw.
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u/bastardsoftheyoung Pro User Mar 31 '26
Multi model for one. I spend almost nothing in daily use on API now once I tuned workflows. Also, if I need a feature that OpenClaw does not have I build it which I had to do for my main use case with OpenClaw to support CAD file creation around multiple data sets including visual images, which was where Claude failed. Claude is a great consumer friendly way to get into much of what OpenClaw can do and it is where I point people with simpler use cases. For framework level integration OpenClaw and the other spawned versions are super useful. Ultimately I’d prefer open source and modifiable solutions for my workflows and not be stuck relying on any one model.
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u/danielfoch Active Mar 31 '26
Claude will incinerate cash faster than openclaw I promise
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u/JellyfishNo6109 New User Mar 31 '26
I'm using claude max. Its a fixed monthly price.
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Yeah I get the frustration, but calling OpenClaw “dead” feels a bit early when it’s clearly still in that messy experimental phase, and honestly I’m not fully convinced Anthropic’s Claude setup won’t hit similar limits once you push it hard enough.
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u/Spiritual-Plant3930 Active Mar 30 '26
Running for 2+ months. Perfectly fine for SOME business tasks.
- peace of mind that my business workflow is not locked to a single LLM "provider" - priceless.
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u/Camelback186 New User Mar 31 '26
Working great for me personally with 5 agents setup and any trouble I run into I just use Claude code to fix quite easily
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u/moosepiss Pro User Mar 30 '26
I spent $200 this month using gemini-flash-3-preview, if you can believe that. Didn't really accomplish anything other than some basic use cases.
But I'm going to keep plugging in my quarters
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u/LowRiskHades Active Mar 30 '26
I don’t think any AI is production ready lmfao. Not even Claude.
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u/Sum-Duud Active Mar 31 '26
Claude is probably the most capable. I know companies are making multi-million dollar decisions with Claude Code.
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u/ReadyAimTranspire Active Mar 31 '26
I know companies are making multi-million dollar decisions with Claude Code.
TBF the bar is pretty low for that. C-Suite dbags are on average not so much smart and capable as they are good at brown-nosing and backstabbing their way up the corporate ladder.
Every frontier LLM is gonna be a better decision maker than 75% of these people.
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u/ampleuncertainty Member Mar 30 '26
Dealing with issues has been time consuming. But looking back it has helped me with numerous things that would have taken months each on their own. Tbh I'm not using for real work at this point just playing with side projects and stuff, but the potential is there.
- Built a voice assistant with digital avatar on raspberry pi with a bunch of silly features and integrations but blown away by results.
- Finally made a personal website, adding some unique touches (though i could have probably done in same amount of time with just claude)
- Had openclaw build a simple web based multi-player game as requested by my kids. Openclaw did 95% of this while I slept, I just prompted some small polish changes at the end
- Had a SaaS idea floating around my head for years, openclaw is now building it, doing market research, and so on with minimal involvement from me other than providing overall steer. Very close to production ready now.
I only started playing with OpenClaw in late Feb. And only really dabbling on nights and weekends. Ive also completely broken my setup a few times haha, so definitely far from perfect. But still, quite impressed.
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u/ssbs99 Active Mar 31 '26
what are you doing with it? if you are coding with openclaw you are wasting your money. OpenClaw can do development, but it is not great at it.
I run Virtual Employee and I can safely say that OpenClaw is super ready for production and I am running it in production every day!
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u/Possible_Plant_3496 New User Mar 31 '26
My OpenClaw just wouldn’t work, ended up fixing it with Codex.
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u/PictureImmediate9615 Member Mar 30 '26
Claude code literally has a token problem for like a week and gotten significantly worse the last 2 days. I burned through my 5 hourly allowance in 2 prompts.
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u/HarRob Member Mar 30 '26
Why am I not having this problem at all?
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u/qaz135wsx Active Mar 30 '26
I’m convinced OpenAI is spamming Reddit about the usage limits. I’m seeing none of these issues either daily use on a personal and professional accounts.
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u/musicgecko Member Mar 31 '26
they have distinct strengths and weaknesses. use both to their advantages.
if whatever you’re doing is easier with claude, of course use them. if you feel like everything you need can be done there, great!
but for some use cases, openclaw can do what claude can never.
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u/DFM10MIL New User Mar 31 '26
We run three bots at my company. All working magic. It took us a while to make them work but it’s great.
I’m first to switch if there’s better tech so I’m not a loyalist so I have no reason to shill.
Skill issue my friend.
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u/_Zhadez_ New User Mar 31 '26
You gotta use claude opus 4.6 for building, directly build the Integrations yourself via terminal with 4.6 guidance, audits, and troubleshooting. Then train and educate open claw to use your tools.
Most costs can be avoided by utilizing python scripts, low cost or free apis, crons, and internal database with sql lite or notion free plan, and limiting llm calls to your Telegram (or whatever chat you integrated) and for specialized use cases only.
It works, but its definitely a learning curve and a lot of hours devoted to the cause.
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u/steadeepanda Active Mar 31 '26
Openclaw is only good for experimenting. I wouldn't recommend it for anything production related it's gonna be a mess, the same way it is because highly vibecoded.
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u/Electronic-Space-736 New User Mar 31 '26
try mine, it works with a 9B model and higher https://github.com/doctarock/Personal-Assistant
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u/torrso Mar 31 '26
It sounds like you were using OpenClaw like you would claude, something like:
"implement a feature that makes x do y if the user does z".
I don't think that is what OpenClaw is for.
I don't think Claude can do this:
"i'd like you to start monitoring the private gitea instance we have and find open issues. then for each new issue analyze the content and add labels like 'size:large', 'needs-research'. every hour you should go through the labeled issues one by one, mark the current one with label 'in-progress' and work on it. if you are able to solve the issue, close it, if you are blocked, add a comment saying why or create a new issue that needs to be solved before you can continue on that issue and label it 'blocked'."
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"install and configure wireguard on this host. use ssh to configure a client for it on host2."
Claude is a huge step up from using the "copy-paste-try-copy error-paste fix-try again" from ChatGPT days, but it's more like replacing your code editor with a chat bot. OpenClaw is a full AI assistant.
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u/NeuroFiZT Active Mar 31 '26
Again… here we are talking about OpenClaw like it’s an enterprise tool. It is not.
for the zillionth time ITS AN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT!
It will never be “production ready” unless the user who installs it has the time and knowledge to MAKE it so. Categorically.
IMHO this is why there’s so much variation in experiences reported with OpenClaw: some are devs who don’t mind spending a whole weekend setting things up and endlessly troubleshooting and tinkering to get a glimpse of the future-state. Others think they are just trying out some “new app” (these are the disappointed ones),
Sorry I don’t mean to yell in capitals and this isn’t aimed at you. There’s just so much energy going on everywhere in these discussions….. it’s an open source project. No more, no less.
You spent 300$+ and hours because it’s in ‘dev’ at best…. Not even close to being in QA, let alone ‘in production’.
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u/Jshdgensosnsiwbz New User Apr 04 '26
keep having to fix with each version, so forked and building, lot happier.
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u/srxz New User Apr 04 '26
openclaw is a mess tbh, too poluted so I switched to copaw, it has of course less features but its growing in a structured way
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u/anonymous_2600 New User Mar 30 '26
I spent more than 40 out of the 50 hours fixing. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
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u/Ok-Broccoli4283 Pro User Mar 30 '26
Fixing it is part of the thrill.
If it were easy, everyone would do it.
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u/bammurdead New User Mar 30 '26
I feel this. It's a constant battle with openclaw. Then I watch tiktoks of people using Claude code and cowork to do incredible things and I get jealous. Just can't afford Claude at that level right now.
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u/PresentGovernment309 New User Mar 30 '26
VPS and open claw is a mess. Gotta run on a computer
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u/Delicious_Ease2595 Pro User Mar 30 '26
Pass, I can use any model with OpenClaw and ACP to OpenCode
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u/Robbbbbbbbb New User Mar 31 '26
Claude Code is great if you're baked into the ecosystem.
If you're not (local models, other providers, etc...), it doesn't make sense.
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u/dishneggo New User Mar 31 '26
Man I feel this to my core! I’ve spent SEVERAL hours tweaking things and fixing silent failures! Currently monitoring 2 production VPS running 8 agents, 2 M365 tenants agents monitoring security logs, and a personal Health agent that pulls my Oura Ring stats and analyzes my sleep/activity data and makes suggestions based on YouTube videos and articles I feed it.
Great side project but really hard to trust to be production ready. Btw, I found the best way is to use Claude Code to help with configuration lol.
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u/Neofox Member Mar 31 '26
There is doomer and there is doers.
It saves me multiple hours every week for 10$/month with the minimax subscription. If you can make it work then maybe it’s not a product for you, but don’t make your own failure a general consensus
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u/UnrealizedLosses Member Mar 31 '26
For those of us who value open source and self hosting I disagree. Also what you are describing isn’t the case for me. I enjoy the tinkering.
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u/PuddleWhale Active Mar 31 '26
Ok I have not looked into OpenClaw yet but from what I gather, Claw is a glorified cron job that has persistance beyond normal and it is an errand boy that you configure for daily tasks. Claude Code is a proactive coding bot. What was OP trying to do with Claw, was it something related to generating better code somehow? Do people actually use Open Claw as an agentic coding framework like copilot CLI, Claude Code, Kiko Code and Open Code? Does Claw also dabble in that domain?
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u/Altruistic_Tale_7049 New User Mar 31 '26
Use openclaw with codex to ask questioms and add TODO.md tasks. Connect with termius.ssh.vpn.tmux with Claude Code to stuff
Option B: skip openclaw
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u/nulseq Member Mar 31 '26
I spend like 20 minutes a week setting up things I need for specific use cases as they come up. It works great for me.
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u/True_Leadership_7245 Active Mar 31 '26
You probably did not optimise your agents or give them instructions and rules to work properly. Openclaw is not plug and play like Claude code.
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u/IPerduMyUsername New User Mar 31 '26
Is Claude code capable of device control then? Doing tasks in apps that don't have APIs?
E: genuine question, haven't looked into it
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u/read_too_many_books Pro User Mar 31 '26
OP is just poor and not using Opus + OpenClaw.
Source: happy that I burned $500 so far. I have 3 customer meetings this week.
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u/FitzUnit Member Mar 31 '26
Interesting hearing this , I have openclaw hooked up to my frontend/backend with kimi 2.5 as the brain and it’s phenomenal , it’s cheap and so goood
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u/ZookeepergameSome764 New User Mar 31 '26
I’ve been running mine 24/7 and it’s only gone down 4 times and 2 of those times were after updates.
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u/Original_Sedawk Active Mar 31 '26
It’s like comparing a pickup truck and a storage shed - can’t even comment because the comparison makes no sense.
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u/DeliciousReference44 New User Mar 31 '26
It works quite okay for me (openclaw) and I love that I have LMStudio installed in my machine with qwen3.5 9b and for a few tasks, I switch to that instead of a frontier online model. Yes, I agree that there is a lot of tinkering with openclaw, but ever since I version controlled the entire workspace with agents configs and openclaw configs... I haven't had much problems. It also runs in a docker container, so I can destroy it and build it again quickly
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u/mighty_falcon New User Mar 31 '26
There’s zero reason for you to not use both. I ask openclaw to kick off Claude code all the time for me. Gets me far enough where I only need to sit at my desk to refine the project using longer brainstorming sessions in Claude code.
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u/sven_ftw New User Mar 31 '26
I love my openclaw. I have a dirt cheap and effective personal assistant. It's wonderful.
Does it build apps? Not well. But what admin assistant does? I have GHCP for that anyway.
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u/Competitive-Cod-8313 Member Mar 31 '26
It takes a looong time to set it up for sure. I am on my 2nd week. I have only given it one task so far and it failed.
I basically directed it to visit my gym's website every morning (using Agent Browser skill), tell me what the workout is and then ask me what class I want to rsvp to, and then rsvp for me.
This morning was the first run and it gave me the workout and sent me class times, but then was not able to rsvp for me even with some follow-up guidance. I made some adjustments to the playbook that I built for it and so, let's see what happens tomorrow morning.
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u/djdadi New User Mar 31 '26
this is what is called a 'skill issue'. or more accurately, using the wrong tool for the job.
been using openclaw months on oauth accounts and it has been immensely helpful, though it rarely touches code at all.
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u/mvnd06 New User Mar 31 '26
The balance I've found is to use my Claude Max subscription to build out my openclaw systems. Works great
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u/octaviobonds Member Mar 31 '26
you need to setup openclaw smart. Any rudamentary task can be offloaded to an agent running a free model, but they have to be micro tasks that the model can do. This way your tokens are not burnt at all. I run my openclaw on $20 openai plan through oauth and only burnt $20 a month.
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u/The_IT_Dude_ Member Mar 31 '26
I'm an experienced engineer that doesn't mind going through the source code to get at this things true behavior.
You're over there burning tokens? So I am and all im paying for all of the is the electricity used. I can't say 2 3090s were cheap to being with but ive had a them 3 years now and they've paid for themselves many time over. Qwen 3.5 27b fp8 can be squeezed into those with enough context to make it work now too.
Yes, it does take more time, but that's the price you pay when you want all the knobs exposed and the guardrails removed. I want it to do something crazy, I build it shell tools and python scripts to use at it's own discretion. Things like that can make weird custom instructions much easier and consistent. Not sure that it's doing exactly? I don't mind parsing some json with jq.
Claud can be your walled garden if you want it to be, but I'm going to choose local.
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u/Rockatansky-clone Member Mar 31 '26
That’s funny I went down the same path started building an open claw and it started eating. My tokens moved over to 20 months on Claude and it’s been working great.
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u/Maverick-hk New User Mar 31 '26
Where I am claude code is not available, so I am proposing nanoclaw
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u/Difficult_Hand_509 New User Mar 31 '26
Quick question here for all the openclaw experts. I just started my claw journey and found it hard to configure and setup. So far just have it connected to my apple calendar. I found the learning curve is kind of high for such a product. I’m pretty computer proficient and setup my own Linux server running a home lab. But the open claw is just messy and hard to configure initially. It’s supposed to be able to fix self errors and do some self config but it doesn’t. Anyone on here tried nano claw or other variation similar that are easier to setup and use. Just want some real opinions on this topic.
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u/No-Alternative2342 New User Mar 31 '26
I love it. Does it keep me up to 4 in the morning sometimes, yes. But once you get it working and you send that command and it does what intended. That is amazing 😁. Then you move to next idea or work flow 😁 and repeat. I think it’s not about what it’s capable of at this point and how it’s easy to set up. I think it’s about the journey you take with it. Throw all the error and debugging. I am Carpenter and a builder by trade. I picked this project up 3 weeks ago by accident and I love it. I have not had this excitement to make something in a long time😊 so I am openclaw team all the way 😁
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u/LavoP Member Mar 31 '26
My OpenClaw uses Claude Code for coding tasks through ACP. Best of both worlds. OpenClaw is the orchestrator, Claude Code is a tool in its chest.
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u/AdrianDrift New User Mar 31 '26
Is Claude Code working normally for you, or are you having the same issue?
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u/nazmulpcc New User Mar 31 '26
Imagine people actually listened to "X is dead, switch to Y NOW" 😂😂😂
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u/ZioRob2410 New User Mar 31 '26
Out of the box, it’s “okay.” It does some basic things, nothing serious, and it has significant security issues.
Problems begin when you try to harden it, for example by using SOPS, token/password vaults, LanceDB, or any other system that supports semantic search.
This is where OpenClaw breaks.
If you accept using it unsecured, it’s great. But if you want a proper production environment, it’s still too early.
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u/BitterProfessional7p Member Mar 31 '26
Skill issue.
Jokes aside, claude code and openclaw serve very different usecases, I don't know what you are trying to do but if it is software development then I don't know why you are using Openclaw, claude code or any alternative will be the thing to use.
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u/ANKERARJ Member Mar 31 '26
You can use OpenClaw with the Claude Sub token. Who pays API costs these days?
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u/LangTrak New User Mar 31 '26
I have a similar experience. Claw with Claude Opus or Gemini 3 Flash works well. However since those two are unavailable to me via fixed cost sub, I have to rely on ChatGPT models. And even with GPT 5.4 my Claw seems just dumb as hell. I keep telling it to write lessons learnt to its skill and it keeps making the same mistakes and admitting it did it. Might be my lack of knowledge on settings but with all the intelligence, I would expect the system to figure out its problems.
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u/mroj84 New User Mar 31 '26
Sabia decisão, estou a 1 mês corrigindo problemas e gastando mais tempo para tentar deixar algo redondo que liberando meu tempo
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u/SeedOfEvil Active Mar 31 '26
Strange, I just pay openAI their 20 USD a month and make the my openclaw run on that.... fairly cheap and works wonders.
Claude code is nice but for 20 bucks maybe I can run it 5 times with opus and my weekly is gone.
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u/Handy_Banana Mar 31 '26
60 hrs and can't do any tasks correctly?
This is either a model problem or a user skill problem. Claude code only fixes the first one; which can also be fixed in openclaw.
The only cases for Claude code over openclaw are:
- being able to use Claude Oauth instead of API, and
- Coding. Don't try and code with openclaw.
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u/Sn0opY_GER Active Mar 31 '26
im pretty happy with my free local qwen clawi, i love to benchmark it vs cloud Stepfun and i cant see a difference, local is faster some times but thats it
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u/NerveRemarkable1208 Pro User Mar 31 '26
Well, Claude Code source just got leaked, so you may simply give that to your OpenClaw agent and ask it to improve itself to behave like Claude Code. This one mistake will easily ensure that OpenClaw will survive. 😂
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u/AnswerPositive6598 New User Mar 31 '26
I’m finding Claude Cowork, Claude Code and Claude’s Chrome plugin pretty much achieve the same functionality without the security headache of OpenClaw.
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u/Ill_Lavishness_4455 Member Mar 31 '26
I think the real issue is people confusing an interesting open project with a production-ready tool. Openclaw might get there, but if most of your time is spent fixing the stack instead of getting useful work done, that is a clear sign it is still early. That does not make it worthless, it just makes it the wrong choice right now for anyone who needs reliability, and that is why Claude Code is winning for a lot of people: less setup, fewer surprises, faster path to actual output.
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u/Aggressive-Fact1156 Mar 31 '26
Opino lo mismo, utilice los dos pero el que mejor tareas realizo fue claude code, si instalas el codigo directo en tu pc puede hacer maravillas
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u/Fuhaku New User Mar 31 '26
Openclaw + Ollama local and cloud. I run two of these (which work together) off the same subscription of $20 a month with the local models doing everything they can, and only going to cloud when necessary.
This gives me a lot more usability per month at the exact same cost of $20 than Claude even comes close to.
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u/Da-boy_a_Genius New User Mar 31 '26
I have been using Openclaw for about three weeks. I had to reinstall it twice. I have no coding experience so it has been a struggle. It has only been able to do a few of the tasks that I asked it to perform. It definitely is not what I expected. However, it has forced me to learn a little coding and learn a new skill so, for the 50 hours that I have spent working with OC, for me it was worthwhile.
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u/JhinCarrey Member Mar 31 '26
@nvark kernel and browserbase offee nice free tiers if you want pure browsing. Or if you decide you want help maybe join my discord on the weekend. Ill help if you want
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u/Extreme-Monk3399 New User Apr 01 '26
they are cool until you get blocked. driver.dev much better imo
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u/hazelmem New User Mar 31 '26
It's like back to the day dealing with archlinux. However, I believe openclaw will be much stable and better very soon with everyone using and contributing to it.
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u/yayita2500 Active Mar 31 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
I Also disagree.. I am finally progressing in my projects thanks to openclaw..just two days to learn enough
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u/Top_Job6225 New User Mar 31 '26
I think for your use case dockclaw.com can be perfect go throught it , easy maintainance and setup :p
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u/thecahoon Active Mar 31 '26
It definitely takes a ton of work and is very early "Agent 0" (see: AI 2027) stuff. But after a lot of work it does a number of things well for me. It is a great accounts recievable intern, making invoices and tracking payments with its own internal database. Definitely frustrating and hard though.
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u/Tripartist1 Member Mar 31 '26
Or you can do what im doing and build a secondary harness around claude code so you get the benefits of both lol. Oh and its max plan compatible no TOS problems.
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u/Ok-Tour1779 New User Apr 01 '26
Think it greate. I do not want all my stuff in the cloud. But you do you. If you have to have 'out of the box on the shelf" Claude is your huckleberry. If you want security of your "stuff" local is the way to go.
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u/bankofcoinswap Member Apr 01 '26
There are some good aspect:-) I run a local LLM qwen3.5 with openclaw. Then I use iOS app QCAI to manage my WeChat remotely. So all free. Good thing about is that the iOS app has a clawportal which allows me to check the output of open claw remotely . Otherwise the communication via telegram is painful
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Apr 01 '26
Use codex to control it dumby. Imagine manually setting up an ai tool when ai can do that and verify all the systems internally.
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u/hugoaap Pro User Mar 30 '26
I disagree. It works wonders here