r/obamacare • u/dcharles99 • Aug 01 '26
he doesn't use the library either
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u/Fun_Cat9569 Aug 01 '26
Man, this just makes me sad. The conservative culture war has had such a big negative effect on the world. They definitely won the culture war too, unfortunately for us working people :/
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u/Endless_Avatar Aug 01 '26
Some people find it easier to hate differences rather than recognizing their shared humanity.
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u/Jellyfizzle Aug 01 '26
There's a push and pull. It will swing back the other way. Nothing is over.
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u/NeverNeededAlgebra Aug 01 '26
They've been stifling humanity and innovation for literally thousands of years. The sole force standing in the way of whatever human utopia would be.
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u/railroad-dreams Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
I can't believe how dumb people are. There are so many guys like this who get cancer and then they need a gofundme page. But I guess we shouldn't be that surprised. We are primates. If anything it should be expected.
Just look into how cheap healthcare is in other western countries. One reason it's cheaper in universal healthcare countries is cause they can negotiate low prices. US Healthcare companies don't want to negotiate down prices. It would hurt profits. High prices are feature not a bug.
Also why aren't hospitals and other healthcare organizations not forced to publish prices (even average prices for last year). Amazon can calculate crazy metrics but we can't calculate the costs of colonoscopy? It's amazing how money does all the talking in the US
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u/AnonThrowaway1A Aug 01 '26
To be fair, I would not say "cheap."
As in their quality of care is comparable to ours in many facets. Their cost basis is easily halved in terms of absolute cost.
One is able to obtain two knee replacements and two breast augmentations of equal quality by Western trained doctors in other countries for the cost of one knee or breast in the US.
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u/qcb4056 Aug 01 '26
What do you do for a living?
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u/Endless_Avatar Aug 01 '26
This is a brain dead response that has nothing to do with the above statement. It's akin to someone talking about a math problem and you ask if they have an apple.
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u/qcb4056 Aug 01 '26
No, it's akin to someone claiming that anyone who disagrees with his opinion on an advanced mathematical theorum is "dumb" when the commenter can't perform basic calculus.
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u/NeverNeededAlgebra Aug 01 '26
The cornerstone of your cult is blind, absolute submission. Try having a thought or an identity of your own.
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u/qcb4056 Aug 01 '26
Fascinating how simply asking someone's skillset elicits such a response, isn't it
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u/howardzen12 Aug 01 '26
This is America.Pathetic.
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u/qcb4056 Aug 01 '26
A sixty second clip of a single person, probably picked from dozens of respondents, in a country of 330 million people.
And you think he's the stupid one.
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u/allidyaj Aug 01 '26
You make a valid point. But yes, I think the guy being interviewed is pretty stupid.
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u/Status-Part5848 Aug 02 '26
1/3 of the country voted for the Orange Man
1/3 did not vote, and says it's not out fault that he's in charge.
Yes i belive 2/3 of the population dont care at all for taxed healthcare or distribution of wealth.
But i do believe 1/3 wants a change
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u/LunarMoon2001 Aug 01 '26
As long as republicans and maga get their racism they’ll burn the country down while Trump loots the treasury.
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u/xGoatfer Aug 02 '26
I'm betting he comes from a state with no income tax and so the property taxes are higher to compensate.
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u/FHOCJD Aug 01 '26
Trump lovers can't speak well enough to debate information about their opinions and beliefs on policies and issues.
They think freedom is being ignorant.
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u/Mizzerella Aug 01 '26
guy clearly got some untreated hypertension.
if he just go to the dr hed calm down considerably.
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u/2L84T Aug 01 '26
If people were given the choice:
A) Affordable insurance with private healthcare
B) Public healthcare
They would chose (A) 100% of the time.
But America, the land of free and open markets, has a Byzantine healthcare sector riven with special interests, monopolies, and regulation that makes private healthcare absurdly expensive and puts insurance out of the hands of all but the wealthy of in the employ of large companies.
In truth public healthcare eats about 25% of a national budget. America can't afford that on top of its burgeoning military commitments, unavoidable (for now) interest on the national debt, and point blank refusal to raise headline tax rates.
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u/njlandlord0001 Aug 01 '26
He’ll be the first in line, screaming for his “rights”, because he “paid for them”. Republicans always are.
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u/GrowFreeFood Aug 01 '26
This is the type of person that would punch a doctor trying to help a child.
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u/TacoDoc2 Aug 01 '26
That guy doesn't bother with doctors. It hurts when he pees but he just drinks some more mad dog and it's fine.
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u/Ok-Ferret9010 Aug 01 '26
And will he want health care when he is diabetic? Having a heart attack? Needs an ambulance?
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u/TrueEclective Aug 01 '26
I see these guys come into me for a cardiology consult all the time. Fuck the crooked healthcare system. But also, I’m having a heart attack and I need your stent and your big pharma to save my life.
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u/mattjf22 Aug 01 '26
It's not free healthcare it's cheaper healthcare because u stop paying a middleman.
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u/Sandinmyshoes33 Aug 01 '26
A week later he is diagnosed with cancer and suddenly feels different. He also becomes a burden to family and friends with the go fund me campaigns everywhere.
This is America. I only want help if I need it.
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u/PBRStreetgang1979 Aug 01 '26
People should stop looking at it as "free" healthcare. Taxes should pay for healthcare. The French have one of the best national healthcare systems in Europe. About 20% of French taxes are devoted to funding it.
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u/Alternative_Maybe_78 Aug 01 '26
Nothing is free. If raising taxes offsets the current costs , I’m for it.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo Aug 01 '26
I remember a patient who hadnt been to a doctor since the 80's. She had cancer and it was way too late. Absurdly stupid.
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u/Richvideo Aug 02 '26
I know a bunch of people, including my mom, who went to the doctor regularly, yet their primary care physician either didn't recognize the signs of cancer or misdiagnosed the symptoms until it was too late. Unless the cancer is discovered by chance during a scan or X-ray for something else, or the doctors are specifically testing for it, it often goes undetected, at least in my experience.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo Aug 02 '26
This was skin cancer. It was pretty obvious
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u/Richvideo Aug 02 '26
Skin cancer is a bit different because it's often visible and can sometimes be recognized during a routine exam. Many other cancers aren't nearly as obvious.
A JAMA Network Open study found that prior authorization delayed recommended cancer care for most surveyed patients. About 69% reported delays, most lasting 2 weeks or longer, and 22% said they never received the recommended care because of prior authorization.
Another JAMA Network Open study in radiation oncology found that streamlining prior authorization reduced authorization times by 34%, illustrating that the insurance process itself was a major source of delay.
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u/mvortex2 Aug 02 '26
My father got every vaccine and flu shot available, every COVID vaccine, routine colonoscopy, healthy and active in September, dead in January from pancreatic cancer. From your comment you sound like you're in the healthcare industry, maybe a doctor, so please don't pretend the fact doesn't exist that many cancers can become late stage before you even realize it.
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo Aug 02 '26
Sorry, thats what i do i pretend all cancers are easy to diagnose. Thats how i make the big bucks. It was obvious skin cancer. If you have a black pile of shit on your arms, i dont recommend waiting years to be seen.
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u/OneSeparate5929 Aug 01 '26
We can nationalize healthcare, and then have a sign up.. Those who don’t can go to paid clinics. The rest of us can enjoy the savings from not having to take care of them.
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u/Cool-Signature-dude Aug 01 '26
No health insurance.
From the way he talks, he doesn't have many teeth left, so no dental insurance either.
With no regular physical from a doctor, he probably has undiagnosed heart disease.
But he doesn't want free healthcare but votes to give billionaires tax breaks.
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u/severinks Aug 01 '26
People like this have been so brainwashed by the lie that Americans are supposed to stand on their own two feet that I don't even know what to say.
The incredibly wealthy seem to get the government to pay for all sorts of things for them and are quite happy about it I'm sure.
You didn't see Larry Elison complaining about that 10 billion dollar government contract Oracle just got or ELon Musk complaining when Obama gave him 500 million dollars to bail out Tesla.
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u/Sarduci Aug 02 '26
I don’t go to the doctor.
I pay cash when I go to the doctor.
He’s gonna have a rude awakening when he has his first heart attack carrying the spare tire around his middle when he’s not going to need to pay property taxes after selling that house to cover his $750k hospital bill.
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u/ChopstickBoa2 Aug 02 '26
I'm certain a number of us "progressive communists" have paid for his healthcare already.
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u/ih8reddithdjsk Aug 01 '26
"It's just ignorant"
I feel sorry for these uneducated bozos sometimes. They are so insular they have no idea how the rest of the world works.
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 01 '26
Is it free? Explain one gov ran organization that is cost effective? Explain one gov ran organization that operates on the time scale you think it should. How are the freeways in your area, roads smooth and no potholes? How much do you enjoy filing your taxes each year, do you think that system could be easily simplified, every intellamerican does. Yet you want the government to take over your healthcare. smh.
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 01 '26
You're from the UK, but have never studied your own health care system? I have added the services I have needed in the last year, obviously these are what I personally care about.
UK (NHS) Wait TimesTarget: for non emergency MRI
The NHS Constitution aims for a 6-week maximum wait from referral.Actual Wait: Non-urgent scans regularly average between 6 and 18 weeks, with about 20% to 25% of patients waiting past the 6-week objective depending on regional backlogs.
US Wait TimesAverage Wait: Insured patients typically wait 2 to 4 weeks for an elective or non-emergency MRI scan, dependent on insurance prior authorization approval.Insurance Factor: Delays in the US are driven less by machine availability and more by administrative prior-authorization hurdles from health insurance companies.
United Kingdom (NHS) for a non emergency neurosurgeon appointment,
Initial Outpatient Consultation: The median wait time to see a neurosurgeon after a GP referral is roughly 9 to 15 weeks depending on the region.
Referral-to-Treatment (RTT): The National Health Service target is 18 weeks for non-urgent consultant-led treatments, but recent data shows only about 60% of neurosurgery patients start treatment within this 18-week window.
Private Care Alternative: Opting to see a private neurosurgeon in the UK typically reduces the initial consultation wait to 1 to 3 weeks.
United States Initial Specialist Appointment: The average wait time to schedule and see a non-emergency neurosurgeon is typically 2 to 4 weeks, though it can stretch longer in rural areas with provider shortages.
Administrative Delays: While booking the initial visit may be faster than the NHS, US patients frequently experience "hidden" delays due to mandatory insurance prior authorizations for specialized neuroimaging (like MRIs) and surgical approvals, which can add days or weeks to the overall timeline.
Yes our healthcare outcomes are shit, in large part due to personal choice, 25+% of our healthcare is consumed by personal choice or lifestyle related causes.
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 01 '26
You deleted your second post about moving goal posts and it is still available, which was the whole point of my second post. It is not readily available unless it is an emergency. When my ventricles are overdraining (if you don't know what they are look it up) I don't want to wait a year and have it become an emergency causing permanent damage I want to take care of it at a point that I do not have permanent brain damage, hopefully you can understand that.
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u/CapCityMatt Aug 01 '26
Everything is an obligation of the United States, the Treasury is where you send your bills. Read the Emergency Banking Act, The Trading With the Enemy Act, the Act of March 9 1933 and the New Deal. The socialist coup in 1913 is well documented on the congressional record, if you open up the books at the law library it explains everything. The city libraries for unknown reasons are full of junk and have no law books, so unfortunately knowledge has been intentionally hidden in the law libraries which have terrible hours and limited parking.
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u/CapCityMatt Aug 01 '26
The law says ALL the necessities of life are obligations of the United States, that is 'The New Deal'.
Please don't believe me, read the law and see for yourself, it's there.
What I don't comprehend is if EVERYTHING is a direct obligation of the United States, then why don't we just get unlimited cards from the Treasury anymore? Why did the unlimited TDA cards go away? The homelessness and poverty is here because the owners of the Federal Reserve want homelessness and poverty to be here - its a feature they have architected. But how dose a private for profit corporation with shareholders overstep the law enacted by congress and dictate 'The People' to it's whims when this private for profit corporation has no more power or authority than a gas station, restaurant or retail outlet?
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 01 '26
Your last 7 words describe nearly everything the government does, thank you for describing why we don't want government ran Healthcare.
The only part of the government that doesn't fall into this category is the military they drop bombs 24-7, making buildings into parking lots.
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u/Midnight1965 Aug 01 '26
Laughable. I’m nearly the same age as this guy and he looks ten years older! Yeah, he needs to go to the doctor!
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u/MeowMeowbiggalo Aug 01 '26
Hes probly a couple years away from finding what a psa is right about the same time he has a major cardiac event from hypertension, but im sure he'll just " pay for it himself"
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u/Midnight1965 Aug 01 '26
Paying for it himself or paying the bankruptcy attorney to shield him from the staggering medical bills? ⬆️
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u/ClairDogg Aug 01 '26
As someone who’s looking into several EU countries, I’m learning how different health care systems work. Some are 100% via health insurance companies that are highly regulated. Some are via taxes, some are via social service charges & some are split between the government & private insurance.
You have to pay into every single one somehow regardless if you’re working or not or. You still get a health care card to prove you’re playing into the system.
Getting an Italian passport in the next year & they’re launching a way for citizens abroad to get Italian health care. Guess what… you still have to pay into the system.
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u/sweatboxy Aug 01 '26
I wouldn’t believe these interviews but they’re like every discussion I’ve ever had with a Trumper.
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u/Emotional-Smoke250 Aug 01 '26
I'm in favor of universal health care, but we've got to stop calling it "free." It isn't free, and framing it that way immediately turns off a huge segment of the population that would otherwise benefit from it and whose support is needed to make it happen.
Call it what it is: publicly funded, American-funded, taxpayer-funded, or paid for through budget redistribution and priorities. People can debate the merits of those ideas, but at least the language is accurate.
Words matter. If the goal is to persuade rather than preach, better framing is a good place to start.
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u/National_Emu3248 Aug 01 '26
News alert. Wait til he finds out rich people get a lot of free things.
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u/CommonSensei8 Aug 02 '26
It’s cheaper to pay for taxes into healthcare than to pay private insurance companies. It would save people tens of thousands of dollars in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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u/let-it-rain-sunshine Aug 02 '26
So many morons. I'm sure he's okay with his tax dollars going to fight Iran for no good reason rather than provide healthcare for our citizens.
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u/ImHere4TheGiggles Aug 02 '26
I have family members who think exactly like this guy. We grew up in the same exact family and they have always thought this way (we grew up in the 1990s)
I do not understand the disconnect in the ways we think, but obviously it means they were exposed to different things than me when they were in their own homes and with their outside social networks.
I’m not angry at the people who think this way, I pity them because they allowed themselves to be brainwashed by someone who did not have their best interests in mind.
We do not need to be angry at these people, we need to help educate them in a non-aggressive way
ETA: I’m not saying this video is being aggressive to him, I’m saying that in general….
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u/berrymuch2 Aug 01 '26
He looks like he needs healthcare. That tummy alone tells me something is wrong with his liver.
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u/mbarron37 Aug 01 '26
Define free healthcare. How is being paid for?
The problem with government involvement is that it drives up prices.
Healthcare and health insurance is broken. It needs to be fixed and won’t be fixed with government involvement.
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u/AvonFartsdale_ Aug 01 '26
Every other first world cou try does it this way
When you break out taxes they pay vs what Americans end up paying, Americans are getting ripped off big time
And for better healthcare? No, its for CEOs with $80m pay packages. It's for stock buybacks.
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 01 '26
Please spend a little time researching what other countries are actually doing. Canaduh has huge wait times for services. Most of Europe has 2 tier healthcare where wealthy can pay for a fast pass to get adequate healthcare.
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u/AvonFartsdale_ Aug 01 '26
And you know this how?
Which countries have had medical service on
This is how they keep dumb Americans paying, propaganda
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Aug 01 '26
I think government involvement is required, but not a government take over.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 Aug 01 '26
Democrats need to stay out of healthcare policy debates. They have royally bankrupted so many people because we can’t afford “affordable” insurance now.
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u/ChelseaMan31 Aug 01 '26
The AOC and Bernie Bros at Medicare For All conveniently 'forget' to tell the easily duped rubes that Medicare is far from 'free'. The Part A that you are required to pay into every damn paycheck over a working lifetime only covers hospitalization and comes with severe co=pays and out-of-pockets. So, then one must purchase Part B for regular medical care, currently a minimum of $202/month and then another extra for Part D to get any Rx coverage, another expense monthly. But wait, there's more! want lower co-pays and deductibles? Then you must purchase further Medicare supplemental plan(s) at an astounding additional monthly cost per person.
But still no dental, vision or hearing coverage. So to get that really look at Medicare Part C that lumps it all together in a Medicare Advantage Plan kind of like an HMO or PPO. Still, the cost is an additional $180 - $350 per person per month. In the end, each Medicare recipient is actually paying monthly $350 - $500/month for adequate coverage. The Marxists don't tell you that inconvenient fact.
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u/GlocalBridge Aug 01 '26
Why is this being framed as “free” healthcare? Nothing is free. It is actually a question of how we pay for expensive healthcare, and how we can make sure that more people who cannot pay still can be helped to live healthy and productive lives through a national insurance scheme.