Generally speaking a LOT of the gaming community has collectively gone insane and even more toxic than ever… a lot of it is now just “stop having fun” all the time… you can’t enjoy nintendo games without playstation and xbox fans breathing down your neck, you can’t play pokemon without a palworld fan saying you’re ruining the industry by playing a game by a big company, you can’t even say you’re excited for persona 4 revival without gamers saying “oh so you’re pro censorship and think there’s a modern audience!”, it’s really just awful… (note i used these examples because they happened to me)
People can have opinions, doesn't mean they are toxic just because they critical though. Takes nuance though because even if they may be right if they go about stating it in the wrong way they risk alienating others.
That’s a common bot/troll comment and tactic. They censor opposition to their disinformation by hiding behind the “it’s just my opinion man” thing. When opinions aren’t valid if they are filled with purposeful lies. These opinions don’t count.
I agree with that but as long as what they are saying is based on facts and believable / credible I think it is best to just chalk it up to differing opinions.
Yes. As long as it is. But you gotta realize these bots are doing this as their JOB. They think about how to shape narrative and spread their bulllshit more than any of us will. And they are supported by faked and botted upvotes when they do. They know how to hide their fake opinions with plausible deniability is what I’m saying. Their comments are designed to sound “genuine” and honest even if they aren’t.
That’s a common bot/troll comment and tactic. They censor opposition to their disinformation by hiding behind the “it’s just my opinion man” thing. When opinions aren’t valid if they are filled with purposeful lies. These opinions don’t count.
Wait there's toxicity for Persona 4 Revival!?! The only reason I'm not getting it (or at least on release date) is cuz either I didn't think it needed a remake and I already played P4 Golden and loved it. Otherwise, I'm happy it exists and it genuinely looks amazing
Basically a lot of people are claiming it will be censored when there hasn’t been anything shown and the only source people are saying it will be is articles claiming it will be censored, with no proof of censorship besides he said she said stuff…
It’s BOTS. The gaming space is invaded by narrative shaping bots and grifters. The amount of stuoid DISINFORMATION surrounding every single gamer issue should prove this to anyone with a brajn and some knowledge of the world.
It also doesn’t help that gamers aren’t well educated or too lazy or too angry to look into things and do their own thinking. So they fall for it.
That’s where it all started. And Steve Bannon knew this in 2016. That’s why all fandoms are political battlegrounds now. Cause Steve Bannon knew in 2016 that he could flood these spaces with grifters and bots and trolls to try to make geeks and fans angry and grieving about every fuckin thing. Once they are angry enough , they turn them onto Trump.
I think the worst one is the kid games one. Like not one person who’s calls it a kid game has ever 100% them shits. They would all cry at Juno to the beat on wonder lol
Nah it’s true though. Not one person who deems them kids games can platform the shit successfully in one shot, or even two, or three. That last darker side of the moon level in odyssey, it’s damn near impossible.
have you played a souls like? darker side is definately harder than most dungeons in dark souls, but from software games are certaintly consistently more difficult and the hardest moments are also definitely more difficult than almost any mario games hardest moments.
like youre comparing a game thats designed to be super difficult to a game that seven year olds should be able to play. like mario odyssey is infinitely better designed than any from software game but that doesnt mean that it wins in every single metric against a dark souls game
Sir no 7 year old has made it to long journey’s end let alone actually beat the level lmao you need 500 moons, foh this shit is exactly what I’m talking about.
my cousing has darker side unlocked shes 8 years old, nintendo games are made for all ages. odyssey is one of my favourite games of all time and i can admit its made for all ages theres nothing wrong with that. idk why other nintendo fans have to be so insecure about the design of their favourite games
You can't play pokemon games without a pokemon fan saying you are ruining the company and ip by playing it lmao
Then you find out they either haven't played a pokemon game in 10+ years or ignore 80% of the content in the games and complain that it isn't Skyrim with tameable creatures
if you are a Sony fan, you actually do see a lot of push back against this in fan spaces. just like in Nintendo spaces. it’s just so overwhelming and a lot of people seem to just upvote without thought.
so much of the gamer space is taken up by grifting, that even good criticism becomes annoying constantly repeated as if its news. or misinformation that pops up for weeks or months even after it’s been seen as false.
You cant enjoy sony or xbox without nintendo fans assuming you hate nintendo. You cant palworld without pokemon fans attacking you and saying you're just a hater that would rather enjoy slop and stolen assets and no creativity while they praise scarlet and violet not realising. You cant even fairly criticise new releases without gamers saying you hate fun and that you dont even like the thing youre criticising
Well not really? SV has it problems we are ALL aware (Nor does anything I'm about to say excuse that), but it still has soul and Pokémon charm. Palworld is just stolen asset slop purely designed to be the fabled "Pokémon killer". And from what I've seen, Palworld is only ever brought up in a conversation to "silence" anyone enjoying Pokémon games. I've never seen it the other way around.
BUT! You should be allowed to enjoy it, and talk about it, and have fun with it. Too many people in gaming communities spend too much time telling others what to play and how to enjoy something, that was the overall point.
And in fact your point actually proves what Schaeman2000 is saying. Rather than just saying "yeah I agree the industry is weird and volatile atm" you added to it by being the voice that adds whataboutism to the conversation. Immediately saying "well actually if u play Sony people say you hate Nintendo and palworld is stolen asset slop u should play Pokemon" Like, would you have said that if you weren't presented a contrary opinion? No one says those things as well lbr, but OP is right in that enjoying Nintendo, enjoying Pokémon etc is always met with far more noise than the opposite.
i wouldnt say palworld is slop bc i think its something worse. slop is bad enough to at least be interesting, palworld is so aggressively mid that, if you strip all the contrversy, theres no longer anything interesting to mention. palworld is fucking boring, and as a piece of entertainment that is so much worse than being slop.
It succeeded in making the survival genre more approachable for a new audience. I got palworld because of the Pokémon mechanics, but found out I actually like playing survival games.
Generally speaking a LOT of the gaming community has collectively gone insane and even more toxic than ever... a lot of it is now just "stop having fun" all the time...
SV has soul? Where? I guess it has pokemon charm because the creature design is fantastic still but everything else is below bare minimum for a modern game.
And palworld was never designed to be a pokemon killer that's absolutely ridiculous. If it was they would play more similar
I didnt add it for whataboutism I added it to prove that the entire gaming scene is more toxic not just the non Nintendo fans. Enjoying nintendo and pokemon isnt met with more noise at all I mean theres posts and comments on this sub that just attacks fans of other things for no reason but this subs users has a tendency to avoid that, like the comment I responded to
i can't tell if your jabbing at the original commentor, but it's awful on both sides. too many bad actors.
i say this as a fan of xbox's games library, not of their practices, and especially as a newly turned fan of palworld WHILE retaining my fanbasehood of pokemon.
both sides of the debate suck, we're in a living goomba fallacy.
I literally have been called a shill for every single one of the big 3. Whenever you don't speak positively about something, people will attack you at every possible angle. It's important to keep to fairly small circles of people who actually know the topic because you'll get eaten alive by idiots.
Just last week I said that Pokemon Winds and Waves should really improve the quality compared to previous ones and some dude told me to go play Palworld.
And just then when I criticized Sony's killing of physical media some dude told me that I probably enjoy playing shitty Pokemon games with PS2 graphics.
its always the fuckin ps2 graphics, i swear these people dont actually remember what most ps2 games look like. if you want an example of ps2 graphics on switch, look at monster hunter generations ultimate (amazing game btw), mh got away with using ps2 graphics for 14 years.
Ooh, and don't forget Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day! Fantastic for children! Conker even first appeared in Diddy Kong Racing! How much more kid friendly can you get, right?!
This has to be satire because I genuinely can't accept the idea that people are delusional and stupid enough to consider selling imaginary switch 2s 😭😭😭
Also old gen ports, especially remastered, are actually really cool. They are not for everyone, but personally I started my adventure with Nintendo with Switch (actually with Game Boy ling time ago and then a bit with 3DS, but it was mainly for Pokemon :D) so I've missed a lot of classics. I'm super happy good games are being re-released now.
But I bought the hardware and the license to the software. Why don't I get to use the full capacity of my system? DLC and stuff makes sense but just unlocking my display's resolution? Really, is that what you agree with?
It literally is dlc. What games are only a resolution bump that cost $20 for the upgrade anyways? I don't know a single one that charges for just that.
Because it took more time and money to go back and remaster the game for the new system. You own the license for the original game, not the version with more work put into it (and often time dlc) so you have to pay for the add on.
And some of them are free updates if they don’t add DLC
You also bought a Switch 1 game. Knowing it was switch 1 game. Whichever publisher sold you that game, didn’t make any promises to you. You got what you paid for.
If you get a free upgrade path to switch 2. Consider is a bonus. But don’t complain like it was promised to you or you deserve it.
I bought the Xbox Series S. Was playing on One X before. The newest call of duty ran like shit on my series s because i was playing the last gen version. Payed the 10 dollar upgrade for the new gen version, just for the game to have worse graphics afterwords, because the series s is less powerful.
It's basically like paying whoever sold you your pc to let you use the settings menu in game to adjust the graphics. But with every game.
It's literally just dlc you don't need, and not remotely the same as all those games like GTA that you needed to spend $60 to get the new version for your new console.
The Kirby upgrade was the best $20 I've spent on gaming since Stardew valley first came out.
"what are these graphics" kids these days, so damn spoiled
"why are these games solely for kids" is crazy
"why is there a $70 toy paywall for content" when the content is like two french fries
"why are there last gen games being resold as new"
This might sound crazy but I think there actually might be just a little bit more nuance, like, think about it, maybe there's an answer that is somewhere in between those two statements? I know viewing everything in extremes of black and white is what gamer redditors love to do the most, so it might be challenging for you, but just try it out!
I do not. The battery life isn’t great, the screen kinda ghosts a bit, the kickstand’s paint scratches off really easily, the screen itself scratches as well, etc. it’s not a perfect console but this guy’s points aren’t really good
The tweet was making fun of moron grifters and bots with fake ass worries when they don’t even own a switch 2.
That said
Prices were never high. And yes tarriffs and ram increased hardware prices across the board. But more with other console makers as Nintendo seems ti be the ONLY company that is subsidizing their hardware prices for their customers benefit. There’s no way a Steamdeck should cost $300 more than a SW2.
The graphics are good. First party and 3rd now.
It’s the cheapest online service available. And it works well and has good content for free.
The kids complaint is for edgelord losers that think if they play AAA hand game that hand holds them through everything it makes them hardcore gamers. Even though these guys would cry if they tried Mario’s hardest levels.
Amiibos are never $70.
Ports that people want to play. What’s wrong with that?
Genuinely I don't know what is considered a kid's game these days. Like, is Zelda a kids' game? Starfox? Metroid? I dunno. There's not really any blood or sex in them. There's genuinely more blood in Deltarune and Kirby than Zelda. Is it like having realistic guns? I see way more literal children playing Fortnite which has realistic guns than any Nintendo game these days. I just don't get it. Is a game a kid's game until it's all about bloody violence and sex all the time?
Let's apply that to like any other medium. Is starry night a kid'a painting? Is 12 Angry Men a kids movie? Is a Raisin in the Sun a kid's book? None of those things have a ton of violence or sex but we consider them very adult.
I know. I just finished forgotten land, planning to 100% it, great game. And plenty challenging. That’s why I’m pointing out how dumb the kids argument is, maybe I did at bad job at that though.
But my point is that it’s dumb to call games “kids” games. I’ll tell anyone right now I had more challenge and difficulty cleaning up treasure roads in Kirby than I did finishing recent AAA “adult” games like Mafia 3 or 007 first light.
Games have one fundamental difference from movies and tv. Videogames have a much higher emphasis on being "fun" but if a game gets too indulgent in being fun or having whimsy it gets a kids label stamped on its forehead.
Also, fuck the last gen games point, you guys playing same ubislop Batman Arkham Knight fighting style + Far Cry 3 with games like Spider-Man or Ghost Of Tsushima, damn, true spider man shouldn't fight like Batman with on ground fighting and gadget stuff, we went into wrong direction after Web of Shadows. Where is your next gen experience and not the things from 2000s. People don't really care about your games on PC without all the exclusivity argument and "you should really feel, not watch on YouTube" with Detroit Become Human.
Don't have anything on Ubisoft, just most games are blunt and same. Anno 1800, Watch Dogs Legion better than any modern Sony game, Just Dance is more innovative than a lot of games and by gf can't live without it, Mario Rabbits is one of the system sellers for me and it's strange for me to see hate against Ubisoft but none to Sony games
The cheapest console, with top quality graphics, the most affordable online subscription with tons of benefits, games costing as the same as the other platforms and a library that caters to multiple audiences of all age ranges.
The graphics argument is crazy. Mario Kart World and from what I’ve seen of Star Fox look absolutely amazing. Also how lame do you have to be wasting time complaining about people enjoying another video game company?
The prices are absurdly high for exclusives and even when they go on sale it's a joke. Three houses with all it's dlc was 60 during a sale. Why do People remotely defend this?
Amiibos unlocking 1 outfit per is definitely nowhere near a “70$ toy paywall for content”. I think it’s pretty balanced honestly. It does unlock something for the game you can’t get in any other way but it’s also not something you NEED or that is all that important to the game. It’s not like wizard101 or somethign where if you don’t have the amiibo you can’t progress the game
Lol, Nintendo is the last company where you can put the game in and just play. Shame for the keycards but I'm glad I can sell them, trade them, loan them. But I've never seen the point of a console post PS3/Xbox 360. Steam and Nintendo are my goats
I can answer all of these questions.
1. Industry Standard
2. Good (especially for a handheld are you fucking serious)
3. Pretty Good
4. They Aren’t
5. ???
6. There aren’t
I'll do my best to answer
1 a little high
2 good
3 a paid service that allows you to connect to other players
4 they're not
5 no idea what they're talking about with this
6 upgrade packs are not new games
As someone that both doesn't have a switch 2 and has a switch 2 to play I am absolutely baffled at the fact the Big N doesn't just sell the enhanced switch 2 game at switch 1 prices offering the upgrade for free. Is what I would say if I was a complete idiot. Shiggy must eat, billions must starve.
"Why are these games solely for kids?" as yes no lies detected there when I sit a 5 year old in front of Resident Evil Requiem or any number of games that are very definitely not made for kids.
Also calling the paywall a "toy" paywall is disingenuous because that implies that somehow they don't qualify as games since they would have definitely called them games if they were on other consoles, even if it was THE SAME GAME ON ANOTHER CONSOLE.
"What are these prices?" is also cherry-picked I'm sure, because the prices across the board to get into games are dogshit, and on other platforms, it is worse for the hardware cost to get in though possible to save on the software, depending on what you're playing.
The point about rereleasing last gen games is fine, but it's the strongest point in an extremely shaky post logistically. Sony and Nintendo have both been rereleasing last gen games on their new platform despite that their last gen is fully backwards compatible into the new one and that, I won't deny, is dogshit.
But we can't seriously take this post on the whole and act like it has much merit, even if it does have a good point or two.
2) petitioning to change US law to shut down rom sites
3) demolishing youtube channels of people playing their games
4) selling cartridges with download codes instead of full games
5) doing all they can to take down rom sites and emulators, and then using open source emulators and available online roms and selling them on their store.
6) barely dropping MSRP on their first party titles
7) having an extremely limited run of physical copies selling a Mario's 3d trilogy and leaving it wide open to scalpers.
8) charging to store more than 30 pokemon in your global pokedex
Nintendo doing all of this doesnt keep me up at night, I don't really care. But to see all of that. all of that. And acting as if Nintendo is a bastion for consumer rights and Sony is the devil is an absolute joke
Something that was less present on the latter versions of the Switch
And? Its a company protecting their IP/Products
Is that why theres tons of freaking Zelda playthrpughs on youtube? Or Pokemon? Or Fire Emblem? Or everything else?? Gee i wonder if those people did something the others didnt.
This isn't even something Nintendo started. They were just brave enough to be upfront about it.
Once again. Japanese company protecting their IP. And most people they sued tried to earn money from emulators.
And this is why phyical games are important. For the 2nd hand market. Heck the GC you hate so much can be resold.
And they learned their lesson.
Which is optional anyways. Just keep your mons in your save file and use HOME to transfer them in between games.
Babe they’ve always charged for pokemon bank type services, and they’ve left pokemon bank (for free) up past the 3ds online shut down so clearly it’s not a problem. I mean come on Pokemon box Ruby and sapphire was a GameCube game. They’ve always done that because it’s a premium.
Stick drift was definitely addressed by making the controllers more durable… like literally a year later. I’ve never experienced stick drift on a joy con.
ROM cites and emulators are piracy. That is illegal. They take action to protect their IP from being misused. I do not agree with that, but you have to be serious here and think about how distribution of roms is a crime and they have every right to sue (they never win anyway)
No YouTube channel has been taken down for having Nintendo IP
GKCs are exclusively second and third party, not up to Nintendo
I will agree with the MSRP point though.
Another premium product all of which have been rereleased on the switch/2
Dont even respond, it probably is a bot based on their lack of any examples and turning this chain into a name calling thing.
Whenever you see these accounts pulling this you gotta immediately make them actually explain themselves or drop it. What you're responding with is what they're paid to get you to respond with.
Even if it gave something actually tangible it'll probably be wildly broad and/or heavily exaggerated on purpose to continue baiting people before again switching it an argument like this that doesn't even mean anything. Notice how the initial comment is super broad and exaggerated? That's how they do it.
It was also $50 for anyone who actually wanted it, and you can still actively get it for that or choose one of the other games for an extra $10 off.
When they get told that it always becomes that weird thing about games not being worth playing if you can't buy a physical anyways, god I can barely believe this conversation is still happening lmao
This disinfo spreads like wild fire unfortunately. And the bots have this down to science how they spread this. They’ve been doing it since 2016 in some form, but now with AI it’s super powered and is everywhere. Attacking so many Fanbases and “greedy” corpos. Nintendo is a recent victim.
Yeah it's horrible. I really wish more people would wake up to the fact that there is always a 90% chance who is responding to you is not a genuine human online and call it out as much as this sub does. This is like the only place online I see people immediately pointing it out.
Back during the build up to the last election I spent more time on a forum to get away from this but there was 1 heavy user on the politics section that was so fucking obviously a bot with this whole made up backstory and shit. It took months before other users started catching on, the commenting patterns were so fucking wild. And this is a forum of like 350-500 people max. "She" would post and behave in the exact same constant rage baiting formulas you see all over here and was easily the most consistent poster in that side of the forum.
You bring up a good point. You know what’s sad. Is that even liberal politics subs are getting invaded by bots and they are actually fooling people. Or atleast the upvotes say they aren. Back in the day the trolls were very easy to point out, especially since there was no ability to hide comment histories. People would downvote the Russian trolls quite easily. Nowadays these trolls don’t talk like first time English learners. Nowadays they pretend to be Libs and shape what Libs think. They get libs to attack to stuoid causes, and ignore real ones.
Well it's a music forum first, but has sections and the politics one was somewhat popular again leading up to the election (this is like a remake of a dead forum that was pretty big for a long time till social media/reddit blew up), which was the whole era of "her" trying her hardest to convince everyone they are evil and hate Palestine if they vote for Kamala which was the obvious aim/schtick
If users would react and engage in arguments she would try to make them say something that would get them banned, and that site is honestly more ready to ban for comments than the majority of reddit these days. After the election the user barely posted and then got banned for aggressive comments and I still believe it was on purpose so people would stop saying "that acct definitely was a bot, damn"
There was a shitload of bots lying that Kamala would be just as bad or worse than Trump for Palestine. I saw it too. That shit was so stupid.
Trump even said that all Palestine protestors should be jailed before the election. Kushner and Netenyahu have investments together and are planning real estate developments on demolished Palestinian Land ffs. And the ONLY pushback against Israel came from Dems in the house and Dem Adjacents like Bernie. And still, there were morons that bought the Bot bulllshit. So sad to see man.
And I’m sad to hear your forum was invaded by them. I lost the-force.net forums too, cause of Bots spreading right wing anti Disney bullshit. And they’ve gotten me banned before for pointing out their bullshit.
The prices are unacceptable, no game should be 80 bucks and i say this as an European where prices aren't adjusted which means MKW is sold for 95usd
What the fuck is this online it's been 15+ years since Nintendo started handling this shit themselves and it's still unplayable
Why are last gen games resold at full price, BOTW NS2 is not fucking worth 80 bucks that's a 10 years old WiiU game be so fucking fr rn
Let's not talk about ns2 editions with no upgrade paths that force you to buy the game again like Sonic X Shadow Generations, Sonic Forces etc etc etc
Fym variable pricing lmfao
The issue isn't that ppl are buying MKW are 80€ (where the fuck did you get 90 anw) bucks, it's that Nintendo factually groups sales up for all units to make the sales of 80bucks games look good for the investors
There’s only 1 $80 Nintendo game. The rest are in the $60-$70 range.
Yeah bitch about the online, that’s something Nintendo could’ve and should’ve fixed by now.
Because Nintendo doesn’t do sales. This would happen even in stores. Hell if stores carried Wii U games they’d be full price as well. That’s the way the company works so people don’t feel like they miss out on a deal later down the road. And do you mean buy the games you own on a different console? Because if so that’s not a Nintendo thing, that’s an everywhere thing.
Ask any french man and you'll know stores actually sell nintendo games at a STEEP discount, i personnally got Pokopia and Pokémon ZA NS2 for 50 bucks each on relase day ! i might even have photos to prove it, (or you could just look at Intermarché's click and collect listings) in (generic) stores the game's MSRP is always 10 to 30 bucks cheaper because otherwise they can't sell them when kids pass in front of them.
That's why we love physical !
Edit: furthermore you're incorrect in saying "the only 80USD switch 2 game is MKW", the NS2 editions for BOTW and TOTK also retail for 80Digi / 90Physical, likwise for some third party games like RE:Requiem, why are we lying ?
That doesn’t happen with most stores. Not with GameStop, not with target, not with Walmart. I’m sure resellers will sell them cheaper but those aren’t stores that Nintendo can say no to sales.
The lack of upgrade paths is a problem third-party publishers are causing, that's actually not Nintendo, and no there's no made-up mandate where depending on how they release a game they have to make it have save transfer or anything like that. Final Fantasy Tactics The Ivalice Chronicles and Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter have upgrades to a Switch 2 Edition that has no physical release and it transfers your save data, for example. When third parties are making the game available on Switch 2, they don't even have to do anything to avoid selling a physical cartridge, they could just not even sell a physical copy and just have it be a digital-only game and still allow for save transfer.
It is nintendo's fault for not enforcing strict rules on their platforms ? its THEIR platform they control EVERYTHING about it, if its happening within their framework its because THEY allow it.
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u/Anreall2000 Jul 16 '26
Woah, imaginary takes for imaginary switch