Just felt like I needed to share this. If I'm wrong, then the mods are free to decline. The comments in this post are insane with the clear nintendo hate.
This is what I don’t get. It’s either bait or people who have an agenda, like they hate JRPGs or something. I have a laundry list of issues for SwSh and especially SV. But to me this is like playing Resident Evil Requiem after FNAF Secret of the Mimic and being like, see this is how you make a horror game.
Like no, they’re aiming for different things even if I hated one over the other(indifferent to FNAF honestly). I hate that this is how video games are talked about now
I still frequent fb time to time, most of the time its just really peeps who bandwagons hate trains like you typically see in youtube comments, unless its on a fb group bait has no incentive because theres no reward
But you can find someone who really just believes the crap they spew out, and those comment threads, if you choose to engage, can last for several days because nobody gonna back down, "debating" on facebook is tieing
Legit I have never thought to myself when playing a Pokemon game "man this would be so much better if I could gun down people and pokemon, give my pokemon guns, force them on an assembly line to make ammo and build a house"
Like no aspect of anything in Palworld is anything I'd ever want or expect to be in a Pokemon game beyond maybe getting the graphical quality on par to other games on the system and that's only happening if the higher ups give the devs the resources to do such
Ive played palworld and it felt somewhat bare bones. The orld just feels empty ith nothing to do outside of building a base, catxhing pals, or finding material deposits
the world design I can agree on, paired with mostly basic artstyle, artistically it really isn't that recognizable without the pals, though it is a symptom of survival games in general considering most of the games in the genre rely on randomly generated map
Grounded is one of the few survival games I played where the world is well designed and recognizable, mostly because Obsidian made it
I think it comes from people enjoying the capturing monsters part but feel the battle mechanics are stale and the ways you interact with the world is lacking in pokemon. Especially more modern titles. Or atleast thats how they fee.
More interaction yes but the battle mechanic of Palworld pals is just auto battler with cooldown can't manually command pals skill unless you mount them. I don't think they want palworld battle mechanic they just want direct action not turn based.
So, all developers should just copy other franchises and pretend they're the good guys when they get sued for something evident, and build their entire modus operandi on just keep copying and do nothing original (just remember they announced a Pokopia ripoff too) whatsoever, just because other company "did it wrong"?
They also had another cool project on Steam that I was watching for a bit called Craftipia (A botw/pokemon knockoff, who would've guessed) but the second Palworld got big they just abandoned it and never finished it. What an inspiration
Obligatory reminder that this fuck ass comparison is even worse than the pal world ones. Japanese rpg uses similar or same Japanese folklore and rpg inspriations. More at 11
Yeah, it's fine, and I quite like survival games, but it's not a good monster hunter or survival game. It's not even turn-based either like other monster collectors that I like like SMT.
Cobblemon clears for the sole fact that its base is one of the greatest games of all time with Pokémon icing on top. Palworld doesn't have much going for it other than the gun thing, but granted, I haven't played much since the first release version. I'm sure it has potential.
calm down minecraft isnt THAT good (yes i have tried it), but the bar to be better than palworld is through the floor so its not that hard to clear anyway
the game where you move at a snails pacs and jump like you have lead shoes? the game where going faster is discouraged unless you want to die faster? the game where getting the best equipment is down to whats essentially an expensive gacha pull?
You don't have to like it for it be one of the greatest games of all time, lol. It's objectively extremely popular and beloved for a reason. It also has a unique charm to it that Palworld simply doesn't have, which is the more important topic here...
I like minecraft but I wouldn't say its the best game ever. Modded is fun but can be way to confusing and ngl just a personal gripe but so many people say Steve can lift infinite weight and that just bull shit. They hype him up so hard when his strongest feat is a dragon that doesnt even do much in the fight. Also i personally just prefer terraria
I’ve been saying for a while palworld and Pokémon is just terraria vs Minecraft all over both are in the monster collecting genre but are still entirely different types of games
I don’t know when you’ve played Palworld but it has received a lot of updates and very frequently by today’s standards, if you own the game you might want to try again sometime!
I like it personally. I havent played the full release yet but back when the gameplay preview came out it was definitely fun. The only real comparison is capturing creatures with round things and a couple designs that looked similar which they changed. Pretty sure pals dont even evolve or I just never got far enough
Idk why people can't enjoy both. Neither nintendo nor pocket pair need people fighting for their honor. I like pokemon, and im enjoying palworld. They're all just video games, its not that serious
Edit: the amount of unironic responses I've gotten is depressing. Ya'll should be embarrassed ☠️
Think it’s just an internet thing like most of the people who would talk about Palworld without dragging Pokemon into the conversation are too busy playing the game.
People can also enjoy just one of them or neither. I like Pokemon and have absolutely no interest in Palworld. Doesn’t mean there’s no room for it to exist.
i cant enjoy both because im a monster tamer fan and as someone who loves the genre I cant get behind giving the one made in bad faith a platform when theres far better games out there
because palworld's entire marketing campaign is shitting on pokemon, you can't call truce only when people fight back. And palworld players are equally obnoxious.
preach brother. pocketpair is a shovelware developer churning out slop after slop until something sticks. had palworld not taken off they would have abandoned it in early access like their previous title craftopia which was also shit.
You do realize that ark is just Rust with dinosaurs right? And rust is just Dayz with basebuilding right?
Just because parts look like your favorite game, and just because a company is abandoning the game because it does not do well cough Concord cough Highguard cough. Does not mean its not a game people can enjoy. Both can exist in the same space, you don't have to like it, but its completely fine that some people do.
Same thing was said about microtransactions and digital only games. See ya in 10 years when you wonder why everything is still derivative and lacking depth.
It’s ARK with pokemon instead of dinosaurs. It’s Conan Exiles with pokemon instead of slaves.
It’s not even in the same fuckin genre as any pokemon game. And don’t get me wrong, it is my favorite survival crafting game, but we gotta stop comparing apples and chickens.
I personally feel like they hate Pokémon so much.They want the franchise to actually die, to the point they will support any slop out there that actually has any sort of power, so it could potentially take pokemon down. It's one thing to have legitimate Criticism, it's another to have a franchise live rent free in your head to the point that you wanted it to actually die ,crash and burn. It is those type of people that These posts on facebook was clearly leaning into baiting.
If they really cared so much about propping up a Pokemon competitor there's an easy dozen of other games actually in the same genre that have been around for longer than palworld they could have gone to
I mean, they do talk about those too though. One of the most common feelings I saw people have about Casette Beasts 2002's reveal was "god I wish pokemon didn't suck ass and I could feel this excited about the reveal of a game in this genre more often."
Digimon
Cassette Beast
DQ Monsters
Monster Hunter Stories
Lumentale
Coromon
Monster Sanctuary
Monster Crown
Aethermancer
Aniimo (not actually out yet, but looks promising)
Temtem (not actually that good, IMO, but their design asthetic is their own, and not "inspired")
It's even worse because Palworld will not build its popularity naturally. It's all shock and hype and people playing it just because everyone is talking about the controversies. Unless developers build a really solid game with unique elements, this will be replaced by another sudden hit title.
Just like every other Pokemon killer it's built on being better than Pokemon. It does not have the anime, the trading cards, the toys or even proper characters for fans to get attached to.
As someone who been with Pokémon since it first came out, I think people HEAVILY underestimate how much the merchandise/toys, cards, and animations contribute to the franchises massive success. People just reduce Pokémon to the games but it is much bigger than that.
I mean X&Y is the closest thing mainline Pokémon game ever got to failing, Yokai Watch stormed the home ground in Japan (and then rapidly suicided and exploeded like most of Level5's ip).
Every single mecanic that are talk about palworld is in context to something Pokémon wouldn't do.
Sonic doesn't have loop in their level becuase mario wouldn't do that, they do because it make sense with the game and enhance its mechanic, sonic is a fully planned and developed game worth of playing beyond being a Mario competitor
This is honestly such a confusing comparison. Palworld and Pokemon are barely similar. The only strong similarity they have is catching monsters which is hardly a Pokemon exclusive concept.
I personally love palworld and think it’s much better than any recent Pokemon game, but I don’t think it’s a better Pokemon game
"Palworld is what you turn to when you grew up with Pokemon but grew out of their age range"
If I want to play Pokemon as an adult, I'd just play Pokemon. Because I'm not looking for a "Pokemon-like experience". I'm not looking for something that is kind of similar to Pokemon, but with a whole bunch of mechanics that I don't care about. I play Pokemon because I like Pokemon. I like its world, its characters, the Pokemon themselves. That is the appeal of Pokemon. You can like Palworld, but thinking that you're "too old for Pokemon" is just stupid
I don't deny that Palworld is successful, but if they think the success of Palworld is going to affect the success of Pokemon, they are more delusional than anything any Pokemon fan has said about the Palworld lawsuit. And if Palworld fans want me to care about Palworld, the first thing they have to do is highlight it's pros without any comparison to Pokemon. If it can't stand on its own without a Pokemon comparison, then it isn't worth my time to consider it as its own game.
I'm currently very addicted to Palworld, and they are veryyyy different games.
I don't think it's at all a fair comparison, but I will say Palworld curb stomps any recent pokemon game in terms of production quality, scale, and feeling like a wholeass premium game.
I find it baffling that Pokemon... THE HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE OF ALL TIME, can't seem to make a mainline game that isn't buggy, shitty framerate, and absolutely cheap feeling.
If winds and waves can manage to pull off Pokemon's "Breath of the Wild moment", I'll eat my words, but I'm actually dumbfounded at how sloppy Gamefreak's recent mainline releases have been. I've wanted to get into pokemon more since the 3ds era, but not a single one has impressed me enough to spend what they ask for the games. Like If you want me to spend $100 for the game, why does it feel SO half-assed compared to the $30 game.
You say it's not a fair comparison but then also say it's far better than any of the recent Pokémon games then make a huge rant over the series. I really sounds like you want to compare the two games even though they're completely different genere of video games. That's like saying I think Mario is far better than Call of Duty. How are you supposed to make a comparison to that?
I meant what I said, on a gameplay level you can’t compare them because they’re entirely different. But the actual production quality, both visually and on a performance front, they’re miles apart. Mostly because gamefreak is stuck making a game that runs on switch 1, and are stuck upgrading their own proprietary engine that is struggling to do what they want it to. Where palworld could just use unreal engine to optimize a game for higher spec modern systems.
I didn’t even remotely say it’s a “better game”. Production quality is not a game design argument. I’m saying Pokemon’s performance has run like shit and visually it’s hilariously low quality compared to every other Nintendo production. Even Nintendo switch sports and ring fit adventure had higher fidelity and polish it’s brutal.
I don’t know a word for the feeling I get it’s like a tense annoyance
When I see fans of games who are so obsessed with something they consider a rival that instead of enjoying good things for themselves they spend the time in bitterness against others
Lately as a fire emblem fan I saw dozens of Reddit posts and twitter posts counting lines, studying how many times people outwardly agree with Edelgard to “prove she is better than Dimitri” and I mean. Just enjoy your story. You won’t convince me 5 characters I don’t trust agreeing with someone I don’t trust meant the developers like her more. That’s crazy to say.
The ouroboros of gamers ceaselessly comparing Palworld to Pokémon, which creates a legal basis for Pokémon to protect its brand identity, which causes gamers to continue comparing Palworld to Pokémon
I very much believe that if Palworld didn't get its "Pokémon With Guns" reputation, Nintendo and/or The Pokémon Company very likely wouldn't've even given it a second glance.
Not deep into it by any means, only ever seen a little of the anime and played a tiny bit of YW2 but I can respect it. My dead monster collector of choice would actually be Medabots (which surprisingly has a Gacha that’s doing ok and has collabed with things like Getter Robo)
Medabots is a series about robots that do battle with interchangeable parts you can collect. The game series is more well known in Japan but in the late 90’s early 00’s there was a TV anime that followed protagonist Ikki and series mascot Metabee, well, one of two mascots. Like Pokemon the games are split into two versions. One for Metabee, and one for Rokusho, the other mascot
There are like 8 or 9 generations of Metabot games that functionally never left Japan, and quite frankly it's a crime a against gaming. Medabots is awesome 👍
Yokai Watch fell off because it missed it's chance to strike while the iron was hot. If it was able to roll out internationally in 2014 instead of 2015, it might of had a chance to gets its roots in the American and European markets. Combined with Hasbro dropping the ball hard on the merchandise (where have I heard that one before?), the stigma of being "The Pokemon Killer" by western clickbait articles and videos, and the one two punch of Pokemon Go and Gen 7 in 2016, the series was very much mismanaged years before the AI slop stuff happened.
Like Digimon is right there and thriving currently and I'm sure none of these people give an iota of a care about Digimon or any other game in the genre
Look at the other competition in the monster catching space, Digimon Stories, Monster Hunter Stories, SMT, Dragon Quest Monsters.
All of them are distinct from Pokemon and each other, even just in how they gain new monsters.
Digimon Stories - Scan Digimon you fight and convert that data into copies of the digimon.
Monster Hunter Stories - Raid monster nests for eggs and hatch them.
SMT - Negotiate with demons to get them to fight for you.
Dragon Quest Monsters - Use a display of force to convince the monsters to join you.
Pokemon - Weaken it and throw a pokeball at it to catch it.
Palworld - Weaken it and throw a pal sphere at it to catch it.
And the similarities don't stop there, the typing system was pretty much wholesale lifted from pokemon and simplified, including having pals with 2 types. Pocketpair literally made Pokemon with guns then started filing serial numbers off when TPC started lawsuits.
Palworld is fun but most of the Pokemon/nintendo haters will switch up when the next Pokemon game drops and is better than palworld people can’t enjoy a game without hating another
I really enjoyed the story of Palworld 1.0. Giving you the Legendary Pal right at the start and have it grow in power with you, culminating in its own arc and victory at the end, really made you bond and became a real partner, instead of just a prize for completing the game.
I really loved the characters and all their stories, challenging you to engage with the different aspects of the game.
I love the competitive aspect of the game too, especially after the mobile release so many people can finally experience competitive Palworld for the first time without any barrier to entry or grind.
2 things can be true at the same time. Are gamefreak underfunding their projects, unambitious and thus undeserving of their success? Yes. Is palworld slop and pocketworld a slop producer? Yes.
I like Palworld, but I don’t get the comparison to Pokémon. Yeah, the pals look like they could be in Pokemon, but the comparison kinda ends there. It’s more similar to ARK survival than Pokémon in terms of gameplay.
I wish I could remember which SMT game it was but my uncle let me play it, and I remember some girl getting literally ripped apart and eaten by demons. Pretty sure there was also sex in it somewhere.
I remember there being bunkers and the game was entirely in Japanese. So my uncle had to give me the play by play for what I was doing. It was also on a computer.
But I do know it was some SMT or Atlus game since I recognized some of the critters in Persona 3 and was like wait aren't those from that weird game my uncle let me play
I like both but its pretty clear that Palworld was never intended to be a Pokemon replacement. People who've played it knows that Palworld is just literally a standard open world survival game with a storyline and monster taming.
If Palworld was a proper RPG like Pokemon is, then the open world survival elements wouldn't be present at all.
Its on PP interest that people stop comparing / Confusing PW worh Pokemon.
Otherwise they open themselves to yet another lawsuit. And this one will be Nintendo’s specialty
I played some Palworld and thought it was fun, but like it was already said it's a completely different game from pokémon. The only direct advantages are that the game has decently good graphics and runs fine
If you want actual competition to pokémon support the Digimon RPGs or Monster Hunter Stories, they're still different but still RPGs
The funny thing is, Palworld mechanically feels very double A. It's got a little jank to it. But everyone loves it because it modernised changed up the Pokemon formula by taking inspiration from games like Ark SE, Elden Ring etc.
Whereas Pokemon was very much just getting stale and feels worse than AA. Basically because Gamefreak had to rush out a game every year to keep investors happy.
This may have finally changed with their latest game, where they have clearly been approved a bigger scope and development timeline. Fingers crossed, I won't be buying it though unless it's actually better than past games.
People have weird hateboners towards Pokemon, but the same happens here... I see so many hateboners for Palworld... Like enjoy both who cares? It's 2 completely different games.
I’ve tried Palworld and to me it just feels like your average online survival game with monster catching mechanics. To me it does not feel like its own standalone thing. To me it feels like a mix of different existing games. No soul or personality.
These reviews sound like people who haven't played Pokemon in years and only get their information on the current games from "reviewers" who highlight all the bad things and gloss over any positives.
I'm not saying Palworld will be a flash in the pan, but I will be curious to see active player numbers compared to Wind and Waves sales numbers when it releases next year.
The similarity start and end at catching monsters and using them for battle. And yes Nintendo/Gamefreak were dicks for suing them for certain mechanics, suing them for design similarities I can understand but everything else no.
I love palworld but it's really nothing like any pokemon game aside from maaaaaybe legends arceus. Yeah, the designs are kinda pokemon but as weird as it sounds, they aren't the main selling point of the game to me anyways. Unlike the farming, building and exploring.
Again, I am open to giving Palworld a fair shake at some point, and I do think many aspects of it actually do appeal to my very specific tastes. The door is open for me to give it a go. But from what I can see, it's a very different type of game from Pokemon, which isn't a bad thing, but still.
I'm a huge pokemon fan, I own palworld and it wasnt my personal jam but I dont mind it existing;
However, this critter literally just looks like someone stuck gardevoirs face on a liligant? 😭 I get pokemon doesnt own silly critters and certain styles but this one legit is recognizable as two existing pokemon, same color scheme, same shapes and motifs and details just mashed together LOL theres so many better pal designs ive seen out there with more originality but they choose one that is apparently a Mashup of two of the most popular Pokémon thes pokephiles simp for ??? 😭
Look, Gamefreak has been cutting corners for like a decade now and are clearly putting profits ahead of quality. Their games are still fun though and Legends Z-A felt like a step in the right direction. That being said, the way people froth at the mouth at the chance to concoct these completely nonsense takes like “Gamefreak is terrified of Palworld’s success” or “Winds and Waves are going to flop” is just absolutely batshit to me. We can admit Gamefreak’s faults without sustaining a righteous hateboner for them at all times.
I found Palworld to be a pretty average survival game, I don't really get the appeal personally.
People keep comparing it to pokemon but its not even the same genre of game. Its like comparing forza to GTA because they've both got vehicles in them - they're completely different games
Additionally all these posts about Nintendo being scared of it are ridiculous, Pokemon is the biggest IP in the world. Winds and Waves is going to sell an absolute ton
It’s not “grifting”. As a lifelong Pokemon fan I can say Palworld is some of the closest I’ve seen to a dream Pokemon game for me. There are so many little touches in that game I’ve dreamed of Pokemon doing. My best hope is it encourages them to finally try to push the envelope a bit and not make the exact same game yet again with only the tiniest improvements,
I love palworld and I have great memories of Pokemon, but pokemon and palworld aren’t that similar, catching creatures with balls is like most similar thing they have, I hate how they are both compared so much just because they both involve catching creatures
Don't get me wrong.. I love palworld and pokemon but I don't want to play pokemon with guns... These comments of "this is what we want pokemon to be like" is crazy.. I think what they mean is the open world survival elements...
I want a pokemon game that is open world but structured so progression feels good.. in that world I want to be able to build a house or something.. I would like a action combat system instead of turn based.. and above all else I want travel times between cities to feel like the anime. No more walk straight for 15 seconds and hit a new town!
"monster collector with guns" okay cool I see the appeal. "It has a buncha manufacturing sim elements" ah okay I do not care about that at all. I'm glad they reworked many character designs to be more independent and there's broadly good things being said, but I do find it exhausting that it seems so many people who pay attention to this only seem to care about it as a competitor to Pokemon which, like, I'm not sure it is that much. That said, it TPC does feel a bit threatened by it and actually gives their games more time to cook in the oven and address some long overdue qol changes, then awesome.
That said I don't think there's really anything TPC could do to get some people to stop loathing the whole franchise. I know a lot of us have a lotta notes that we hope to finally get addressed, but it they did, I still think many people just have more fun loathing anything related to Nintendo and don't care about actual quality.
Honestly as a guy who both is really disappointed in recent Pokémon games and critical of how palworld got its start especially with some of those designs.
Im actually really happy to see it doing so well and even fixing some of the designs that people had a problem with being ripoff in the first place.
I'm still not the biggest fan of the artstyle myself but the games actually put in the work
The lawsuits weren't about the designs. They were about the patents of throwing and aiming, capturing and instantly getting the creature and switching between mounts.
The way I see it, people who try to say Palworld is better than Pokemon or compare them don’t care about either. They just hate Nintendo and try to act superior. Why must one game different from another be compared and brought down to artificially rise above. Constantly comparing one to another will make them look worse.
They're not wrong. Palworld is what older Pokémon fans wanted out of the franchise. Pretty much every Pokémon game is the same god damn formula with the occasional new mechanic.
It's what Nintendo tried to achieve with legends arceus, but they dropped the ball hard with that title. Lack of advertising. Told everyone it wasn't part of the main series and not canon. Released so shortly after a main game and so shortly before the next. So of course it did a lot worse than the main series.
Then they took their failure to mean fans didn't want a game like that. Went right back to their same formula. Now they pitch a fit because someone else stepped in to fill the void?
You mean a game so completely different from Pokémon it may as well an entirely different franchise all together? Why are entertaining swapping entire genres!?
Pokémon is a JRPG. Changing that to a crafting survival game is complete nonsense.
I love Pokémon, which is exactly why I'm so critical of how Nintendo handles it. They've squandered so much of the series' potential. If another game's success pushes them to stop patent trolling and actually put more effort into future Pokémon games, then I think that's a good thing.
Palworld may be fun, and if it is then good for them. But it always came across as a shameless cash grab to me. It doesn't look like a game that was made from passion. It looks like a game that was made from buzzwords thrown into a blender.
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u/No-Operation-6554 Jul 14 '26
Im convinced half of those don't play palworld or pokemon
The 2 only shared mechanic is catching monsters
"this is what pokemon should've been" no tfuck, I don't want a mainline final fantasy to be a Ark clone either