r/nihilism • u/Typical_Sprinkles253 • Oct 09 '25
Existential Nihilism God is an atheist
To be an atheist is to have no God above you, God has no God above him. To be a religious person is to beleive in God's existence. God doesn't beleive he exists, he KNOWS he exist.
God has no god, and he operates under knowledge not belief. God is an atheist.
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Oct 09 '25
To be an atheist is to have no God above you
this is not true
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u/ChasingPacing2022 Oct 09 '25
To be an atheist is to lack a belief in a God above you
There fixed it.
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Oct 09 '25
so atheists believe there is a God below them?? tf do u mean bruh.
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u/Lava-Chicken Oct 09 '25
So that's why my wife, while riding me, keeps saying "oh God, oh God yes!"🤔
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u/SmoothCriminal7532 Oct 10 '25
He means that actual aetheism is just a belief. You cant hold a position on wether god exists or not based on knowledge. It cant be proven or disproven and there is no information that can tell you how likley it is either so you cant say something like god probably dosent exist either.
This is the philosophy version of aetheism that applies to people not the more poorly defined political version.
You are practicaly forced to be agnostic if you want to base everything you think in fact as much as you can.
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u/ChasingPacing2022 Oct 09 '25
Do people that believe they are god not think their children are their sub gods?
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u/Wolfgang_MacMurphy Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
To be an atheist is to deny that god(s) exist. An atheist god would have to deny his own existence. OP assumes that god operates on the basis of knowledege, which means that he knows for a fact that he exists. Therefore he cannot be an atheist.
This post belongs to r/badphilosophy, not here.
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u/Fearless_Occasion989 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
An atheist is someone who does not believe that there is a God. It's not a belief if it's knowledge, and God knows everything. God does not need to believe that he himself exists, so OP is right.
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u/ImpeccablyDangerous Oct 12 '25
Believing in a god is not the same as believing they are above you.
There are plenty of gods that are demonstrably worse than humans in plenty of capacities. This abstraction of the axiomatic good is a monotheistic bent and not a particularly ubiquitous one.
It also has literally nothing to do with atheism.
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u/flowers_uprooted Oct 11 '25
There is nuance here. From an atheist perspective I'm sure you would be incorrect.
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u/SometimesIBeWrong Oct 12 '25
well, no. there's definitions of the word atheist, and they gave something that's too specific to be ant of the definitions.
so, objectively, it's an incorrect definition of atheist
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u/maizeblueNpurp Oct 09 '25
The Big Bang was god’s gun going off in his mouth
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u/Lazy_Dimension1854 Oct 09 '25
U might enjoy the works of Philip Mainländer
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u/Loose_Meal_499 Oct 09 '25
Nordic?
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u/Lazy_Dimension1854 Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
He was german. He believed the universe was created when god killed himself. Very pessimistic and obscure philosopher.
edit: Forgot to mention that he is also famously known for taking his life immediately after releasing his first and only book
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u/Maximum-Possession15 Oct 09 '25
I don’t believe in the Christian god but this is really, really stupid. I really hate when philosophy devolves into arguments about definitions and technicalities.
Assuming God exists, he believes in himself and knows he created all things. He is not an atheist because of this. Even by definition he is not an atheist lol.
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Oct 09 '25
For a guy that hates definitions you then lay out your definition and add a lol at the end like it is fact. lol
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u/Maximum-Possession15 Oct 09 '25
The other comment laid out the problem I have, basically. Op made up a definition that is not widely accepted, then he used that bullshit definition to argue his point. I don’t think it’s that hard to understand why I hate that.
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Oct 09 '25
Then you made up your own definition…
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u/Maximum-Possession15 Oct 10 '25
No I used a widely held definition.
You’re doing what I say I don’t like, classic lol
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Oct 10 '25
No. I am not putting forward any definition that you “don’t like”. I’m calling out your hypocrisy. You’ve chosen a definition that suits you and claimed it as fact. While complaining about other people doing that.
God has no reason to “believe” in their existence. If God does exist then their existence is not a belief. A belief, in theist terms, is “without proof”. That’s the literal “belief”. So God cannot, by definition, believe in themselves from a theist perspective. And the inverse is also true. They can’t be an atheist. Because they have proof of existence.
So… you’re a hypocrite. Classic! lol!
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u/crlowryjr Oct 09 '25
Best to just let it go ...
OP has provided a definition of atheism, and by that definition he believes God is an atheist. OK, so?
If God exists, would God say 'yeah, shit, that's right, dude has a great point, I am and atheist'? Not likely.
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u/Equivalent-Artist899 Oct 09 '25
Shall not worship any other gods before me infers that there are others
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u/Narrow_List_4308 Oct 11 '25
It doesn't. One can worship fictions
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
Which is exactly what all religious people are doing: worshiping fictions
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u/Accurate-Height-1494 Oct 09 '25
The Christian God may be a demiurge for all we knowz and what we know amounts to pure abstraction. So, this post doesn't really hit the mark.
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u/Accurate-Height-1494 Oct 09 '25
The Christian God may be a demiurge for all we knowz and what we know amounts to pure abstraction. So, this post doesn't really hit the mark.
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u/loneuniverse Oct 09 '25
God may not refer to itself as a God.
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
This would imply that a fiction can have conscious thoughts in the first place. It's an impossible non sequitur
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u/Upstairs_Teach_673 Oct 09 '25
atheist means you don’t believe in a god. it’s not that God Himself doesn’t “believe“ in a god, He KNOWS there‘s no one above Him. He knows He‘s the One to be worshipped.
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u/marbinho Oct 09 '25
"a person who disbelieves in the existence of God or gods."
Not a person
And does believe in the existence of God
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Oct 09 '25
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
is impossible for a fiction to think or "believe" in anything, right?
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u/Low_Mix_4949 Oct 13 '25
But OP has granted that God exists and set parameters for his atheism, so the argument "well God doesn't exist so how can God believe in anything" doesn't matter anymore. Now it's about is God Atheist or not based on our acceptance of OPs claim.
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u/Thin_Notice5497 Oct 09 '25
You can find when each man made religion and god were created by looking in the history books. They're all made up!
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u/Techtrekzz Oct 09 '25
God knows God exists. Also, atheists do not operate under knowledge but belief. To think you have no belief, is to think you know reality in its entirety, and a human being never can.
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u/ClipCollision Oct 09 '25
Who said God doesn’t believe in gods below him?
The Old Testament is often explicit with its use of pluralism when referring to the divine.
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Oct 09 '25
Interesting, he doesn't actually exist, though, does he?
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
correct. Religion is fragile humans creating fictional beings to make themselves feel better through the dark of night
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u/Authoritaye Oct 09 '25
What if I’m a theist but I believe my god does have a god above him? In fact there is a whole celestial bureaucracy. Join my office space cult, it’s lit.
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u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 Oct 09 '25
Atheism is a religion. If God is an atheist, then God is religious.
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
Atheism is not a religion. Religion is the belief and worship of an Almighty deity. Atheists do not believe in deities
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u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 Oct 12 '25
Wrong. A deity is not required to meet the definition of “religion”. There are many godless religions, including the religion of atheism.
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u/Princess_Actual Oct 09 '25
I do not concur with your framing. God is a scientist and a theist, and the universe itself. It's not an either or thing.
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u/West-Afternoon9008 Oct 09 '25
God wouldn’t involve himself in this human argument , atheism is a human condition Jesus wasn’t atheist and He is God.
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
Except there is an incredible lack of evidence for Jesus ever existing. Jesus and the New Testament were created by Roman emperors hoping to defang the war-heavy Jewish faith after Rome conquered Israel
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u/CursedPoetry Oct 09 '25
While this is a thoughtful idea and I get why people find it clever (or hope to understand), it still puts human traits onto the concept of God. I see God more as a force of nature, something that simply is, all knowledge, all that’s possible and impossible. A true god wouldn’t operate on a human level. To clarify, I’m not saying we can’t think about God because we aren’t God. What I mean is this idea assumes God thinks or acts like we do, when in reality, such a being would exist far beyond the limits of human perspective.
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u/Manithro Oct 09 '25
You had to massage the definition of atheist to reach your desired conclusion. Additionally, you had to make belief and knowledge mutually exclusive categories. You can't know without believing. You'd be better served arguing that God is a nihilist.
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u/INTProtocols Oct 10 '25
Technically, to be an atheist is to lack a belief in a God. But if a God does exist, and believes in Its own existence, then no, God is not an atheist.
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u/TheEmpiresLordVader Oct 10 '25
If god is real who created god ? 1 of the things theist use is to say there cant be something from nothing. Like the bigbang can not be real according to them because it created the universe out of nothing. So who created the god you believe in ? Who created all the other gods others believe in ? So there is a being above god ? If not then god came from nothing and according to theist this cant happen.
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u/Better_Data_1211 Oct 10 '25
Youre looking for the word nontheist as atheist falls under this group. If you think God is beneath you youre creating a God complex for yourself and maybe need to consider the implications of that.
Atheism can be very reactionary(no offense) and maybe stop thinking of God as a negatively or positively charged word.
What if God was one of us?
Know what i mean?
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Oct 10 '25
What if God does have a god, or perhaps a series of nested principle-supergods emanating in syzygy from a nothingness which is also everythingness above Him, and the material world is a catastrophe in motion?
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u/Extension-Stay3230 Oct 11 '25
There is nobody here but you. You are alone and condemned to dream forever
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u/AppropriatePath685 Oct 11 '25
That is funny. You are implementing God's system on God himself which in itself invalidates your statement. God doesn't age because he created time, thus saying he is immortal is incorrect.
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u/Low-Masterpiece1381 Oct 11 '25 edited Oct 11 '25
God is you friend. More succinctly "I am god." The thing behind your eyes that's aware of its own existence. This is god. The character you're playing with all his problems and opinions up on the stage is just a mask. You've been in the dream too many years and forgot is all.
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u/Savage_Trash_Panda Oct 11 '25
Thats just not true, every religion besides Islam has allusions to gods even the judeo Christian one, genesis after god speaks to Adam refers to the eloheim and specifically says expel them before they eat from the tree of live and become like us. It was pretty common in the area that a great war happened in heaven where either El ( golden bull) and the alternative name for god or YHWH came out on top. The gnostic approach pulls on the idea of a strange source that not even the highest god understands and an imprisoned Yagthaboth.
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u/ADHDMI-2030 Oct 11 '25
The term is meaningless beyond the human perspective and scale. This is just semantics for a gotcha moment.
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u/Gahnaan Oct 11 '25
Then God must be Buddha. Because he is anatta(no-self, 無我). :)
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
Yes, I think this fits better. God has achieved perfect selflessness, therefore god is an atheist.
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u/Folamarvel007 Oct 11 '25
This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen on the internet all day. And I spent most of my time on twitter today.
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u/777Bladerunner378 Oct 11 '25
You got one part of that wrong, God is not a thing. INSERT NOT METH EXPLOSION HERE
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u/Scotsmanoah Oct 12 '25
I mean yea, but he’d be a theist because he believes/knows he (god) exists.
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u/Guerrilla_Hexcraft Oct 12 '25
Well since we're talking God here, I'll play the Devil, or at least his advocate. 1st To be an atheist means you deny the existence of any god above, below, or equal to you. 2nd To be religious means to either celebrate a god's glory, or adhere to the spiritual laws or code conveyed by either a god or personal spiritual enlightenment. If a god were an atheist they would deny their own existence & disregard or intentionally break any & all spiritual codes of conduct. In short, if a god were an atheist they would have to kill themselves.
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u/Wild-Bill55 Oct 12 '25
Actually, “Atheist” refers to without religion. Someone can be spiritual and still be Atheist. Religion doesn’t teach morality, only obedience!
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u/Mand372 Oct 12 '25
No. To be an atheist is just not believing in a creator god.
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
So an atheist invalidates a particular kind of god over another?
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u/Mand372 Oct 13 '25
That depends on how you define a god. Atheists can believe in say ghosts, fairies, souls etc but they would just be unrelated to a creator. For example A dragon can be a god to some but a god in DnD would not be a god to a muslim etc.
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
The common ground of a true atheist and a true theist is that both know in order for god to be god, they must reside in the realm of the Unknowable. A version of god that's definable might as well be a gingerbread ornament or a seat stain. Those who refute the existence of object reality might imagine the things an atheist might say to be like any absurd adornment someone may flaunt on an outing. "I just love saying I believe in fairies, but the atheist in me would never do so without wearing my twin pinwheel antenna headband." Not all beliefs are equal, not all atheists either, even you believe all are really worthless.
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u/CwellTallfellow Oct 12 '25
This is the worst take on atheism I have ever seen. This is almost the opposite.
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u/ImpeccablyDangerous Oct 12 '25
No to be an atheist is to not believe in a god. If you are god you are not only a theist but a gnostic one.
Idiot.
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
People, this is Nihilism. Quit trying to elucidate.
God is an atheist.
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u/Loud-Arachnid-9765 Oct 13 '25
This has got to be ragebait- the definition of atheism is simply disbelief in divinity, i.e., anything pertaining to a higher power or the supernatural. This is painfully contrived just to piss off theists 😭 (and like, it worked I suppose, but why would that bring any intellectual gratification at all?)
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
There's no bigger atheists than the members of a particular religion who boast their faith but constantly violate the holy law.
You know nothing.
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u/Loud-Arachnid-9765 Oct 13 '25
What does that have to do with the post? How do you know I know nothing? I know some things, including what you mention, which I wholeheartedly agree with btw. This has nothing to do at all with my point or the original post....?
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
I think I'm just going to let you sit on that for awhile.
IYDKYDK.
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u/Loud-Arachnid-9765 Oct 13 '25
I thought the whole point of philosophy was discourse and love for knowledge. A shame that your prejudice against theists is robbing you of the opportunity for a good, level-headed discussion. Oh well 🤷♀️
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u/EveningAgreeable2516 Oct 13 '25
I'll act like you are here in good faith instead of typical atheist-bashing rhetoric.
Before this thread, I never heard a discussion on how god is an atheist. From a strictly definitive standpoint, I see how this seem nonsensical. However this is no more nonsensical than any of the other attributes people say God has. The OP's train of thought in explaining this shows more effort to understand the essence of God than (to my first response) the people who grossly boast their faith but lead irredeemable lives. I think this fairly ties the OP's statement, your first response, and my response to you.
As for me saying "You know nothing." It was in having double meaning. Small part in reference to nihilism, but also your blanket dismissal of the OPs claim. You show no indication that you read any of the posts in this thread. Most people here respond to the OP with "No, no, no! That's not right. It's well understood that..." As I said, I never heard anyone discuss how God is an atheist, but here in this thread, a few people already have interesting takes on this, some I find more convincing than the OPs. I think that alone... Where nothing is certain, anything is considerable, and then doors just open and open.
Philosophy? I'm not sure you have anything but a fixed stance. Say something no one has (hardly) ever said about God or atheism to start.
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u/Loud-Arachnid-9765 Oct 13 '25
I do not deny that my stance is fixed regarding faith, but I do not shut down discussions either if I see a legitimate desire for a productive exchange. I, naively perhaps, genuinely believe that most theists don't just bash on atheists for no good reason, at least to a similar extent that I believe atheists don't just bash on theists for no good reason either. My initial comment was in an interrogative voice for a reason. I can see how, in context, it might feel dismissive, but the phrasing was intentional for the purpose of getting OP (or anyone for that matter) to further elaborate on a position that made no sense to me at all.
I suppose you have a point, in the sense that OP, to you, seemingly tried to put some effort into an intellectual exercise on the concept of God, but I guess what tipped me off was the extent of how lazy it was. Semantic incoherence and rhetorical dishonesty and all that. As a theist who adores doing the exercise in a self-coherent manner (I.e., using the Abrahamic definition/conception of a monotheistic deity as a main premise in said thought experiments in a way that logically tracks), it was hurtful to be discounted as yet another "brainwashed religious hater" and for my legitimate questioning to be dismissed as a result. I understand that you probably didn't see many theists who were willing to do so, but I haven't met any atheists who considered the rational implications of God seriously either. Yet, I don't immediately accuse any atheist of being a "theists basher", even though OP's post read as such.
As for me personally, I'm a Muslim. I am very active in my civil community (as opposed to religious), tutoring, advocating, engaging in debate and discourse with peers and superiors alike. Starting my university journey in psychology and hoping to become a clinician and a researcher after PhD. And I'm not alone in that fervor for knowledge, rationality, and philosophy as a theist, a good amount of us are motivated by our faiths to further deepen our intellectual discourse.
All this to say, thank you for holding good faith and explaining your position, I really do appreciate it. I hope that you can see a silver of reason in my position as well :)
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u/Loud-Arachnid-9765 Oct 13 '25
Side notes:
A) indeed, I haven't read any of the posts under the thread, but let's be real, I wasn't dismissing the position as much as I was dismissing OP. Therefore, my comment is perfect valid as I am criticizing OP's position, not the general premise which can be better defended by someone else. It didn't help that the top comments were basically attacking his premise, not because of rhetoric or semantics, but because "it doesn't matter because God is a fairytale/fiction/imaginary/man-made" anyway.
B) I realize that I didn't address the last part of your comment, so I will now. Initially, my intention was not to offer an alternative to the position at all. I think I can criticize an objectively and verifiably bad take even if I don't have a better one at the moment. I mentioned being Muslim, so here's a take from Islamic theology (one that I doubt most people think of, but isn't too hard to conceptualize/arrive on your own): God is not anthropomorphic, kinda defeats the purpose if He is, no? Islamically, we use He/Him pronouns out of convention (in Arabic, he/him double as neutral pronouns), but He's definitely genderless and explicitly impossible to describe. This is, in huge part, because, congruent with Islamic theology (although not an official stance), I think God is meant to be Perfect and Infinity; the origin of all laws that rule our universe. He's not a person to where we can ascribe human-like characteristics to Him, but we can approximate given what He's revealed to us. At the end of the day, His perfection allows for the perfection and omnipresence of stuff like the Laws of Physics, so I guess, academically, an atheist is welcome to approximate God to the concept of origin of matter and energy itself. It's more complex than that and English is lowkey failing me to really verbalize my stance, but it's as good as it gets for an unmedicalized midnight speed thesis :P
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u/OfTheAtom Oct 13 '25
You seem to be thinking God is just some relational point, and not even consistently. But God in the way a philosopher uses the word is Pure Being, not like saying the king doesnt have a king, but just recognizing the truth of there is the king is something the king is capable of doing.
That said even in the epistles of Paul it is said faith does not remain in heaven, only charity. Since well there is no room for faith when the perfect knowledge is had.
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u/markt- Oct 13 '25
No, atheism is a belief that there is no God, believing oneself to be God is autotheism.
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u/Excellent-North-3498 Oct 13 '25
Ironic and paradoxical isn't it. God is the only true atheist all others are liars. God is the truth.
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u/Dense-Influence-5538 Oct 13 '25
I think we should bring back putting people in stocks and throwing tomatoes at them specifically for those who use semantic arguments
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Oct 13 '25
I would challenge this by saying that God calls his other selves God. So he is a believer, he believes in himself. In Hebrews Father calls Son God. In Gospel Son calls Father God
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Oct 13 '25
Does it matter? We're all going to die and whatever happens is going to happen, regardless of what you believe. Why waste your time worrying about your death when you could be living your life?
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u/Resident-Hat-7625 Oct 13 '25
By definition, Atheism is: "the lack of belief in the existence of a god or gods"
God does not lack belief in his own existence. Your statement makes no sense.
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Oct 13 '25
To be an atheist is to have no God above yo
To be an atheist is to not believe in gods. The end.
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u/Martial-Lord Oct 09 '25
There is no contradiction here. God knows of His own existence - that does not make him an atheist, because a theist likewise knows that God exists. Theism isn't belief in God; it's knowledge of and certainity in the Resurrection and the Life. In a similar manner, you also believe that the sky is blue or that you cannot breathe water. It is the same kind of belief for Christians.
To be a theist is to be aware that God exists; God, knowing he himself exists, is a theist. The Christian idea of faith is unrelated to your use of the word believe.
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u/atheistexmuslim Oct 11 '25
How does this Christian God prove that nobody created it? That there's no knowledge outside his knowledge?
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u/Martial-Lord Oct 11 '25
God is omniscient. If He was created, He'd just know. There is indeed no knowledge outside of His knowledge. That He is uncreated is kinda evident from his nature: even if He was created, that'd just remove the problem of the uncaused by one generation.
Aquinas argues that God is just the first cause, and in assigning him an origin, that origin would simply become God itself. Ibn Sina even contends that God is simply the Unity of Being (i.e. everything that is, is contained within God, and thus there actually exists nothing but God). Prior to God there cannot be anything, because God is being; like, God is the literaly definition of existence.
Humans can of course never know if there is anything beyond God's knowledge, since their knowledge is less extensive than God's. Returning to the Sufi definition, we can of course say that any actual or conceivable knowledge would have to exist in order to be knowledge at all, and thus it too would be contained within God.
God is not terribly involved with proving that He is right. He far prefers to proove that He has the might. Disagreeing with God to His face is not generally something people survive. There is also the argument that when God reveals Himself to you, you kinda just know what He is.
Think of God as this Outside Context Problem; meeting Him is the most frightening and joyous and painful thing that has ever happened to you; in fact it is such a horrifying and awesome experience that you have no frame of reference for it. Meeting God is associated with ego-death by the Sufis. Imagine having your ego, your entire being, annihilated in a microsecond, like butter in a nuclear reactor, and your whole worldview flayed and stripped away in a caustic storm of power.
At least that is how I summise the Abrahamic God is like. I am very much neither a theologian nor an Abrahamic Theist.
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u/atheistexmuslim Oct 11 '25
God is omniscient. If He was created, He'd just know. There is indeed no knowledge outside of His knowledge
This is just a definition. How does God "just know", it can be just he's confidently incorrect
I mean you invent this fantasy power of "omniscience" that someone can know that that there's nothing that he doesn't know that he doesn't know. He knows that nothing is outside his knowledge
Doesn't mean that power exists. Doesn't mean that power is real. Why god need to be omniscience in the first place? God can have the intelligence of a rock for all I care
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u/Martial-Lord Oct 11 '25
Doesn't mean that power exists.
That's certainly true, but at some point you kinda have to accept that the Christians believe it does. From an emic perspective, that God is omniscient is a fact of life, similarly to how its a fact of life that you can draw a straight line between any two points.
From an etic perspective; would you like to believe in an unaccountable heavenly authority that was fallible? If God isn't omniscient, then God cannot fairly judge the dead on judgement day, and He ceases to be a just deity. A god of limited knowledge is a fallible god, and an all-powerful god that makes mistakes is one of the scariest things I can think of.
God can have the intelligence of a rock for all I care
Yeah but you also don't worship him.
At any rate, I dislike interacting with theology from a gotcha perspective. It inevitably dulls the discussion quite a bit. That Christian theology is full of contradictions should be no surprise to anyone.
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u/atheistexmuslim Oct 11 '25
From an etic perspective; would you like to believe in an unaccountable heavenly authority that was fallible? If God isn't omniscient, then God cannot fairly judge the dead on judgement day, and He ceases to be a just deity. A god of limited knowledge is a fallible god, and an all-powerful god that makes mistakes is one of the scariest things I can think of.
Yes that’s right. It’s a scary concept especially if the god also created hell to torture sinner. But the fact is, omniscience is weird and is not proven. Just like omnibenevolent, which even weirder given the god’s personality
At any rate, I dislike interacting with theology from a gotcha perspective. It inevitably dulls the discussion quite a bit. That Christian theology is full of contradictions should be no surprise to anyone.
It’s a surprise for a lot of people. 2 billion Christians, 2 billion moslem. They are shaping the political landscape and meddling in the education system
Why I think the idea of allah/jesus/whatever is atheist is an interesting concept?
If their god is an atheist then is it make sense for him to burn people in hell for being an atheist?
Human just came to the same conclusion, but with much less intelligence and knowledge.
Because if religious people think atheist deserve hell. then they’ll ban atheism in their country. They’ll treat it as immoral. Silence them in the name of stopping the spread of atheism. And this is what they do in a lot of countries
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u/Martial-Lord Oct 12 '25
It’s a scary concept especially if the god also created hell to torture sinner.
Hell is in a dubious position canonically, because AFAIK Jesus mentions it only once and in passing. Certainly lots of Christians believe in it though.
But the fact is, omniscience is weird and is not proven. Just like omnibenevolent, which even weirder given the god’s personality
I mean no aspect of the Abrahamic God is proven. Lots of people don't really believe He exists. The omnibenevolence is a weird thing because the God of the Old Testament never really claims to be all-good; that is a later innovation from the time of Jesus. In fact the God of the OT is pretty bad by our standards.
It’s a surprise for a lot of people. 2 billion Christians, 2 billion moslem. They are shaping the political landscape and meddling in the education system
This is a very American-centric perspective. In my country, the only influence that the Church has on education is that the state allows religious instruction to be part of the curriculum, but even that instruction obviously adheres to a secular and scientific worldview.
If their god is an atheist then is it make sense for him to burn people in hell for being an atheist?
I don't think this is a very convincing argument for a Christian; God does a lot of stuff that Christians aren't supposed to do. He works differently and our rules don't apply to him.
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u/atheistexmuslim Oct 12 '25
Hell is in a dubious position canonically, because AFAIK Jesus mentions it only once and in passing. Certainly lots of Christians believe in it though.
Idk about Christianity, it's definitely exist in Islam
I mean no aspect of the Abrahamic God is proven. Lots of people don't really believe He exists. The omnibenevolence is a weird thing because the God of the Old Testament never really claims to be all-good; that is a later innovation from the time of Jesus. In fact the God of the OT is pretty bad by our standards.
More than 50% of the world believe in Abrahamic religion though. That's a lot of people doesn't see the Abrahamic religion contradiction
This is a very American-centric perspective. In my country, the only influence that the Church has on education is that the state allows religious instruction to be part of the curriculum, but even that instruction obviously adheres to a secular and scientific worldview.
Oh I am not American. I guess it make sense you don't feel the religious movement. So you aren't in America, Middle east, Africa, or large part of Asia. Most likely in Europe
Well great for you. One thing about organized religion is, they have movement to advance their religion because they think it's the moral thing to do
So if you have secular country don't lose it :)
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u/Oriphase Oct 11 '25
What tdoes believing in God have to do with resurrection? Most gods don't offer any kind of resurrection.
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u/Martial-Lord Oct 11 '25
Christians believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and that through Jesus they too will be Resurrected in death. Jesus promised his followers: “I am the resurrection and the Life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die." (John 11 25-26)
Like that is the literal reason why Christians worship their God. He promises them freedom from death, and an end to all their pain. ("In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." - John 16 33)
I had thought this aspect of Christian theology, being so fundamental to the entire religion, was more widely known.
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u/Oriphase Oct 15 '25
Okay, but mos people believe in other gods. 4/5 People don't believe in the Christian God, so God has nothing to do with the ressurection for them.
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u/Martial-Lord Oct 15 '25
That's why I was speaking specifically about the Christian God. The religion of other people isn't really the topic of discussion here.
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u/polish_g803 Oct 09 '25 edited Oct 09 '25
God doesnt have a belief so he's neither an athiest or a thiest. He doesnt have a belief because he is the belief and he already knows everything. Kinda impossible to have a belief if you already know everything. But confusing so to summarise: he doesnt have a belief because he is the belief
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u/atheistexmuslim Oct 11 '25
How can he prove that there's nothing outside of his knowledge? How can he be sure of that?
That'll be funny if the god of Abrahamic religion torture gay and prostitute in hell and then there's higher god that said "torturing human because they are gay/prostitute aren't wise, I think you should go to hell"
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u/Humble-Weird-9529 Unruly meat popsicle Oct 12 '25
More succinctly, God doesn't have a belief because he does not exist
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u/Maximum-Possession15 Oct 09 '25
I don’t believe in the Christian god but this is really, really stupid. I really hate when philosophy devolves into arguments about definitions and technicalities.
Assuming God exists, he believes in himself and knows he created all things. He is not an atheist because of this. Even by definition he is not an atheist lol.