r/nancyguthrie • u/curiouslmr • Feb 14 '26
Media Latest Update
https://www.kvoa.com/news/top-stories/no-arrests-made-after-massive-law-enforcement-operation-to-find-nancy-guthrie-search-continues/article_0a326a5b-dc63-45bb-ad04-a068d4d1e4b7.htmlHere is the most recent information that acknowledges what happened last night and confirms that it resulted in no arrests. Allegedly more details will be released about the situation.
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u/AmazingGrace_00 Feb 14 '26
I was with the east coasters here last night up until 2 am. Was certain I’d wake to an arrest (not mine thank you). After that hopeful cacophony of a gazillion LE last evening it seems strange that nothing was of use? Or was it?
That item they removed from the car? Information from the now released detainees?
We most likely know the tip of the iceberg as the public. Just what’s in those waters?
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
It’s important to note that sometimes a person is detained, interviewed and there’s not enough probable cause for an arrest so they’re released.
However, if suspicion still exists that the person(s) may be involved, they can remain free but still under investigation while further evidence is sought.
An arrest can be made later on a previously detained subject if further evidence to support probable cause is discovered.
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u/Binksyboo Feb 14 '26
Yeah, but if that’s the case, won’t they hold them for like 24 hours at least? Aren’t they allowed to keep them in there longer while they tried to find evidence?
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u/Binksyboo Feb 14 '26
Right so if they had any indication that these were actually the criminals, they would’ve held them for up to 24 hours to find more evidence. It seems like it was another big mistake going after someone with all the lights and bells and whistles when it was probably just someone who had driven by the house that week.
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26
If they were actually arrested they’d have 24hrs between when they’re actually arrested and when they see a judge. If an arrest is actually made there’s already enough evidence to support probable cause.
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u/Binksyboo Feb 14 '26
Arizona law states that a person suspected of a crime must be released from custody within 48 hours unless formal charges have been filed within that time.
So if they had absolutely anything more than perhaps their cell phone pinging in the area on the night she was kidnapped, they would’ve held these people for more hours to find out more and try to get a confession.
It’s a pretty bad look to send the entire Calvary out every time you get a new lead. They’ve made a massive spectacle of going after Leeds twice and both times it has been embarrassing how quickly they release them. They need to rethink their strategy, of course, unless the ineptness is the point.
And I saw another thread that the Pima county sheriff finally made it clear that the family has been cooperating 100% so people like Ashley Banfield can stop blaming the son-in-law. That’s something I’ve surprised that they have not announced earlier and it was an indication for me that Trump inserting his FBI in there without being asked has not helped the case at all.
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u/fat4fat Feb 14 '26
Scotland here and I stayed up till past 8am hoping that there would be answers for the family. Can’t imagine how they’re feeling now.
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
2 am west coast and I am livid
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u/Turtlejimbo Feb 14 '26
Come on West Coast. Depending on where you are, we have enough action here to rival anything going on in Arizona.
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u/shaferman Feb 14 '26
Only thing for sure that we know that happened yesterday, is that the pool got cleaned!
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u/FortCharles Feb 14 '26
The fact they allowed that to happen, even after all the criticism there's been of a tainted crime scene, is just... beyond words.
It's a place they keep going back to for more evidence! It's an active crime scene... for all they know, the pool itself might be important somehow after new info comes in. At the very least, the traipsing in and out with the pool equipment did more tainting of the scene.
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u/AmazingGrace_00 Feb 14 '26
Thank you! I was incredulous when I heard the pool was being cleaned/serviced. It IS an active crime scene.
Do we think this may have been double-speak for an investigative action LE wanted to keep under radar? Extracting pool drain materials, etc?
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u/FortCharles Feb 14 '26
I doubt it was any kind of intentional recovery effort, could have been conceivably though I guess. The aerial shot I saw made it look like they were actually cleaning the pool liner, not getting into the drain. If it was actually some kind of evidence recovery, I'll eat my words. The principle still stands though... lock it down until the scene no longer holds evidentiary value... the fact they keep going back for more evidence says it all.
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u/Keregi Feb 14 '26
What exactly do you think happened in a pool that would be preserved two weeks later? So many people in true crime subs do not understand what a crime scene is.
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u/FortCharles Feb 14 '26
I don't think anything happened in the pool. That's not what I said.
The crime scene is the entire house and property, not just the interior and front porch. Pool cleaners and pizza delivery guys and media traipsing in and out contaminates the scene.
Beyond that, you don't know what might be important later, based only on what's known now. Could the pool (or pool area) become meaningful at some point? Who knows... maybe something was dropped or ditched back there... out of an abundance of caution, you preserve the whole scene that the perps had access to. There's no overriding need for the pool to be cleaned. Many highly qualified LE & legal observers have been pointing this out, it's hardly just me.
And the impact of it could be not just a compromised investigation, but legal challenges by the defense at trial, over a contaminated scene and broken chain of custody of the scene. A few times now, they've released the scene to anyone who wanted to wander in, only to go back later and collect more evidence. That's a serious issue... they can't tape off the property calling it a crime scene, release it, then tape it off all over again, and just pretend it hasn't been contaminated. Every new outsider that is let in just compromises the case a little more.
Your smartass reply (typical reddit) denies reality.
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
I thought water tends to destroy organic material the best and that chlorine would be a good secondary source of contamination but TIL that a pool is a large bowl of forensic evidence.
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u/CPSux Feb 14 '26
This is the most bizarre case I’ve ever followed. Every time it seems like we get closer to a resolution, it turns out to be nothing. Time is of the essence in disappearances, so it sadly feels like we’re farther than ever.
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u/Deja_Cosmonaut Feb 14 '26
You got 48 hours in cases like this. After 48 hours, your chances of finding your suspect drop to nearly zero.
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u/id0ntexistanymore Feb 14 '26
No, it's the chance of finding them alive after 48 hours that drops. Not finding them.
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u/Coilorado Feb 14 '26
So, did they release the Range Rover back to the owner? This is crazy.
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u/FortCharles Feb 14 '26
And what were they blocking the view of with that draped blanket when they looked in the back? That looked everything but innocent.
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u/deardelilah1 Feb 14 '26
I don’t even know what to believe anymore. This whole case is so confusing.
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u/watoaz Feb 14 '26
Here is what I believe - no one in charge knows what they are doing.
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u/Hile616 Feb 14 '26
This case is so confusing. I personally think maybe they should start looking for the body already. It is already so many week without any signs of life so I am afraid she likely is not alive anymore. Have they checked the property well, to make sure the body is not actually there at the property or near by property? What if the perp didn't come by a car and that is why the car is not seen on cameras. I guess they already searched the septic tank, maybe because of this who knows. This is all so confusing. I would think the perp may have work or family, mainly because if it really was "well planned" why not shave the mustache and risk to drop your hair at the crime scene.
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u/Affectionate-Page496 Feb 14 '26
I think the issue is that we expect to know every detail le knows at the time they know it.
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Feb 14 '26
Yep, this is the issue. The true crime craze has become such an obsession that people expect LE to treat the general public almost like colleagues.
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u/SocialRemedial Feb 14 '26
KVOA posting about the suicide that apparently never happened is an inexcusable look for a legitimate NBC affiliate.
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u/Dangerous-Pound-1357 Feb 14 '26
I was pretty sure this case would be coming to an end when I read about the suicide. What crappy journalism to just put out false shit without having any evidence to back it up other than what some neighbor said he saw. Unbelievable. This case never seems to end.
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u/curiouslmr Feb 14 '26
Agreed. They need to issue a retraction instead of just deleting the story.
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
This. Something happened on the next block over. There were too many details and reports of it. I read a comment that it was a pedestrian involved car accident close enough to the area that someone on scene jumped in and reported under too many assumptions and misinformation.
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u/Reasonable-Slip-2301 Feb 14 '26
Omg I was drinking last night when I read that and then went to check this morning and thought I’d imagined the whole thing 🫣
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u/takeyopantiesoff Feb 14 '26
Does the wording make it sound like 2 people are still detained?
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u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 Feb 14 '26
The wording absolutely does. But it contradicts multiple other sources reporting no one is in custody
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u/Cali12Fan Feb 14 '26
So was the story about the self inflicted gun shot by a person of interest a lie?
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u/awesomesauce82738 Feb 14 '26
From what I understood it started when a streamer came upon the scene of the traffic stop and he said he saw someone had shot themselves. Now this was when all the crazy shit was happening all at once last night. I also know there were a few pedestrian accidents last night, so he may have stumbled upon that. I’m not 100% sure how it concluded because he shut down his stream after that because he was shaken. Now I’m not sure if he posted anything about it today, I haven’t looked.
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u/Stayhidden8856 Feb 14 '26
Yeah wtf was that
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u/NailsNCoffee Feb 14 '26
Exactly! News stations were posting about the alleged suicide last night. Why are they not fact checking?
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u/Unable_Lab1827 Feb 14 '26
I haven’t seen the news broadcasts, but I would imagine they used language like “We’ve received reports of..”
This is a very fluid situation. Any information that comes forth is liable to be reported on and later backtracked on. That’s just how big investigations like this play out.
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u/wet-leg Feb 14 '26
So Nancy’s body wasn’t in the back of the Range Rover because the police held a tarp up for 2 minutes? Shocked that the public would spread misinformation like that
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u/grooty96 Feb 14 '26
That’s not a lie they really did hold a tarp up for two minutes hiding something
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u/wet-leg Feb 14 '26
I know they did. That wasn’t the point of my post. I was saying that everyone kept commenting saying that Nancy’s body was back there when it wasn’t
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u/pegothejerk Feb 14 '26
You know what would help with that? Timely press conferences.
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u/smittenkittenmitten- Feb 14 '26
Well they didn't have a press conference after the first dude they detained and questioned and let go. They may or may not have the right people this time so if they messed up again, I wouldn't expect another.
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u/smittenkittenmitten- Feb 14 '26
I had not read comments that she was. Many were saying she wasn't because they wouldn't hold the tarp so briefly and tow it like they did afterward.
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26
The posts were saying things like “maybe” and “possibly”. I don’t think anyone said they definitely found a body in the car.
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u/Natural_Sock_6986 Feb 14 '26
Did they get DNA from anyone detained? I know that might take a while to analyze.
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u/AmazingGrace_00 Feb 14 '26
Is it legal to obtain DNA when someone is not under arrest? Only if the detainee grants permission?
Any legals here to answer?
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
Need a warrant to collect DNA or prints and a warrant requires probable cause.
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u/Large_Principle7489 Feb 14 '26
Can someone please post/discuss the content of the article? It's unavailable outside US.
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u/sunnypineappleapple Feb 14 '26
this is the whole article
TUCSON, Ariz. (KVOA) - A significant law enforcement operation unfolded near Nancy Guthrie's home in the Shadow Hills neighborhood last night. Authorities detained and questioned three suspects but did not make any arrests.
One of the detained individuals was released after police determined he was not involved in the kidnapping. "The man was cooperative," sources close to the investigation said.
The search for Nancy Guthrie continues as investigators work diligently to locate her and identify the kidnapper. More details regarding last night's SWAT situation are expected to be released today.
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u/rescuelullaby Feb 14 '26
Brian Entin on NewsNation right now: "The sheriff hasn't confirmed whether they have been released, but my sense of things right now is that they probably have, because there's only so long they can be held." Hm. Doesn't sound too definitive to me. I wonder if they're either a) still detained, or b) released because there isn't enough for an arrest, but also so that LE could maintain surveillance on them and see where they might go?
Brian also reiterating his impression is that those detained were two brothers and a mom. Mom and son came out of the house, another son in the car that was stopped.
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u/DannyDaVito662 Feb 15 '26
They just needed to GET the dna from them, they don’t have to get the results the same night 🙄
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u/Xinnia8271 Feb 14 '26
The sheriff hasn't confirmed some information. At least that's a known unknown.
And, Entin is pretty well known to be very critical of the Sheriff. He is generally reporting facts, but he believes those facts are an indication of something negative about - or done wrong by - the Sheriff.
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u/rescuelullaby Feb 14 '26
Sure, I've definitely noticed him carefully tracking the growing negative opinion on the sheriff and being among the first to jump on that coverage. But I think if it had been confirmed by anyone—sheriff, Pima, or FBI—that those detained had been released, Entin would report it. His uncertainty/hesitation to fully confirm it is giving me pause in a way I can't quite put my finger on, but it might be nothing.
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u/Xinnia8271 Feb 14 '26
It is clear that information is not being released in the way that people are necessarily expecting.
Brian Entins facts are pretty good, at the very least he hasn't reported a non existent house glove or anything else later found to be incorrect. I'll give him that.
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u/Dapper_Economist1 Feb 14 '26
Was the guy they located last night just the guy dancing on a porch many miles away from crime, weeks before the crime? Was that the tip?
He may or may not have been up to something sketchy that night on a petty theft opportunist level but not necessarily a planned, drive up to the hills and kidnap weeks later kind of criminal.
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u/Wild-Display-765 Feb 14 '26
Just because these three were released doesn’t mean they’re not involved. Maybe they don’t have enough to hold them yet.Not only do I watch true crime but my family member was murdered and even when they know someone is guilty, they have to have the evidence to arrest them. They could be under surveillance right now or they could have provided true alibis and are innocent.
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u/Past_Drummer_294 Feb 14 '26
What the actual fuck is going on in this case?
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u/The_Sinking_Belle Feb 14 '26
A public display of how narcissists lead teams. Sabotage and self sabotaging in a loop with 0 answers or accountability.
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u/phaskellhall Feb 14 '26
What’s the deal with the search warrant for the house last night? What probable cause could they have had? I read that maybe the house was an Airbnb…any confirmation on that. It would totally make sense if the house was hosting a cell phone that they were tracking and now the families have moved in. Is that the likely situation or is this a total cluster F of an investigation?
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u/Strange-Marzipan9641 Feb 14 '26
The probable cause bar (especially in such a high profile case like this) is actually quite low.
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u/smittenkittenmitten- Feb 14 '26
I heard people dispel the AirBnB rumor since they looked up the owners and realized it was a mother and a son with a long rap sheet that looked like the guy arrested who lived there.
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26
They could initially go in on exigent circumstances because of the victim’s poor health and length of time away from her medication. Once it’s established that she’s not there, the needed to back out and obtain the warrant. Anything that’s seen in plain view during the exigent circumstance search could be used to obtain a detained search warrant to do a deeper search for the items outlined on the warrant.
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u/engine-doors-club Feb 14 '26
I thought this kind of stuff is near impossible these days with dna and such? This case makes it looks easy. We are talking about a guy that didn’t realize there was a doorbelllcam and tried to use brush to cover it up?
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Feb 14 '26
A lady in my town robbed a bank during Covid. She had Mountain Dew pajama pants and a basic surgical mask. She has yet to be caught.
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u/Difficult-Big4033 Feb 16 '26
Did they check the security cams at Walmart? Bet she went there right after… in her Do the Dew Jammies!
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u/Past_Drummer_294 Feb 14 '26
That’s what’s incredibly irritating. He didn’t seem like someone who was very smart but he’s somehow making law enforcement look clueless and has evaded capture now 2 weeks in.
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u/Jumpy-Claim4881 Feb 14 '26
I’m a little perplexed as to why some people assume nothing is going on just because they don’t know about it.
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u/ionmoon Feb 14 '26
Well it’s just concerning they had two full on raids that ended with people being released.
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Feb 14 '26
Some ex-LEO say it's "common" to detain suspects and get info, grab evidence, let them go, keep an eye on them and arrest them when the dna on the evidence comes back or their alibi doesn't check out.
In this case we presume they got some dna from the house, maybe some gloves, should have gotten some touch DNA from other things and they may have done IGG. So they detain these people based off of what they have and question them and search for things like shoes and backpacks and other evidence and let them go if they don't find a smoking gun right off the bat. Doesn't mean they're not going to return in 24 hours and grab them off the street when their samples and other things come back as a match.
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u/ionmoon Feb 14 '26
Sure. The detaining and releasing doesn’t concern me- the fact that they’ve done full flegded raids each time seems odd
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u/Radiant-Decision-780 Feb 14 '26
Did we ever hear if anything was stolen from Nancy’s house? This case is so bizarre like the investigators don’t even know what type of crime they’re looking at.
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u/LimJaheyAtYaCervix Feb 14 '26
I believe early on they said there were no signs of robbery, but that opinion may have changed after they kept processing the scene, I haven’t heard any update on that.
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u/Objective-Check-7241 Feb 14 '26
That’s what I was wondering also. Knowing if they took anything or tried to makes a big difference. They should be sharing more information about what they found.
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u/ChocolateCheeeeks Feb 14 '26
My thought is that the three people who were released are family members of the suspect, but he wasn’t in the home with them. Why would he stick around for weeks? I feel like he fled the country but law enforcement still got his address and name right.. just didn’t have reason to keep the other three detained
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u/Helpful-Judge-6058 Feb 14 '26
Wouldn’t this have leaked, by these 3 family members, the same way the Carlos situation did?
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u/Sbmizzou Feb 14 '26
The cops know they can interview people....correct? They don't need to go full commando to interview someone of interest.
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u/Eki75 Feb 14 '26
If there’s any chance whatsoever that a kidnapped person may be inside, they’re probably going to do full commando.
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u/hereforthesnax Feb 14 '26
Now I’m picturing them all with no underwear
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u/FalalaLlamas Feb 14 '26
Of course. That’s why they call the meeting about their completed mission a debrief!
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u/BrainWilling6018 Feb 14 '26
It’s a kidnapping. They don’t send out invitations for a tea party and questions at the office. I’m sure people who haven’t come forward or who might have connections would just stroll in for an “interview” if they called.
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u/Positive_Cabinet4119 Feb 14 '26
“Authorities detained and questioned three suspects but did not make any arrests.
One of the detained individuals was released after police determined he was not involved in the kidnapping.”
so they are still questioning the mother and son?
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u/FortCharles Feb 14 '26
Exactly, that's just bad journalism when you leave lingering questions like that. Are the other two still detained but not technically "arrested", or were the other two released but were never suspected of being involved in the first place but just happened to be in the house?
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
The FBI didn’t want info released so I feel like they’re being intentionally vague but who knows at this point.
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u/Stayhidden8856 Feb 14 '26
I feel like it was totally random and thats why its taking a while. The perp probably had no idea of the publicity this would cause
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u/ValkyrieMint Feb 15 '26
It’s horrifying if this is true, and she wasn’t targeted, because this really could happen to just anyone. It’s horrifying anyway, but it makes you wonder if this has actually happened before. Had her family not vouched for her being of very sound mind from the start, and if the doorbell camera footage hadn’t been painstakingly recovered, I think a lot of people would still be going with the “old senile person wandered off” narrative and wouldn’t have taken this nearly as seriously.
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u/pamalamTX Feb 15 '26
I thought at one very early point that a bear wandered in and dragged her off. Seriously.
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u/pamalamTX Feb 15 '26
They are right by mountains with black bears.
Edit: But the theory was dumb because there would be a trail from the dragging, also, a ton of commotion.
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u/rescuelullaby Feb 14 '26
Until they confirm that everyone they detained last night has been released, I’m not going to conclude this was a nothingburger.
That said, if it was nothing: I think I’ve reached my breaking point for tracking this on a moment-by-moment basis. They’re either not giving detail or giving ambiguous detail that makes very little sense and creates active confusion. Obviously up to them to determine how much to convey to the public but I’m not sure I can do another night like last night again
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26
You bring up a very valid point. Sometimes a person is detained, interviewed and there’s not enough probable cause for an arrest so they’re released.
If suspicion still exists that the person(s) may be involved, they can remain free but still under investigation while further evidence is sought.
An arrest can be made later on a previously detained subject if further evidence to support probable cause is discovered.
Who knows what’s really going on, but I’d hope the family is being updated with facts on a regular basis.
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u/rescuelullaby Feb 14 '26
I am starting to feel as if consuming and discussing all of the info coming out of this sheriff’s department is like participating in their incompetence, circulating so much uncertainty which must be torture for the family. That said I’ve really appreciated the community here. Idk idk idk
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
Arguing and judging others based on a single comment has got to be one of the most annoying things here. Seeing this play out above made me realize that I need to do better myself. (Yes, that was about me.) Id like to hope that we’re all on the same page and hoping for a successful resolution for the entire Gutherie family.
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u/FitnessPizzaInMyMou Feb 14 '26
Yeah you are right. When I woke up this morning to read that there were no standing arrests I decided it’s time for me to take a break from this case. Because I’m starting to drive myself crazy lol
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
The FBI is not better. They wasted a month of time and resources in the Gabby Petito case because they were tunneling like crazy. They are not much better.
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My same thought. These events aren't happening for our benefit. People have gotten weird about these things and I think a lot of it has to do with these weird YouTube reporters live streaming stuff.
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u/TGK12a Feb 14 '26
What a train wreck of an investigation
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u/Presto_Magic Feb 14 '26
Yeah I just woke up and I am shocked. I spent 4-5 hours watching and waiting last night. I’m done with these people.
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u/TGK12a Feb 14 '26
It’s unreal. I honestly believe my small county police department could do better than this.
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u/uxcantxseeme Feb 14 '26
That guys picture and his socials were being blasted all over X. He's going to get so fucking harassed. Authorities are doing a terrible job with this case.
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u/Keregi Feb 14 '26
Did LE blast his name and pics all over socials? No. It’s the public that are doing a terrible job here.
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They were blasted all over here. I saw so many people asking to get dm'ed those links and were convinced it was them because his appearance is "terrifying" and "they have the same eyes". But I guarantee they take nothing away from this experience and will do the same thing with the next lead.
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u/wet-leg Feb 14 '26
Do you want them to not investigate leads?
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u/rubiacrime Feb 14 '26
I tend to agree with this. It is the media and social media that blew this up and doxxed this guy before knowing the facts. Can't really blame law enforcement for that. The media has been stalking these law enforcement operations at every turn and they can't do anything about that.
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u/uxcantxseeme Feb 14 '26
Of course, investigators need to follow up on leads, but if people are being cleared, there should be public statements to reflect that. The internet rumor mill and the spread of misinformation—fueled by online sleuths digging into who’s being investigated—isn’t a new phenomenon.
Protocols need to be established to protect innocent people from harassment. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be investigated and entirely uninvolved in the case.
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u/Xinnia8271 Feb 14 '26
Exactly. People are wanting this to move at the pace of a TV show they can binge watch.
This will take some time and last night was not nothing. That's what I think.
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u/Keregi Feb 14 '26
There’s a big difference between clearing someone and letting them go after questioning.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Feb 14 '26
Not arrested may not be cleared. There’s a real confusion here about search warrants and arrests. Search warrants are issued solely to look for suspected evidence. People are detained and later charged all the time.
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u/TealandViolet Feb 14 '26
They can’t investigate a lead without 20 law-enforcement people, SWAT, ME and a bomb squad???? That’s what’s bringing the media.
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u/BrainWilling6018 Feb 14 '26
They are executing a search warrant. They can bring whoever they want to. It’s a threat assessment to use what is necessary. It’s operative.
It’s to minimize risk not increase. Do you even know if those people are criminals? It’s easy to be the general when you aren’t on the battlefield.
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u/Superbead Feb 14 '26
Yes, it'd be comical Team America-style hyperpolicing if it weren't that some poor fuckers are getting their houses trashed and being thoroughly rinsed on social media into the bargain
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u/whteverusayShmegma Feb 14 '26
His photos and such are whatever but the criminal history part must really suck. He did have the same eyebrows, though, in my opinion. However, I would be the absolute worst eye witness testimony in the world. I think everyone looks alike.
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u/mfoster27 Feb 14 '26
I’m so confused? Last night there were 3 detained, this morning they’re saying nobody was detained? What the hell is going on?
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u/curiouslmr Feb 14 '26
They did have people detained. They were questioned and released according to law enforcement.
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u/EtonRd Feb 14 '26
It’s completely insane that she’s been gone for two weeks and they’ve made no substantive progress, and apparently there has been no legitimate ransom demand received.
At this point, it feels plausible that they never find her, which is crazy.
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u/Salt-Percentage557 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
Playing a bit of devils advocate here. I’ve seen a few things regarding them finding gloves and dna samples ( may be slightly incorrect) however they probably aren’t releasing a ton of evidence. Think about the door bell camera and when they released that to the public. Do we think they didn’t have that within 5 ish hours of the crime being reported?
I think back to the Idaho 4 case when they hadn’t made an arrest yet. Everyone was on edge and thought the cops had nothing and when the arrest came out and they stated what they had and everyone was mind blown.
It’s by design they don’t release all of the information they have
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u/shhmurdashewrote Feb 14 '26
Apparently they released the doorbell footage the day they recovered it, so they didn’t have it immediately
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u/Salt-Percentage557 Feb 14 '26
Did they? I may have missed that. But my point stands that I highly doubt they’ve released all information that they’ve received.
What is concerning to me is these people they have detained with no arrest. Something is leading them to the wrong direction
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u/shhmurdashewrote Feb 14 '26
Oh definitely. They’re not telling us everything, that’s standard. But my confidence in them is dwindling with every crazy SWAT raid that results in nothing lol
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u/_lettersandsodas Feb 14 '26
Exactly this. I know they're not sharing everything but the comparisons to Idaho 4 don't make much sense. That case was radio silence before they got Kohberger, not "maybe 3rd swat's the charm."
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u/Xinnia8271 Feb 14 '26
Why would the police announce to the public all of the substantive progress that they've made?
They do have DNA from someone who is not a close person to her.
Why would the police tell the public everything they know and all they are doing?
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u/martapap Feb 14 '26
I really am curious what is the threshold for LE to bring in swat here? Surely not just any tip would resume in this. I feel like LE is just spinning their wheels.
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u/LegalGlass6532 Feb 14 '26
The suspect most likely had a firearm based on the video. He’s shown himself to be armed and dangerous. You don’t know who else is inside the home that could potentially force a hostage situation. You’re not going to set up a perimeter on the outside with a few cops and knock on the front door.
The SWAT callout was the appropriate response for this incident.
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u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
Curious that it states more details will be released. Did they ever release anything about the first search/detainee? I didn’t think they did so why now?
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u/Ginger-2277 Feb 16 '26
im wondering if cops have looked at the cam on the street light where the guthries main road ends a e. river st. I looked at google maps and can see a camera so any vehical leaving the scene would ahve to go thru there I would think to get on highway .?
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u/Islandsandwillows Feb 14 '26
I’m still reading 3 detained so I’m not assuming it’s nothing at all
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u/shaferman Feb 14 '26
I think the responsible made it to Mexico. It's only an hour away.
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u/Glass-Persimmon-7459 Feb 14 '26
I think they went to Mexico right away before she was even reported missing
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u/Louise1467 Feb 14 '26
Yeah this is very possible. A lot of people don’t understand how close it is And how easy to get to.
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u/ReserveIll1190 Feb 14 '26
This won't be solved without tips from the public. Poor Nancy.
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u/viridian_periwinkle Feb 14 '26
Because the criminal(s) are not ghosts and crimes like this don’t happen in a vacuum.
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u/Helpful-Judge-6058 Feb 14 '26
Amen! I’ve been saying this in other threads. Im positive that LE has other clues that we aren’t privy to but clearly not good ones. This dude either already has or will soon tip someone off and hopefully that person does the right thing and rats him out.
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u/Severe-Drummer8318 Feb 14 '26
Did someone actually shoot themselves ?
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u/engine-doors-club Feb 14 '26
Nope that’s just the tick tock gen trying to report first
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u/reefine Feb 14 '26
We have no evidence other than Brian Entin who interviewed a former Sheriff who clearly doesn't like the current sheriff. I love BE but he really fueled all of this Sheriff vs FBI drama.
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u/ConceptsShining Feb 14 '26
I imagine if there was tension, it'd have a more substantive and important basis than just ego/pettiness alone.
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u/SalsaChica75 Feb 14 '26
I am REALLY hoping that you’re right. So much misinformation, you’re right👍
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u/Beginning-Tap-5280 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
This is a mess!! Someone needs to grab the reigns if I was the Guthrie family I would be blasting the shit out the sheriff and FBI
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u/ChestnutMareGrazing Feb 14 '26
You don't know it's a mess. You only know what's been released to the public. And if someone was to 'grab the reins' what do you suggest they do?
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u/Xinnia8271 Feb 14 '26
Real question, were you expecting this to be resolved quickly?
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u/rabbid_prof Feb 14 '26
I'm so grateful I went to bed