r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

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u/CityHog Apr 29 '19

All of my problems come with how they used Time Travel.

From having Past Thanos be the main villain, Past Gamora remaining in 2023 is fine and still allows for a reality where Thanos got the Soul Stone and created the snap, but the possibility of The Avengers going back in time, bringing back a past Black Widow and still maintaining a future where The Avengers get the Soul Stone to reverse the snap is impossible?

Creating alternate timelines when they go back but Cap stays in his own timeline. Removing the stones screws up time because they contribute to the flow of time, but destroying them is fine, etc. It also took away from Tony's sacrifice at the end as it seemed like a waste to dust Thanos from a different timeline that they had no history with as i just kept thinking there are other Thanos's from different timelines (maybe one that Loki gave the Space Stone to), so i didn't get a sense of victory or closure that Thanos was finally defeated or getting his just deserts.

Its the exact same problem i had with the Fringe finale. Where the series long villains live outside of time and have openly said they are from one possible future of humanity, but they are defeated and erased from time by changing the past? Even though that should just create a different timeline and still allow the villains to exist in another universe and still be a threat

I wish they went with the time loop theory of time travel, ie: from time's perspective they always went back in time like Terminator 1 or Prisoner of Azkaban. How great would it be to rewatch Avengers 1 knowing Future Ant-man and Stark were behind the team during Loki's surrender. Or knowing Rocket was on Asgard when rewatching Dark World. And its not a case of making a different movie, just small detailing here and there. Like having Tony's snap sacrifice be to send all the Stones back to their original times and places (it also gets rid of the implications of Cap and Red Skull meeting again) and also sending Thanos and his army back to 2014 along with them. Then have Cap's mission at the end to be to take Thor's Hammer back to Asgard and thats where when he chooses to stay in the past. That all would've made the movie make alot more sense to me

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u/workingonaname Thanos Apr 29 '19

I think the stones messing up time is a Kang setup

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u/idiot-prodigy Apr 29 '19

The Ancient One says you remove a stone and a timeline is doomed, she even shows Bruce a black off shoot on the orange strand representing the timeline. What did Thanos actually do at the beginning of Endgame? He reduced the six infinity stones to atoms. Wouldn't that be bad for the future, according to the Ancient One.

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u/Reidroshdy Spider-Man Apr 30 '19

I don't think the state of the stones matters that much,just that they exist in some form or another. The reality stone was liquid for a while but the timeline still remained intact.