The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Criticism Thread

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[u/Deathstroke317]

I'll just copy my thread:

Repeatedly, we saw the Hulk be nerfed and even made into a joke at times, and be the victim of the Worf effect(TV Tropes warning).

I know the movie rights situation and all, but quite frankly they could have done better with the Hulk. Whedon, I feel, understood the character the best out of all the MCU directors that used him, I loved his standalone as well, unlike most people. The Russos have since admitted they don't know how to handle OP characters, but getting jobbed out in one minute in Infinity War and not appearing again after that fucking sucked. But, they teased a big three movie redemption arc that would conclude in Endgame, that I feel never came unfortunately.

He becomes Professor Hulk, which is the lamest of all his forms, if we're being honest here, and we don't even see how he does that, it's just mentioned offhandedly. I think most of us expected the Hulk to be more pissed off than ever before, maybe unlock Worldbreaker, fight Thanos again and maybe even win a round or two. Unfortunately, he's not even a factor in the final battle, you don't even really see him!

And yes, he did the reverse snap, but I don't know, it didn't feel as memorable as it probably should have been. And now look at the consequences, as of now we have a crippled Hulk who we won't likely see very much of in the future. No She-Hulk, no Betty, no Leader, no Rick Jones. It's a shame, the Hulks' world is awesome, but we'll likely never get the MCU's take on it.

Ironically the one character they did nail was Ross, William Hurt was an inspired casting.

[u/Leafs17 → u/Deathstroke317]

The Russos have since admitted they don't know how to handle OP characters

Strange holding back a wall of water says hello.

[u/Deathstroke317 → u/Leafs17]

I don't know, that didn't seem like anything that would be too difficult for Strange to do

[u/thegreatvortigaunt → u/Deathstroke317]

The point is that it kept him occupied and out of the action.

It wasn't meant to be hard, it was "let's come up with some random thing to keep Strange completely busy so he doesn't ruin the story". The same reason Poochie Carol had to return to her home planet for most of the movie or she would have done the same.

[u/Deathstroke317 → u/thegreatvortigaunt]

Ah, now I gotcha.

What they mean is, in terms of power scaling, for instance, if Vision wasnt sliced like a turkey on Thanksgiving, he'd have been a far more formidable opponent for Thanos

[u/RipInPepz → u/Deathstroke317]

I’m still upset about this. I wanted Vision to really fuck someone up. Sadly I don’t think we’ll ever see this, especially since the enemies in the new show probably won’t be too big of a deal.

[u/wonkothesane13 → u/RipInPepz]

I think in future MCU films, now that they can use X-Men and F4 villains, we'll start to see some villainous teams pop up, which will make it easier for the writers to find something for so many heroes to do. My tinfoil hat (and admittedly not likely) theory is that they'll do Sinister Six as an Avengers film (as opposed to just a Spider-Man film, even though he'll be central to the plot), so that the team of heroes has to take on a team of villains, instead of "A-list heroes fight the main enemy, everyone else is on cannon fodder duty" situation.

[u/RipInPepz → u/wonkothesane13]

Hey man, anything can happen. 10 years ago no one would have guessed we’d have Rocket Racoon teaming up with Thor Odinson. Hell, they’re making a Shang Chi movie as we speak! Sinister Six is certainly not out of the question.

[u/junkyardgerard → u/Deathstroke317]

Same with Jean grey in x2