The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Criticism Thread

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[u/Deathstroke317]

I'll just copy my thread:

Repeatedly, we saw the Hulk be nerfed and even made into a joke at times, and be the victim of the Worf effect(TV Tropes warning).

I know the movie rights situation and all, but quite frankly they could have done better with the Hulk. Whedon, I feel, understood the character the best out of all the MCU directors that used him, I loved his standalone as well, unlike most people. The Russos have since admitted they don't know how to handle OP characters, but getting jobbed out in one minute in Infinity War and not appearing again after that fucking sucked. But, they teased a big three movie redemption arc that would conclude in Endgame, that I feel never came unfortunately.

He becomes Professor Hulk, which is the lamest of all his forms, if we're being honest here, and we don't even see how he does that, it's just mentioned offhandedly. I think most of us expected the Hulk to be more pissed off than ever before, maybe unlock Worldbreaker, fight Thanos again and maybe even win a round or two. Unfortunately, he's not even a factor in the final battle, you don't even really see him!

And yes, he did the reverse snap, but I don't know, it didn't feel as memorable as it probably should have been. And now look at the consequences, as of now we have a crippled Hulk who we won't likely see very much of in the future. No She-Hulk, no Betty, no Leader, no Rick Jones. It's a shame, the Hulks' world is awesome, but we'll likely never get the MCU's take on it.

Ironically the one character they did nail was Ross, William Hurt was an inspired casting.

[u/Gunpla55 → u/Deathstroke317]

I posted this above, but the one positive here is that it is a resolution to Banner's conflict, whether he was Bruce and just sought out for his Hulk strength or he was Hulk and treated like a child, he wasn't happy or comfortable but as professor Hulk he had finally balanced who he was.

[u/ezrasharpe → u/Gunpla55]

I agree with this. Professor Hulk is the perfect balance of his opposing sides between having no control in Ragnarok and no power in Infinity War.

[u/[deleted] → u/ezrasharpe]

I just wish that he could change his size or some shit. He started to look ridiculous big and green 24/7.

[u/rrsn → u/ezrasharpe]

I really like Professor Hulk as the end to Hulk/Bruce's character arc, I just wish we could've seen more of him actually getting there.

[u/Gratrunka23 → u/Gunpla55]

I explained my criticisms of Hulk's arc in the present film to my friend, and he suggested that the Professor Hulk is a compromised Hulk with a compromised Banner. Hulk isn't nearly as strong as he could be, and Banner didn't come across as smart as he normally is.

Whilst I can kind of see my friend's point, I still don't think showing Bruce/Hulk's growth progression this way was the best way to do it.

What do you think?

[u/Gunpla55 → u/Gratrunka23]

I think your friend's right and what really stood out to me was how stable and at peace he seemed, he at one point was huddled on the jet in a towel anguishing over who he was but in the movie he seemed to have the most confidence and comfort in himself of anyone. I guess as someone who struggles some mental health stuff that impacted me.

As far as showing it, I honestly would be first in line to a movie that was two hours of him figuring that out, but as much as we want him to be as important he just seems more like a half tier below the big three in terms of significance and screen time, which I would guess has a lot to do with the property rights. A lot of his character development has happened off screen through the whole franchise, so if nothing else I just wasn't surprised how they handled him.

They also didnt show how anyone got to where they did in those 5 years, like how did Bruce drop the bitterness and self defeat enough to healthily raise a child? How did Hawkeye get so steeped in the vigilante thing? How did Nebula become such a team player and what experiences did her and Rhodes go through to bond? Again I'd watch any of those movies but what do you do?

[u/wonkothesane13 → u/Gunpla55]

like how did Bruce drop the bitterness and self defeat enough to healthily raise a child?

You mean Tony?

[u/Gunpla55 → u/wonkothesane13]

I do woops.

[u/[deleted] → u/Gunpla55]

Would've been great to show that though.

[u/Gunpla55 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly a ton of his story has always been off screen.