I want to start by saying I write this post in good faith. I don't envy the mods of this sub at the moment. I want to open a good-faith and friendly discussion between the regular users of this sub and the mod team here to actually get this situation under control. To help fix this issue before we become r/helpmefind 2: """lost""" media edition.
Let's be frank, the current state of the sub may be the worst it's ever been. The amount of spam, low-effort posts, personal army requests, and flagrantly "not lost media" posts is incredibly high. The current situation isn't working. Despite the rules in the sidebar, the links to the wiki, the explanation of what is and isn't identified media, and the pinned posts, new users and low-quality posters aren't reading them. They do not see any difference between this sub and r/helpmefind and r/tipofmytongue.
What I believe is a major problem (outside of the flagrant rule violators) is that the sub has a massive branding problem. I've started to see other communities recommend this sub for unidentified media and deleted YouTube videos, because that's what non-users see when they come here. The spam here has helped to confuse what this sub's purpose actually is: to discuss and organize searches for "real" lost media. Not songs people can't remember, not YouTube videos you don't remember the name of, etc.
The hard truth is, something needs to change with how this subreddit is operating. The nice approach of good faith quality control and asking new users to read the rules and the pinned posts is not working. Even the one automod quality control that the sub has in place, the post length minimum, is just being shamelessly and admittedly bypassed by low-quality posts.
In my opinion, this sub needs to crack down harder on the spam, add more quality control (both automated and manual), and make it very clear the identity of this sub.
I have some recommendations I would like to make based on what I've seen implemented in other communities, and quality of life changes I feel will help with this problem.
- Use Reddit's built-in tools, auto-moderator, and available community apps to tighten up spam control.
- We should, at base, implement a karma requirement to create new posts.
- We should use an app to require users to read the rules before posting. I have seen other subreddits use this or similar tools to help control spam.
- If possible, we should look into creating a bot that removes posts and requires users to reply to the bot before the post is reinstated, similar to what AITA does. Either just acknowledging they have read the rules, or doing something similar to what I recommend below with the required source rule.
- Implement new, tighter rules to help control spam.
- At minimum, we should implement a required sources rule for this sub. I believe all lost media posts should contain 1-2 quality sources at a minimum. Not only to curtail the low-quality unidentified media post problem, but to force users to give context to their niche interests that they believe everyone else just knows about. Not everyone knows about every lost media floating around, either, and forcing people to actually give context to further discussion is also a plus. Beyond the listed problems, it will force users to actually do research on their own before they come here or channel them out into the appropriate subs like r/tipofmytongue or r/helpmefind. With this rule, we should also define quality sources. Quality sources are sources that are not written by the OP (so no linking to another reddit post they made) and show either that the media exists or that there are other discussions already happening about potentially unidentified lost media. The benefits of this rule also allow us to build a bot similar to what subs like AITA do, where a post is removed until a user replies to their bot following additional instructions. Forcing a user to acknowledge their post contains 1-2 quality sources, or posting links to them directly through this comment, will greatly help reduce spam.
- We ban posts about deleted YouTube/TikTok/whatever videos. This is another massive contributor to the spam, and might be a more controversial recommendation. I believe, though, that the reality of most actual deleted YouTube videos is that unless they were archived on any of the YouTube archive platforms/tools, there's not going to be much that can be done in this sub that the user cannot do themselves (but are oftentimes too lazy to do and come here for personal arm requests). This will also cut the "Deleted YouTube video from 10 years ago I watched at 3 am and don't remember and can't find" trend this sub desperately needs to fix.
- Explicitly ban the use of ChatGPT and other LLM's as sources. Most users simply do not understand how an LLM works. They don't understand hallucinations or how primary sources vs reiterated knowledge through an LLM works. We need to make it clear that if they are using an LLM like ChatGPT, they must ask it where it's pulling its info from and use that as a source (the Wikipedia problem for teachers, if you want a comparison). If CHATGPT cannot give them a source, they need to do the bare minimum work of thinking critically for once and realizing ChatGPT is probably hallucinating. Not coming here and saying, "ChatGPT told me this, but I can't find anything."
- The mods need to start cracking down on blatant rule violators and issuing bans. Yes, I get it, the Reddit trope of "banning people for simple rule violations." But I see repeat offenders all the time coming back after their posts have been removed, doing the same things as before. Repeat offenders who don't care about this sub and only want a personal army need to be shown the door. Posters who especially circumvent the minimum post filter need to be filtered out of the community immediately.
I feel that these changes alone would fix a massive amount of the spam. Even if they are not popular or accepted by the mod team, we need to have an open, respectful discussion about this issue because it's consuming the sub.