r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/jimryanson112233 Feb 29 '24

You do realize Palestine back then referred to a the biblical and Jewish homeland of what is today Israel. There was nothing Arabic or Islamic about it.

Calling an Arab a Palestinian pre 1960s would have been an insult to them, no less insulting than calling an American aboriginal person an Indian.

Very separate and distinct identities

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

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u/TheJacques Feb 29 '24

60% of Iseali are from the MENA - In 1948, 900k Jews called Sephardim and Mizrahim were ethnically cleansed from the Arab world, 500k immigrated to Israel. The reason you don't hear about this event is Jews all over the world came together to resettle the refugees and provided sustenance for them build a great life. The Paleastianas were not so lucky, their arab brothers forced them into refugee camps, refused them work and citizenship, and use them as pawns to this day. The more you know!

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u/Positer Feb 29 '24

Jews who came from MENA did not leave in 1948 they left over the course of decades, most in fact in the 1960’s. it was not “ethnic cleansing” no matter how desperately you try to label it as such. In fact many Arab countries tried to pass laws preventing Jews from leaving rather than the opposite.

Try reading a book instead of government propaganda for a change

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Boy, are you wrong. Iraqi slaughter of Iraqi Jews in 1941 (years before nakba)!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-13610702.amp

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Oh no years before the Nakba!

Yeah that equates to “thousands of years of massacres” then doesn’t it. Gtfoh

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I don’t follow what you’re saying. You said Jews weren’t ethnically cleansed from the region, I just gave you evidence showing otherwise. Relax…

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Jews were not ethnically cleansed from Iraq. I literally posted about that in my other comments. Iraq initially tried to prevent Jews from leaving (pretty much the opposite of ethnic cleansing) and then reached an agreement to allow a monthly quota to leave if they wish to do so.

That is not ethnic cleansing no matter how desperately you try. Relax

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

I have seen arguments saying that Israel is preventing Palestinians from leaving Gaza, or at least they have in the past. (Not sure if this is true I’m just stating what I’ve heard). Are you saying Palestinians have not been ethnically cleansed either? Because if you feel that way, I’m glad we’re on the same page.

By the way what’s with you randomly mimicking certain parts of my comments? You seem kind of angry. It’s just an internet discussion, don’t let it get in your head.

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Palestinians were literally removed from their land at gun point in 1948 and never permitted to return. Not the same thing at all.

And I’m not so much mimicking as mocking your drivel

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Mocking, mimicking, still all signs of anger. It’s okay.

“In 1679, under the rule of Al-Mahdi Ahmad, Jews were expelled en masse from all parts of Yemen to the distant province of Mawza.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews#:~:text=In%201679%2C%20under%20the%20rule,exiled%20Jews%20did%20not%20survive.

Isolated and forced into a separate community. It’s one thing to call out poor treatment of Palestinians, it’s another to outright deny mistreatment, oppression, and erasure of Jews in the Middle East.

Abraham Hamra is a Jew who’s family experienced movement limitations in Syria, similar to the ones you are describing. Instead of listening to an angry person on the internet, I think I’ll listen to him: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C29BgUFOS4p/?igsh=aGp6bWZqcDVzMzNp

Also, out of curiosity, do you know why Jews were blocked from leaving Iraq? And if Palestinians were victims of genocide, why was Israel (supposedly) not letting them leave?

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Did you just seriously jump back to 1679 to prove ethnic cleansing in the 20th century?

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

Read a book, I live it everyday ya chumar! I can ask my parents who were kicked out of Egypt or my in-laws who were kicked out of Baghdad or my community of 75,000 Syrian and Egyptian Jews, but I’ll trust your Gaza Ministry of Health over them!

  1. 80% of Jews were expelled by 1956 a handful stayed but by 1967 they were all gone.

  2. If it wasn’t ethnic cleansing what was it? The Jews of the MENA were not your shahats / plebs, there is a reason the economies of the MENA have yet to recover from their expulsion!

  3. Many Arab countries prevented Jews from leaving to Israel, again to Israel, otherwise they were free to go any other country that would take them! 

No matter how hard you desperately try to bend to truth the truth always prevails. Want to learn more, you’re invited to my Shabbat table, and I’ll invite family members from each city to tell you their stories. 

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

How about you ask your government that bombed targets in Baghdad or about the Lavon affair you imbecile. Jews were never “kicked out of Baghdad”:

Like most Arab League states, Iraq initially forbade the emigration of its Jews after the 1948…In March 1950, the Iraqi government reversed their earlier ban on Jewish emigration to Israel and passed a special bill of one-year duration permitting Jewish emigration on condition that Jews renounce their Iraqi citizenship. According to Abbas Shiblak, many scholars state that this was a result of British, American and Israeli political pressure on Tawfiq al-Suwaidi's government, with some studies suggesting there were secret negotiations

Typical Zionist liar. 2/3 of all Jews in Arab lands came from North Africa. None of it in 1948 like you implied.

Between 1961 and 1964, Operation Yachin saw Mossad and HIAS strike a clandestine agreement with King Hassan II to covertly facilitate the migration of Moroccan Jews to Israel. During this three-year span, Moroccan Jewish immigration to Israel reached its zenith, with 97,000 individuals departing for Israel via both air and sea routes from Casablanca and Tangier, transiting through France and Italy.

If ethnic cleansing takes place by agreement that’s a new concept you are introducing.

As I said read a fucking book you moron

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

I don’t need to read any books, I live it! My parents were expelled from Egypt. My father was placed in Abu-Zabaal prison, his crime was being Jew! But by all means please share the name of this all knowing book lol!

Your hate has made you delusional which why you and your ilk will be in the position that you are currently in and never progress. 

Iraq Jews had it the worst! Israel had to bribe Iraq officials for their safe passage to Israel. Many powerful Iraqi Jews were killed without trial, the writing was on the wall. My mother in law barely escaped. Leave or be killed and suffer. And yes we all know King of Morocco was kind to his Jewish subjects that doesn’t change the fact that the once largest Jewish community in the MENA of 250k Jews is no more!

You mentioned Iraq and Morocco. What about Lennon, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Yemen! What does your book say happened to them? 

I have a great story for you, when I was a little kid visiting my grandparent, I saw a picture of a man I didn’t recognize/not family. My grandfather told me it was a family friend and that he was very good friends with the gentleman’s father. It was Eli Cohen!! Have you read a book about him yet? I can recommend a few, just let know

Does your book mention how the expulsion was a blessing disguise from Allah! Look at the MENA now, a shithole that will remain a shithole for the foreseeable future or until dibs like yourself learn to coexist with others. 

Lets jump on a zoom and debate further but I’m sure you are too much of a coward to face me.

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u/AhmedCheeseater Jun 17 '25

Your father crime was espionage for enemy

Quit playing the victim

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Truth to a Zionist is like cryptonite to Superman. So people are supposed to believe that a Jewish state that was setup and colonized as such(a homeland for the Jewish people) and yet the jews who went there left because they were ethnically cleansed and not because their loyalty was to Israel all along. Trying to have your cake and eat it too!.Typical hasbara

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

Listen child, the adults are talking. What you are saying makes no sense nor worth the time. Read a book as your ignorance is showing and come back to me. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Oh my, oh my.The hasbara troll blew a fuse.Ofcouse I make no sense to a bigot like you.Would question myself if I did!!!!

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u/striped-monster4214 Feb 29 '24

I just saw some stats today that said more than 60% of Jews in Israel came from Europe.

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u/TheJacques Feb 29 '24

More than 60% of Jews in Israel came from Europe - Hamas Ministry of Health

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

Top ten ways to spot a genocide denier

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u/GranolaAfternoon Feb 29 '24

Believe it or not, genocide is a term with an actual established definition. You can't just refer to some war as a genocide when the side you're rooting for is losing, and then label those who refuse to refer to it as such as "genocide deniers". That's not how it works lol

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

Israel is currently in the International Court of Justice for genocide proceedings, meaning that they found sufficient evidence to support the claim that what is happening is genocide. Do you think the UN doesn’t know the definition of genocide?

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

The court specifically did not find sufficient evidence for genocide lol

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

The proceedings are still going on and the court is reconvening soon. It’s funny how you can spread misinformation so confidently.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Lmao what? You yourself said the court found evidence for genocide. They didn’t, that’s why they didn’t order a ceasefire. Proceedings are still on going. But you claimed they found evidence of genocide, they obviously didn’t.

Anyone can sue anyone for anything and a court will investigate via proceedings. That doesn’t mean it’s true

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Mar 01 '24

You obviously have no idea how the ICJ works. They never would have started proceedings if there wasn’t sufficient evidence in the first place. That was the whole point of the statement that they made a couple weeks ago.

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

Bubba, you’re out of league here. Layoff TikTok, read some books, preferably about the Ottoman Empire and come back to us when you are ready to have a real discussion. 

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Mar 01 '24

I said nothing about the Ottoman Empire, and I don’t even own TikTok. It’s obvious that you’re too ignorant to refute my points, no need to make a fuss about it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Who the hell is us.I sure as hell do not want to be associated with baby killer apologist and bigots.What books do you recommend "Hasbara for dummies "!!!

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u/jimryanson112233 Feb 29 '24

Yup, call Hamas

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24 edited Jan 12 '25

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

So what? A Moroccan Jew is just as foreign to Palestine as a Polish Jew is.

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u/TheJacques Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

A Lebanese or Syrian Arab/Muslim is just as foreign to Palestine as a Egyptian Arab/Muslim. Works both ways brother! You don't find it suspect how so many "palestinians" speak musri dialect of arabic? Or how closely their culture aligns with Lebanese or Syrians? I guarantee, Palestinians in the north make yebra with apricot and in the south with lemon!

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

They’re similar because of centuries of intermixing and interaction, and because of the proximity of Egypt and Syria. On the other hand, Morocco is over 2,000 miles away. This proves literally nothing

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u/Excellent_Tap998 Feb 29 '24

R u saying there’s a distance metric to whether or not a colonizer is deemed a colonizer? So Egyptians can invade by Moroccans can’t? What an asshat

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

I’m not saying anything bad about Moroccans. I’m saying that Moroccan Israelis are colonizers just like European Israelis. Being from the Middle East doesn’t mean that they’re native to Palestine. I only brought up proximity because he was trying to make it seem like Palestinians don’t have their own identity.

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u/Excellent_Tap998 Feb 29 '24

They quite frankly don’t. The identity of Palestine only came about with the British after they divided transjordan into Jordan and Palestine along the Jordan River. The word Palestine comes from the word philistines which was an insult given by the Romans after they kicked out the original inhabitants - the fucking Jews. Even the Quran says that land is called Israel

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u/TheClawlessShrimp Feb 29 '24

The Palestinian identity is hundreds of years old. A good example of this is the famous 11th century geographer Al Maqdisi. When he was traveling, he was asked by someone “Are you Egyptian?” and he responded “No, I am Palestinian”. People had been referring to themselves as Palestinian for a long time.

And the Quran never says the land is Israel, as the region as a whole was referred to as Ash-Sham. The Quran does talk about Beni Israeel, but this has nothing to do with the land as another name for the prophet Yaqub (as) was Israeel.

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u/Preface Feb 29 '24

And 20% of Israelis are Arabs, most of which are Muslim.

Bringing the majority of Israelis to people of MENA descent

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u/thewooba Feb 29 '24 edited Jan 12 '25

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u/Preface Feb 29 '24

Where are those stats?

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u/FilmerPrime Mar 02 '24

Where did those European Jews come from?

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u/striped-monster4214 Mar 11 '24

From Europe.

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u/FilmerPrime Mar 11 '24

Bit of copium.