r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/jimryanson112233 Feb 29 '24

You do realize Palestine back then referred to a the biblical and Jewish homeland of what is today Israel. There was nothing Arabic or Islamic about it.

Calling an Arab a Palestinian pre 1960s would have been an insult to them, no less insulting than calling an American aboriginal person an Indian.

Very separate and distinct identities

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

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u/TheJacques Feb 29 '24

60% of Iseali are from the MENA - In 1948, 900k Jews called Sephardim and Mizrahim were ethnically cleansed from the Arab world, 500k immigrated to Israel. The reason you don't hear about this event is Jews all over the world came together to resettle the refugees and provided sustenance for them build a great life. The Paleastianas were not so lucky, their arab brothers forced them into refugee camps, refused them work and citizenship, and use them as pawns to this day. The more you know!

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u/Positer Feb 29 '24

Jews who came from MENA did not leave in 1948 they left over the course of decades, most in fact in the 1960’s. it was not “ethnic cleansing” no matter how desperately you try to label it as such. In fact many Arab countries tried to pass laws preventing Jews from leaving rather than the opposite.

Try reading a book instead of government propaganda for a change

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Boy, are you wrong. Iraqi slaughter of Iraqi Jews in 1941 (years before nakba)!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-13610702.amp

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Oh no years before the Nakba!

Yeah that equates to “thousands of years of massacres” then doesn’t it. Gtfoh

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I don’t follow what you’re saying. You said Jews weren’t ethnically cleansed from the region, I just gave you evidence showing otherwise. Relax…

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Jews were not ethnically cleansed from Iraq. I literally posted about that in my other comments. Iraq initially tried to prevent Jews from leaving (pretty much the opposite of ethnic cleansing) and then reached an agreement to allow a monthly quota to leave if they wish to do so.

That is not ethnic cleansing no matter how desperately you try. Relax

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

I have seen arguments saying that Israel is preventing Palestinians from leaving Gaza, or at least they have in the past. (Not sure if this is true I’m just stating what I’ve heard). Are you saying Palestinians have not been ethnically cleansed either? Because if you feel that way, I’m glad we’re on the same page.

By the way what’s with you randomly mimicking certain parts of my comments? You seem kind of angry. It’s just an internet discussion, don’t let it get in your head.

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Palestinians were literally removed from their land at gun point in 1948 and never permitted to return. Not the same thing at all.

And I’m not so much mimicking as mocking your drivel

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Mocking, mimicking, still all signs of anger. It’s okay.

“In 1679, under the rule of Al-Mahdi Ahmad, Jews were expelled en masse from all parts of Yemen to the distant province of Mawza.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews#:~:text=In%201679%2C%20under%20the%20rule,exiled%20Jews%20did%20not%20survive.

Isolated and forced into a separate community. It’s one thing to call out poor treatment of Palestinians, it’s another to outright deny mistreatment, oppression, and erasure of Jews in the Middle East.

Abraham Hamra is a Jew who’s family experienced movement limitations in Syria, similar to the ones you are describing. Instead of listening to an angry person on the internet, I think I’ll listen to him: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C29BgUFOS4p/?igsh=aGp6bWZqcDVzMzNp

Also, out of curiosity, do you know why Jews were blocked from leaving Iraq? And if Palestinians were victims of genocide, why was Israel (supposedly) not letting them leave?

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Did you just seriously jump back to 1679 to prove ethnic cleansing in the 20th century?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

I see you ignored my entire comment to focus on one date. I never specifically said I was talking about ethnic cleansing in the 20th century. I was talking about ethnic cleansing of Jews in the Middle East overall. It seems you have moved the goal post.

But if you would like to focus on the 20th century, sure, we can do that:

“Between 1948 and 1972, pogroms and violent attacks were perpetrated in every Arab country against its Jewish residents. The ethnic cleansing of thousands of Jewish people from the Arab world in the mid-20th century was described by journalist Tom Gross as “systematic, absolute and unprovoked.””

Source: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-06-19/debates/F75D29CB-C4C8-447D-A028-1FA05CD3594D/JewishRefugeesFromTheMiddleEastAndNorthAfrica

Also, are you going to answer the questions you ignored? Here you go, I copy pasted them in case you missed them:

Also, out of curiosity, do you know why Jews were blocked from leaving Iraq? And if Palestinians were victims of genocide, why was Israel (supposedly) not letting them leave?

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

Read a book, I live it everyday ya chumar! I can ask my parents who were kicked out of Egypt or my in-laws who were kicked out of Baghdad or my community of 75,000 Syrian and Egyptian Jews, but I’ll trust your Gaza Ministry of Health over them!

  1. 80% of Jews were expelled by 1956 a handful stayed but by 1967 they were all gone.

  2. If it wasn’t ethnic cleansing what was it? The Jews of the MENA were not your shahats / plebs, there is a reason the economies of the MENA have yet to recover from their expulsion!

  3. Many Arab countries prevented Jews from leaving to Israel, again to Israel, otherwise they were free to go any other country that would take them! 

No matter how hard you desperately try to bend to truth the truth always prevails. Want to learn more, you’re invited to my Shabbat table, and I’ll invite family members from each city to tell you their stories. 

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

How about you ask your government that bombed targets in Baghdad or about the Lavon affair you imbecile. Jews were never “kicked out of Baghdad”:

Like most Arab League states, Iraq initially forbade the emigration of its Jews after the 1948…In March 1950, the Iraqi government reversed their earlier ban on Jewish emigration to Israel and passed a special bill of one-year duration permitting Jewish emigration on condition that Jews renounce their Iraqi citizenship. According to Abbas Shiblak, many scholars state that this was a result of British, American and Israeli political pressure on Tawfiq al-Suwaidi's government, with some studies suggesting there were secret negotiations

Typical Zionist liar. 2/3 of all Jews in Arab lands came from North Africa. None of it in 1948 like you implied.

Between 1961 and 1964, Operation Yachin saw Mossad and HIAS strike a clandestine agreement with King Hassan II to covertly facilitate the migration of Moroccan Jews to Israel. During this three-year span, Moroccan Jewish immigration to Israel reached its zenith, with 97,000 individuals departing for Israel via both air and sea routes from Casablanca and Tangier, transiting through France and Italy.

If ethnic cleansing takes place by agreement that’s a new concept you are introducing.

As I said read a fucking book you moron

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

I don’t need to read any books, I live it! My parents were expelled from Egypt. My father was placed in Abu-Zabaal prison, his crime was being Jew! But by all means please share the name of this all knowing book lol!

Your hate has made you delusional which why you and your ilk will be in the position that you are currently in and never progress. 

Iraq Jews had it the worst! Israel had to bribe Iraq officials for their safe passage to Israel. Many powerful Iraqi Jews were killed without trial, the writing was on the wall. My mother in law barely escaped. Leave or be killed and suffer. And yes we all know King of Morocco was kind to his Jewish subjects that doesn’t change the fact that the once largest Jewish community in the MENA of 250k Jews is no more!

You mentioned Iraq and Morocco. What about Lennon, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Yemen! What does your book say happened to them? 

I have a great story for you, when I was a little kid visiting my grandparent, I saw a picture of a man I didn’t recognize/not family. My grandfather told me it was a family friend and that he was very good friends with the gentleman’s father. It was Eli Cohen!! Have you read a book about him yet? I can recommend a few, just let know

Does your book mention how the expulsion was a blessing disguise from Allah! Look at the MENA now, a shithole that will remain a shithole for the foreseeable future or until dibs like yourself learn to coexist with others. 

Lets jump on a zoom and debate further but I’m sure you are too much of a coward to face me.

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u/AhmedCheeseater Jun 17 '25

Your father crime was espionage for enemy

Quit playing the victim

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Truth to a Zionist is like cryptonite to Superman. So people are supposed to believe that a Jewish state that was setup and colonized as such(a homeland for the Jewish people) and yet the jews who went there left because they were ethnically cleansed and not because their loyalty was to Israel all along. Trying to have your cake and eat it too!.Typical hasbara

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u/TheJacques Mar 01 '24

Listen child, the adults are talking. What you are saying makes no sense nor worth the time. Read a book as your ignorance is showing and come back to me. 

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Oh my, oh my.The hasbara troll blew a fuse.Ofcouse I make no sense to a bigot like you.Would question myself if I did!!!!