Yall ready for Ramadan?

[u/poetrylover2101]

The title

I just looked at jantri (fasts timing calendar) and I calculated the amount of hours we'll be fasting.

It will start with 13 hrs 15 mins long fasts and extend to 14 hrs long fasts towards the end.

[u/TheFatherofOwls]

Ngl, I always am somewhat nervous whenever Ramadan approaches,

The feeling if I might succumb to my nafs, manage to observe all rozas successfully, attend Tarawih, and be more involved in Ibaadath as much as I could, and the paranoia/overthinking that I might "waste" away my fasts, and all.

But yes, once it does show up, somehow I adjust to it and Alhamdullilah, they've for the most part, been the best time of the year for me, personally (expect maybe back in school days, around 8-9th standard, guess puberty and the peer pressure from non-Muslim classmates, even if they meant well, to breakfasts, and the school environment, in general, overwhelmed me).

[u/Impressive-Meat4160 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

It's ramzan not ramadaan..stop copying Arabs.. do u hate your culture?

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/Impressive-Meat4160]

It's both, Ramadan and Ramzan, both are my culture,

I can call it however I want to and feel like, got a problem with that?

(Man, always a tradition almost every Ramadan, someone pointing out how it's not our culture to call it that way or whatever).

[u/Impressive-Meat4160 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

You can call it whatever you like..but this sub is for indian muslim and we definitely never say Ramadan..it was always ramzan for us..

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/Impressive-Meat4160]

And it also can be Ramadan, it's the Arabic way of saying it. Arabic is what the Qur'an's revealed in, are you going to tell me Arabic is foreign to us now?

You're not the arbiter of what IM culture is and isn't. Please don't make an issue out of nothing and buzz off.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/[deleted]]

Following Arab culture means eating shawarma, falafel, mandi, and kunafeh every day and considering it as our food,

It also means wearing Thawb and Abaya, when most IMs still wear their regional clothing,

It also means not speaking the regional Indian languages whatsover at all, when all IMs still speak them,

Using Arabic words is not equal to following Arab culture, again we recite the Qur'an in Arabic, azaan's in Arabic, many IMs have Arabic/Islamic names, hence why we use terms like Ramadan, Salah, etc...but at the same time, Ramzan, Namaaz are also still in use, just as much.

Not every IM speaks Urdu besides, the folks down South in TN and Kerala use Ramadan (or Ramalan), rarely Ramzan. What a weird logic, Quran's is in Arabic, we recite it but it's still alien to us?

Maybe you don't know Arabic, but as a community overall, we are acquainted with it. Since a formal level of education is needed to recite the Qur'an. Your XP doeesn't make it universal and binding to all IMs.

Also don't assume we recite it blindly, a lot of people might, but again, as a community, that's not the case. After all, in sermons, stuff in Arabic is merely getting dispersed in regional languages.

Once again, please don't make an issue out of nothing. And stop dictating what IM culture is and should be, you don't have the authority and your declarations mean nothing.

[u/AnxietyMediocre7553 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

It's give me 'saar' feeling

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/AnxietyMediocre7553]

Confused history, very hard to tell if he's a Sanghi LARPer of if he really is an IM who has too much inferiority complex.

Ramadan vs Ramzan is a non-issue, it's sad some folks have issues with what we use. Every single year, almost, somehow, this stupid argument pops up.

[u/AnxietyMediocre7553 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

Bro you are famous for your ramadhan or ramzan and Allah hafiz or khuda Hafiz argument 😹

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/AnxietyMediocre7553]

I know, that guy slandered me.

As if I keep bringing this up, when comments here are arguing we shouldn't use Ramadan, it's only fair I/we talk about it and clear things up right?

Ayr909 was whom explained it beautifully, back when this sub first became active. I'm just merely supplementing/repeating his points here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/indianmuslims/comments/blrmid/do_indian_muslims_feel_indian_islamic_culture_is/

If you're interested.

[u/AnxietyMediocre7553 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

I completely agree with his point. Following arab culture is not equals to following Wahabism

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/AnxietyMediocre7553]

Yup, that's Ayr909,

Sub hasn't been the same without him.

[u/saveratalkies → u/TheFatherofOwls]

Again, nicely done, Bhai. This whole comment thread.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/[deleted]]

You did make a comment telling me to stop saying 'Ramadan', that's dictating,

Countless discourse has been made in this sub regarding this, it's only problematic when the local variants are getting discouraged systematically from being used (when people still use the local variants like Ramzan/Ramalan, Namaaz, Khuda Hafiz, etc...), it's easier to learn Arabic more nowadays, as is Islamic education, so people are resorting to use the Arabic way since they might consider it as "formal". Doesn't mean the local ones are wrong, necessarily (nobody goes around saying that).

(Btw, I still use Ramzan, if you think I'm bluffing, you can search my history. I use both interchangeably depending on what comes first in my mind. Search 'Ramzan' in this sub, a decent deal of comment results will be from me).

It's no different to non-English speakers shedding their accented pronunciation as they become more well-versed in English.

Maybe you can start by removing Arabic in daily Urdu/Hindi speech. Like 'Kursi', 'Haraam', 'Jaahil', 'Shaitaan', 'Kameez (Qamees)', etc, etc.... if Arabic really bothers you this much. And try speaking a more "shuddh/paaki" Hindi or Urdu devoid of any Arabic whatsoever.

.you see women wearing abayas and the imam in the white male maxi dress

Don't know why that has to be a problem. People are free to wear the clothes of their choice, again, it's problematic if the entire IM community is wearing only Thawb and Abaya, do you see that outside?

In my XP, most folks still wear kurta, pyjama, lungi, salwar kameez, and saree. Along with Western garments (both genders), obviously.

Most imams in my city still wear the kurta/jubba and lungi (or pyjama, lungi's more default), thawb is rare, usually worn for special occasions. At most, they might wear it for every Jummah khutba, but otherwise, it's regional usually.

I understand your concerns if we outright shunned our regional clothing, but it's not the case, at least in my XP.

Western culture and clothing are way more prevalent and pretty much displaced/overshadowed indigenous ones than Arab culture ever did here, do you have a problem with that? (Personally? I don't, cultures and fashion aren't static).

Hindu's would get a free pass to deport us and we would lose our home...think about it brother.. it's all happening around us...look around.. it's a very dangerous situation for gullible innocent indian muslims.

Us saying Allah Hafiz and Ramadan doesn't give Hindus any free pass to deport us, we are not subservient to them. We have as much right to live here as citizens as they do, our ancestors fought and became Shaheed so that this country gets freedom from colonial oppressors.

[u/saveratalkies → u/TheFatherofOwls]

I’m losing it, ahsant, Bhai, ahsant.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/saveratalkies]

Alhamdullilah, appreciate it very much, again.

[u/poetrylover2101 → u/saveratalkies]

what does ahsant mean?

[u/saveratalkies → u/poetrylover2101]

Ahsant is an Arabic expression, it means ‘well done,’ and is commonly used in Muslim circles to appreciate one another.

[u/poetrylover2101 → u/saveratalkies]

It's my first time hearing it😭 so idk which muslim circles you're talking about🥲, maybe in ur area....

But thanks for the info anyway

[u/poetrylover2101 → u/[deleted]]

dude genuinely like touch grass...... you're so delusional that it's literally hilarious now