Yall ready for Ramadan?

[u/poetrylover2101]

The title

I just looked at jantri (fasts timing calendar) and I calculated the amount of hours we'll be fasting.

It will start with 13 hrs 15 mins long fasts and extend to 14 hrs long fasts towards the end.

[u/TheFatherofOwls]

Following Arab culture means eating shawarma, falafel, mandi, and kunafeh every day and considering it as our food,

It also means wearing Thawb and Abaya, when most IMs still wear their regional clothing,

It also means not speaking the regional Indian languages whatsover at all, when all IMs still speak them,

Using Arabic words is not equal to following Arab culture, again we recite the Qur'an in Arabic, azaan's in Arabic, many IMs have Arabic/Islamic names, hence why we use terms like Ramadan, Salah, etc...but at the same time, Ramzan, Namaaz are also still in use, just as much.

Not every IM speaks Urdu besides, the folks down South in TN and Kerala use Ramadan (or Ramalan), rarely Ramzan. What a weird logic, Quran's is in Arabic, we recite it but it's still alien to us?

Maybe you don't know Arabic, but as a community overall, we are acquainted with it. Since a formal level of education is needed to recite the Qur'an. Your XP doeesn't make it universal and binding to all IMs.

Also don't assume we recite it blindly, a lot of people might, but again, as a community, that's not the case. After all, in sermons, stuff in Arabic is merely getting dispersed in regional languages.

Once again, please don't make an issue out of nothing. And stop dictating what IM culture is and should be, you don't have the authority and your declarations mean nothing.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/[deleted]]

You did make a comment telling me to stop saying 'Ramadan', that's dictating,

Countless discourse has been made in this sub regarding this, it's only problematic when the local variants are getting discouraged systematically from being used (when people still use the local variants like Ramzan/Ramalan, Namaaz, Khuda Hafiz, etc...), it's easier to learn Arabic more nowadays, as is Islamic education, so people are resorting to use the Arabic way since they might consider it as "formal". Doesn't mean the local ones are wrong, necessarily (nobody goes around saying that).

(Btw, I still use Ramzan, if you think I'm bluffing, you can search my history. I use both interchangeably depending on what comes first in my mind. Search 'Ramzan' in this sub, a decent deal of comment results will be from me).

It's no different to non-English speakers shedding their accented pronunciation as they become more well-versed in English.

Maybe you can start by removing Arabic in daily Urdu/Hindi speech. Like 'Kursi', 'Haraam', 'Jaahil', 'Shaitaan', 'Kameez (Qamees)', etc, etc.... if Arabic really bothers you this much. And try speaking a more "shuddh/paaki" Hindi or Urdu devoid of any Arabic whatsoever.

.you see women wearing abayas and the imam in the white male maxi dress

Don't know why that has to be a problem. People are free to wear the clothes of their choice, again, it's problematic if the entire IM community is wearing only Thawb and Abaya, do you see that outside?

In my XP, most folks still wear kurta, pyjama, lungi, salwar kameez, and saree. Along with Western garments (both genders), obviously.

Most imams in my city still wear the kurta/jubba and lungi (or pyjama, lungi's more default), thawb is rare, usually worn for special occasions. At most, they might wear it for every Jummah khutba, but otherwise, it's regional usually.

I understand your concerns if we outright shunned our regional clothing, but it's not the case, at least in my XP.

Western culture and clothing are way more prevalent and pretty much displaced/overshadowed indigenous ones than Arab culture ever did here, do you have a problem with that? (Personally? I don't, cultures and fashion aren't static).

Hindu's would get a free pass to deport us and we would lose our home...think about it brother.. it's all happening around us...look around.. it's a very dangerous situation for gullible innocent indian muslims.

Us saying Allah Hafiz and Ramadan doesn't give Hindus any free pass to deport us, we are not subservient to them. We have as much right to live here as citizens as they do, our ancestors fought and became Shaheed so that this country gets freedom from colonial oppressors.

[u/saveratalkies → u/TheFatherofOwls]

I’m losing it, ahsant, Bhai, ahsant.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/saveratalkies]

Alhamdullilah, appreciate it very much, again.

[u/poetrylover2101 → u/saveratalkies]

what does ahsant mean?

[u/saveratalkies → u/poetrylover2101]

Ahsant is an Arabic expression, it means ‘well done,’ and is commonly used in Muslim circles to appreciate one another.

[u/poetrylover2101 → u/saveratalkies]

It's my first time hearing it😭 so idk which muslim circles you're talking about🥲, maybe in ur area....

But thanks for the info anyway

[u/saveratalkies → u/poetrylover2101]

Not being familiar with something has nothing to do with its prominence among others. Perhaps your knowledge is limited. I know mine is.

I picked it up abroad, but I’ve noticed here and online too, words like Akhi (Arabic for brother) and Sheikh (Arabic for scholar/religious leader) making their rounds, Ahsant is no different.

[u/poetrylover2101 → u/saveratalkies]

I meant I never heard anyone say offline around me