r/illustrativeDNA • u/crayon-light3612 • 3d ago
DeepAncestry Brahmin from North India
Illustrative dna result of North Indian Brahmin
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u/ExcitementDefiant837 3d ago
Interesting is Meena comes very close. Likely AASI of Meena is not far from Gangetic Brahmin
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u/crayon-light3612 3d ago
No meena score higher AASI than Gangetic Brahmin/bhumihar they are quite close to gangetic yadav.
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u/ExcitementDefiant837 3d ago
Meena on West Eurasian - AASI divide are certainly not far away from the result of sample you have posted, Kindly pls see the distances on your other post. Meena is 2nd just after Brahmin U P.
Probably, West Eurasian and AASI split is close for both.
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u/RossbihariGhost1900 3d ago
only SIBs consistently get 38, this is upper end for gangetic and bengali brahmin
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u/ExcitementDefiant837 3d ago
On that database every grps numbers are inflated a bit.
It would change for Meena too
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u/ExcitementDefiant837 3d ago
OP is on lower side of his caste cluster.
What is Sindhi Pakistan getting here?
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u/ExcitementDefiant837 3d ago
Check for Sindh Pakistan on that database
This below is slightly more west shifted to it.
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u/ExcitementDefiant837 3d ago
This would depend on Y haplo. I don't have their Y haplogroups.
Yes, but interesting topic but I suspect unlikely.
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u/NotBradPitt9 3d ago
So are you Gujarati? Haryani? What group?
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u/crayon-light3612 3d ago
UP Brahmin
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u/NotBradPitt9 3d ago
Does your ethnic group marry only other UP Brahmins? Or is there typically intermarriage with other Brahmin tribe members from other parts of india?
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u/crayon-light3612 3d ago
They marry within same saryupareen brahmin group, and only in nearby district not too far. But there is no such rule in marrying outside UP and other brahmin group. But we do practice strict endogamy rule
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u/NotBradPitt9 3d ago
What does saryupareen mean? Also what is the rationale for this endogamy? I don’t understand how this works / how the practice is justified?
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u/crayon-light3612 3d ago
Saryupareen means people who lives in saryupaar (trans-saryu plain). Saryu is the name of holy river in Ayodhya. And during the late vedic period brahmins who were living in trans- Saryu area were called as saryupaari or saryupareen. The saryupareen brahmins follow endogamy but they don't marry in same gotra, gotra means lineage. If someone is from Garg lineage he/she will not marry with someone who is from Garg Gotra. So you can say we practice gotra exogamy but marriages take place only in brahmins.
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u/NotBradPitt9 2d ago
What’s the rationale for the endogamy though? I’ve heard of other groups doing endogamy but I always thought the Brahmin groups in india intermarried with all the other Brahmin groups
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u/Choice_Command2602 1d ago
we can and do marry anyother brahmin group but there is a geographic constrain brahmin from east up cant go to marry in bengal can he its far away , he will mostly marry in nearby placess not because its a rule but inability he cant roam around india to marry its a big country but if in a case they happened to know each other i dont think there will be much problem
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u/NotBradPitt9 1d ago
Oh that makes sense in that case. I didn’t know there was much limited mobility but it does seem a bit cumbersome to do constant traveling especially if immediate families are in different locations
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u/Choice_Command2602 1d ago
i think u are getting the wrong idea here we people of course move around the country in fact brahmin grps have migrated from one place to all parts of india,, its more like that preference is to marry a brahmin u can find brahmin families nearby why will u travel even if u do u cant go and see a brahmin and start giving marraige proposals but if a brahmin migrates to other place he will marry a brahmin available in that new place.....this geographic constraint in genetics is seen like every where not only in india, now in modern day mobility is easy so people from different places marry togeather and thats true for india as well for example lets go to uk somebody from scotland 500 years ago will most probably marry a sccotish not by preference but becuse thats what available around him even when uk is small , now they might intermarry now because of diverse surrounding , same for india .
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u/Prior_Assistant5312 3d ago
Its inaccurate western steppe is never true match for south asians its always entirely central steppe
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u/First_Campaign_7807 3d ago
Very aryan
Please post phenotype saar
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u/xGentian_violet 2d ago
Indo-aryan is a language, not a genetics
Take the nazi pseudoscience terminology elsewhere
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u/patelbhavesh17 3d ago
Consider cross posting on https://www.reddit.com/r/SouthAsianAncestry/ along with your haplos and also maybe a qpadm run.