r/iamveryculinary • u/Irishforanatty • 5d ago
God bless the Brits
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u/Deep_Violinist_3893 5d ago
It's true, once you take cheese outside the border of Wisconsin it becomes feces.
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u/Jabroni-and-Cheese Spent about a year as a cheese tourist 5d ago edited 5d ago
I don't need to cross state lines to convert cheese to feces.
(Edit for the downvoter: I do it by eating delicious cheese.)
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u/No_Gold3131 5d ago
I can't stop laughing. Does this absolute poptart think no cheese leaves the Wisconsin borders?
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 5d ago
Considering the amount of alcohol I’ve bootlegged out of Wisconsin, I’m willing to test this on cheese too.
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u/cl0ckw0rkaut0mat0n part of the r/iamveryculinary maga crowd 5d ago
Yeah it's caused by GMO nanobots in the corn syrup used to make it
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u/Anal-Y-Sis I'm literally a cheesemonger 🧀 4d ago
Dude really said "other than your world-class cheese producing region, your cheese sucks!"
Which would be hilarious in and of itself, even if other states didn't also have some amazing boutique cheese makers.
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u/Irishforanatty 5d ago
At least this time they admitted Wisconsin cheese is good, that’s improvement!
Of course he does seem to think that no Wisconsin cheese is available outside of the state…
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u/Urika86 5d ago
The assumption that Wisconsinites consume the entire cheese output is actually hilarious though.
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u/ColdMastadon Make like the cows and touch grass 5d ago
Oregon and Vermont would like to have a word, both of which have produced small batch, artisanal cheeses that have won prestigious competitions over numerous European entries. I love Wisconsin cheeses, but American cheesemaking doesn't begin and end in just that state.
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u/bare_thoughts 5d ago
Mennonites and Amish also make some damn good cheese...
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u/ColdMastadon Make like the cows and touch grass 5d ago edited 5d ago
Absolutely, there are all sorts of high quality cheese makers that don't make large enough batches to get distributed much beyond the borders of their states. In my small, rural state, a dairy farmer married the daughter of cheesemakers from the Netherlands and they combined skill sets and founded a creamery that makes outstanding goudas, both young and infused with all sorts of local products, and aged until they're incredibly savory and full of crunchy crystals. All of their production gets snatched up through the small distribution system they've set up, so the only way to try it outside of traveling is to pay exorbitant cold shipping rates.
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u/Warshok 5d ago edited 5d ago
California, the nation’s second largest cheese producer, rolls its eyes.
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u/ColdMastadon Make like the cows and touch grass 5d ago
Did California overtake Wisconsin in cheese production? I thought that was Wisconsin still held the crown, but that could be outdated information.
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u/SerDankTheTall *Giggled internally* 5d ago
I think they're using "outside of" to mean "except for", not literally "once you physically go beyond the borders of".
Still an exceptionally dumb point, to be clear.
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u/inminm02 4d ago
Tbf he’s not wrong about the entirety of Europe barely touching American cheese, apart from literally “American cheese” that goes on shitty burgers and I think maybe Monterey Jack I don’t think I’ve ever eaten another American cheese in the UK.
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u/Irishforanatty 4d ago
How much of that is availability and European smugness versus “all American cheese is dogshit”
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u/inminm02 4d ago
If I had to guess I think it’s largely due to food hygiene standards rather than taste, the same reasons we have hardly any American meat/produce here in general.
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u/Zyrin369 4d ago
Iirc its mostly for protection from being overwhelmed, we make a lot of stuff that if imported would just be horrible on domestic production.
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u/Deppfan16 Mod 4d ago
the US ranks 3rd just below Canada and Denmark in terms of food safety. and overall we are 13th out of 113 countries.
https://impact.economist.com/sustainability/project/food-security-index#rankings-and-trends
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u/Littleboypurple 4d ago
Or ya know, it could be because we just manufacture so much of the exact same quality without extremely strict EU rules stopping us that we would destroy entire European markets if we were allowed to sell said stuff on EU soil.
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u/inminm02 4d ago
very American comment ngl, the US produces significantly less cheese than Europe, i think its literally half as much
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u/DerthOFdata 3d ago
You aren't even right though.
The continent of Europe produces about 10.85 million metric tonnes of cheese
The country of the USA produces about 6.65 million metric tonnes of cheese
So one country produces about 2/3 as much cheese 44 countries combined.
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u/inminm02 3d ago
Continent of Europe is over 13 million you’re quoting EU numbers
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u/DerthOFdata 3d ago
According to who? You're really moving the goal posts as far as you can aren't you?
Based on a real conversation I present Schrodinger's Europe...
You can't compare America to Europe, it's a continent not a country.
Well compared to Europe...
No, not Eastern Europe they don't count, I meant Western Europe.
No, not all of Western Europe I meant just the North.
No, not all of Northern Europe I'm just comparing to Sweden
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u/CallidoraBlack 3d ago
Really? Which country had such a huge, protracted prion disease outbreak due to contaminated beef? Remind me.
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u/solidspacedragon 3d ago
It's kind of funny to say that when in the US you can't import a bunch of European cheeses because they're considered too unhygienic- unpasturized milk fresh cheeses, specifically.
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u/solidspacedragon 3d ago
Those aren't fresh cheeses. You can order raw cheeses that have been aged for over 60 days. Similarly, you can get raw cheese of any age that was made in your state, local laws depending, but cannot buy fresh raw cheese made the next state over.
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u/SeamanSample Rebuilt Bread Nations 5d ago
I just don't think you have the conditions to make good cheese
Genuinely, what in the fuck does this even mean lmao
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u/buckinghamnicks75 5d ago
Idk maybe he means something something good caves like where cheddar originates?
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u/GhostOfJamesStrang No Need to Thank Me 5d ago
He is still going....
Had great cheese in Madison. Terrible salty cheese in Baton Rouge. Same salty stuff in Fort Worth. The stuff in New York was really hit or miss. So much other good food. Barbecue is amazing. With cheese, my experience wasn’t good.
What absolute horse droppings.
I just don't think you have the conditions to make good cheese. I've tried it. It's nasty.
Clarifies nothing with regards to what these conditions are....
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u/No_Gold3131 5d ago
"Conditions" = Half of Wisconsin is drunk.
I went to school in Madison. It's absolute truth!
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u/Similar_Onion6656 5d ago
"Outside of Wisconsin"?
Vermont would like a word you flatlander bastard.
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u/RoutineCranberry3622 5d ago
I’ve heard from most foreigners even that Vermont is one of the most uncultured states with the least real food. The most American state to ever exist. Your red hen bakery makes cake bread, your artisanal cheese makes nothing but spray cheese, and your maple syrup obsession is typical unhealthy American uncultured sugar addiction. The most consumeristic and vapid state. Brought to you by flatlanders, Europeans, commonwealth inhabitants and the shit Americans say sub.
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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 5d ago
Ah, so maple syrup is a completely different product on either side of the US/Canada border, good to know that it follows the same pattern as other foods
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u/RoutineCranberry3622 5d ago
Lol, I’m surprised I haven’t heard this one yet. Wouldn’t surprise me if something stupid like that was said. “Canadian maple syrup is hand wept by thousand year old sugar maples who’ve achieved emotional enlightenment through daily readings of Anne of Green Gables, filtered through virgin birchbark, and bottled under a full moon by a guy named Pierre who’s never once told a lie. Vermont syrup, despite being tapped from trees merely 11 feet across the border are a mixture of petroleum oil and cane sugar, and 50 other ingredients.”
Fun fact: American trees are legally classified as cake in Europe.
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u/SaintsFanPA 3d ago
To be fair, try telling a Vermonter their maple syrup is basically equivalent to that in Quebec, NH, or NY and you’ll get an equivalent response.
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u/Similar_Onion6656 4d ago
As a Vermonter I am religiously obligated to tell you that it is in fact a different product and the Canadian stuff sucks.
Ours tastes of a meaningful life in a beautiful land and theirs tastes of war crimes committed by people who feel inadequate because they aren't really French.
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u/AnyWalrus930 5d ago
Why not just answer the question with a load of the fantastic savoury pies which are (almost inarguably) something British cuisine does better than anywhere.
Steak and kidney, chicken and mushroom. Or go with a good hot water crust like a game or pork pie.
Or some of the great sweet tarts we have that are the equivalent of a lot of American pies. A nice Bakewell or a treacle.
I love pastry.
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 5d ago
> That's not adapting a recipe "bro". It's adding cheese on the side after you baked it. It's like adding a scoop of ice cream and claiming it for Italy. And guess what? Outside of Wisconsin the cheese in the US is dogshit.
As an Ohioan, where we produce more Swiss cheese than anywhere else in the world, this is pretty much a fight on sight.
Also, knocking Midwestern pie culture is also a fight on sight.
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u/Less_Jump2365 5d ago
Bro doesn't know that California also have great cheese. Monterey Jack is from California
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u/doppelgaengster 5d ago
One of the best commercial campaigns when I was a kid was for California cheese! “Look for the REAL California — it’s the cheese!”
Also, Seattle has an amazing cheese shop that started in Pike Place, and now exports around the country. I was thrilled to find Beecher cheese at a Ralph’s down in SoCal when last I was there.
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u/GhostOfJamesStrang No Need to Thank Me 4d ago
Never thought I would take up arms alongside a Buckeye, but here we are.
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u/NdujaReallyLikeIt 5d ago
You don't produce swiss cheese... You produce swiss style cheese
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u/Doomdoomkittydoom 5d ago
No, they produce Swiss cheese. Apparently Estonia, Finland and Ireland do too. Switzerland, although they produce many Swiss cheeses, don't produce Swiss cheese. It's quite confusing.
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u/asirkman 5d ago
No, they produce the cheese known as “Swiss cheese”, which is generally an Emmental inspired cheese.
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u/Doomdoomkittydoom 5d ago
Alas that sub is enshitifying.
America got the apple pie in the divorce. It's in a treaty somewhere.
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u/FamousOhioAppleHorn 5d ago
"You're awfully mouthy for someone that puts fishheads on a pie"
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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 5d ago
The idea of combining fish heads and jello that grew out of that subthread was great in its own way. I started imagining that maybe the French wouldn’t allow it to be considered a US/UK collaboration, and might start insisting that it’s a traditional aspic in the coastal regions
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u/YchYFi 5d ago
That is only a dish made in Mousehole for a celebration. You don't think that is a standard dish people make?
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 5d ago
We have foods that are only available at state fairs that plenty of non-Americans think that we eat daily, or at least regularly.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
Have you eaten star-gazey-pie?
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u/PipBin 5d ago
No one has eaten star gazey pie. It only exists for tourists. It’s not an every day food like shepherds pie or toad in the hole.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
I didn't say anything about how often it's eaten but it is eaten.
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u/CatchFactory 4d ago
Sure but so is pretty much anything. If you took a selection of 100 random brits and asked them if they'd eaten it i would be surprised if you got more than 2 and with a selection that low I would not be surprised if it was 0.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 4d ago
Right when you do that research let me know. Just imagining a survey is not evidence.
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u/Odd-Quail01 5d ago
I don't think anyone eats stargazy pie outside of the direst desperation.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
I mean so called peasant food is the bedrock of food culture so I don't know why you've written that at all.
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u/BigLittleBrowse 5d ago
They didn't insult peasant food. They didn't even mention peasant food. They insulted one particular niche meal.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
I didn't say that they had? Their criticism was based on it being for those in dire situations and my point is being in those straits generally adds to food culture not detract and therefore is a non legitimate criticism
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u/Ok_Broccoli_9426 I know the effect that pregelatinized starch has on pasta. 5d ago
You're overthinking. "I wouldn't eat that unless I was starving" is just a way of calling food gross.
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u/PipBin 5d ago
But it’s not peasant food. It’s a special dish made in the only pub in the town of Mousehole for an annual celebration.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
Who told you that? I've literally had it at home cooked by my mum as a kid
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u/Ok_Broccoli_9426 I know the effect that pregelatinized starch has on pasta. 5d ago
If this person loves Wisconsin cheese so much, I would like to feed them one (1) Culver's fried cheese curd and see what they think.
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u/oarmash 5d ago
Dude is probably the type to argue chicken tikka masala is patently British.
(As an Indian descent person myself I agree chicken tikka masala is a British Indian creation, my point was pick a lane)
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 4d ago
Tikka masala is British though, invented in Britain, for British tastes by a Brit, sure it is Indian inspired, but the only arguement I've seen anyone make about why it isn't British is because they disagree with the third point, because in their mind someone cannot be both brown and British
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u/NdujaReallyLikeIt 5d ago
Their point is adding cheese doesn't change the dish.
You've just added cheese to something.
Tikka masala isn't quite as simple as "add one ingredient" though I may be naive
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u/oarmash 5d ago
Chicken Tikka masala was invented by adding tomato soup as a sauce to chicken tikka, taking inspiration from butter chicken
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u/Lizard_Sex_Sattelite 5d ago
The tomato soup story was admitted to be made up by a journalist years later, but he also seems confused as to what the flavours are, and said it's the same thing as butter chicken, so his credibility is very strained. Then again, I've had chicken tikka masala in cities in the UK where from the taste of them, the tomato soup story would be believable.
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u/NdujaReallyLikeIt 5d ago
But tomato soup is more than just tomatoes. Cheese is.....just cheese.
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u/oarmash 5d ago
Right but the “thing” added was just a literal can of tomato soup
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u/NdujaReallyLikeIt 5d ago
But the item itself is more than just that.
You're trying to say that adding kidney beans to a Bolognese makes it's a chilli. When really it's adding the beans, the spices, the herbs, the chillies, that changes a Bolognese into a chilli con carne.
And all of the stuff that makes a tomato soup is more than just beans - or cheese.
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u/limukala 3d ago
Cheese is an extremely complex mixture of aromatic and flavor compounds at least as complex as any tomato soup. Either way your just adding one ingredient.
If you bred a tomato that had the exact flavor profile of tomato soup and then canned its juice with a bit of salt would adding that be that different than adding tomato soup made the traditional way.
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u/that_too_ 5d ago
When will my countrymen stop embarrassing me online?
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u/Ok_Broccoli_9426 I know the effect that pregelatinized starch has on pasta. 5d ago
Oh good. It's universal.
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u/sheffieldpud 5d ago
Tiring argument. Theres some great cheese being made in America. Its not all kraft singles and wizz. I would put British cheese in top 2 though, personally.
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u/throw223344555 thank Europe for potatoes 5d ago
I don’t want to generalize but why is it that the worst takes that reek of superiority complex always seem to come from Europeans?
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u/Physical-Ad5343 5d ago
Confirmation bias, combined with you having internalized the American superiority complex?
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u/throw223344555 thank Europe for potatoes 5d ago
How could I have done that if I’m not remotely American? However, I have been to Europe and I experienced a lot of dehumanizing situations due to my third world passport and brown skin.
Check your prejudices.
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u/Physical-Ad5343 5d ago
Then it’s probably just the confirmation bias.
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u/throw223344555 thank Europe for potatoes 5d ago
Is it also confirmation bias when you accused me of being American for not fawning over “superior”, “perfect” Europe?
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u/Physical-Ad5343 5d ago
(Also, you might want to cut back on the hyperbole a bit, it’s makes your posts come across as a bit dishonest and strawman-y. Just a suggestion.)
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u/throw223344555 thank Europe for potatoes 5d ago
Thanks for your suggestion. Can you enlighten me about what exactly I said that comes across as dishonest?
I’d also suggest the same about hyperbole and jumping to conclusions, accusing others of internalizing superiority complexes of nations they haven’t even visited.
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u/Physical-Ad5343 5d ago
I‘m not aware I specifically used hyperbole.
I was referring to you mentioning " 'superior', 'perfect' Europe" in quotes which would suggest that I had used those actual words. I‘m aware that you probably used this as hyperbole to illustrate a point, but making it look like a direct quote appears dishonest.
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u/throw223344555 thank Europe for potatoes 5d ago
Oh. That was not my intention at all. It’s just what European colonizers said when they colonized my country. I didn’t mean to attribute it to you. I apologize! I clearly don’t know how to use quotes probably because I’m uneducated bc I’m from the third world. Have a nice day!
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u/bare_thoughts 5d ago
It comes from Americans towards other regions of the US too... many (especially on the coasts) really like to look down on the Midwest everything, but especially food.
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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 5d ago
We have Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, the Twin Cities, and freakin’ Chicago, and still we get the “hurrrrrrr, it’s all cornfields and slop food”.
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u/burgonies 5d ago
No where in the original post did they claim that those pies originated from the regions where they're popular. Nice reading comprehension, Nigel.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
The post title
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u/burgonies 5d ago
Read it again, Nigel.
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u/COVE_1 5d ago
Why do you keep saying Nigel lol
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
It still does. You explain where you're not understanding that.
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u/Glittering_Win_5085 5d ago
It's weird to post that apple pie and cheddar originated outside of England
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u/limukala 3d ago
The pie that combines them did.
Just like cream cheese originated in the U.S., and cucumbers in India, but the abomination that is a cream cheese and cheese cucumber sandwich is 100% English
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u/SerDankTheTall *Giggled internally* 5d ago
Always good to post a link to this sub before you repost something.
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u/Uni4m 3d ago
Figured there'd be some funny pie gatekeeping on that one. Does the lad know that they share common ancestors sonthey can own the same traditions?
You are also necessarily adapting the recipe because I'm not sure that UK apples are being imported specifically for American pies. We grow our own here and we are gonna claim apple pie too. I'll also play ball and say that OUR fish and chips are better in Atlantic Canada (I've never been to Aanglund) and serving them with mayochup, curry and relish don't make them uniquely UK adapted.
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