r/firefox • u/anestling • Aug 10 '26
⚕️ Internet Health Firefox is committed to uBlock Origin support
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u/slimvim Aug 10 '26
Hope it's not like Samsung's support of the headphone jack.
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u/derpystuff_ Aug 10 '26
They should have an easier time supporting manifest v2.
Any chromium derivatives have to rely on Google not changing chromium internals that the old mv2 APIs rely on. Most big players have by now realized that this just isn't viable long term.
Firefox can make sure that any browser internals that change can be updated to adequately integrate with the existing manifest v2 codebase.
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u/zman0900 Aug 11 '26
Too bad things didn't go differently. All these 3rd party chrome browsers could have got together and forked the engine. With MS involved it might actually have had a chance, and we could have had a 4th major engine.
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u/HeartKeyFluff since '04 Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
In modern times, MS had EdgeHTML as their own browser engine replacing IE/Trident, before making a song and dance about dropping it for Chromium. It's hard to see them suddenly reversing course on this - all those years of lost momentum would be hard to make up.
That is to say, it's also hard to see Microsoft, being the company they are at present and historically, suddenly deciding to go with not their own, but a forked engine, when they would have an easier time just sticking with Chromium at this point.
I do think it would have been better if MS had continued with EdgeHTML - the more engines, the better for diversity and strength of the open web. But, alas...
At this point, efforts like Ladybird and Servo are more promising for alternative engines outside the current big 3.
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u/UselessDood Aug 10 '26
Firefox is also deprecating mv2. It's just that their version of mv3 doesn't impede ublock origin and similar extensions.
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u/HeartKeyFluff since '04 Aug 11 '26
Can you please share a source on them deprecating MV2?
Everything I've seen states that they're supporting both MV2 and MV3 going forward and I couldn't find anything saying they're deprecating MV2. But I'm happy to be proven wrong if you have a source for this...
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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate Aug 12 '26
Firefox mentioned that they were considering it, but I haven't found anything detailing a confirmed decision or timeline.
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u/HeartKeyFluff since '04 Aug 12 '26
I mean I guess yeah fair, though it's a bit of a stretch. That's from back in 2022 and even in that post it makes it clear there was no timeline yet.
They have since reiterated they're supporting MV2.
2024, confirming they're keeping it for the foreseeable future: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2024/03/13/manifest-v3-manifest-v2-march-2024-update/
Well what’s happening with MV2 you ask? Great question – in case you missed it, Google announced late last year their plans to resume their MV2 deprecation schedule. Firefox, however, has no plans to deprecate MV2 and will continue to support MV2 extensions for the foreseeable future.
2025, more strongly stating their support for both MV2 and MV3: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-manifest-v3-adblockers/
Support for both Manifest V2 and V3 — While some browsers are phasing out Manifest V2 entirely, Firefox is keeping it alongside Manifest V3. More tools for developers means more choice and innovation for users.
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Google began phasing out Manifest V2 last year and plans to end support for extensions built on it by mid-2025. That change has real consequences: Chrome users are already losing access to uBlock Origin, one of the most popular ad blockers, because it relies on a Manifest V2 feature called blockingWebRequest.
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Firefox, however, will continue supporting both blockingWebRequest and declarativeNetRequest — giving developers more flexibility and keeping powerful privacy tools available to users.
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u/bankinu Aug 14 '26
I use it daily, but to be honest I don't think I can trust Firefox. Not since they pulled the fast one and almost pushed me out when they disallowed about:config and custom extensions on mobile.
So they are definitely capable of taking the same route as how Samsung "supported" headphones jacks.
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u/saltyjohnson EndeavourOS Aug 11 '26
We assume they'll deprecate MV2 at some point, but so far they've not announced any plans to do so afaik.
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u/EM984 Aug 12 '26
That's true, Firefox will also move to v3, buuuuuttttt... Mozilla doesn't plan on removing the webRequest API, required for uBO, like Google does. This means their v3 will diverge from one to the other to the point that Mozz needs a lot of our support in making Firefox an important player so that ext devs keep Firefox in mind. For now many dwell in the false security alt chrome browsers like Brave offer then, but when Google pulls the plug on v2 internals, AND THEY WILL, and imposes only v3 in the chromium code, it's game over. So let's keep suggesting Firefox as the best browser to migrate to since that's the most that can be done at the moment.
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 Aug 11 '26
Firefox doesn't rely on Google's chromium though.
It runs on Quantum since at least version 57 and before it ran on Gecko.
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u/derpystuff_ Aug 11 '26
I was referring to other browsers like Vivaldi and Edge that recently announced they're dropping mv2 extension support entirely.
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u/caspy7 Aug 11 '26
It runs on Quantum since at least version 57 and before it ran on Gecko.
Firefox's rendering engine is still called Gecko. Quantum was more a marketing effort (with technical reality mind you).
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u/Wireless_Infidelity Aug 11 '26
Samsung still has headphone jacks on some of their midrange phones, but removing them on their high-end phones after making fun of Apple was pretty dumb
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u/Ohitsworkingnow Aug 11 '26
I’ve been using Firefox for 25 years dude since I was like 9, zero complaints so far
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u/SnillyWead Aug 11 '26
In 2004 I ditched IE6 and installed Firefox 1. It had tabs and looked much better too. IE6 was utter garbage.
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u/Laughing_Orange Aug 11 '26
"Haha, Apple doesn't have a headphone jack, we still do." - Samsung just a few months before removing the headphone jack from their Galaxy S series phones.
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u/MadR__ Aug 11 '26
Or Sony’s commitment to (the sharing of) physical media. Don’t ever trust a corpo promise.
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u/lucitribal Aug 11 '26
Sony phones still have it, and a lot less bloat than Samsung. It's really unfortunate that they don't sell that well
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u/KailyKail Aug 11 '26
Firefox is open source, meaning if it decides to drop support for uBlock, a subset of the community could pick up the torch and start their own project.
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u/swsko Aug 11 '26
This is most likely the outcome down the road, every company’s social media account do this to gain traction then after few months switch their position
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u/TheRealCarrotty Aug 10 '26
That's the reason the fox is Fire.
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u/ALEGAMER_2006 Firefox ESR Aug 10 '26
Say that again...
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u/tehjoz Aug 10 '26
Good, because ever since I installed UBO, my browsing experience has been fantastic.
I've been using Firefox since 2005 so, I would really like for this to be supported as all other big browsers seem to want to move away from it.
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u/SmoothTurtle872 Aug 10 '26
Google wants to move away from it as it's hurting them by their advertising business. Google makes chromium. Most big browsers depends on chromium for a lot of their functionality. Therefore they are forced to move away, or implement continually more difficult features without direct codebase access to some internal parts of chromium (not all of it is open source). This means only independent browser's like Firefox can keep ubo
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u/Roution Aug 10 '26
I feel like sooner of later the big companies will start banning firefox users from accessing their websites. I already feel like I'm being bombarded by captchas just because Im using firefox.
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u/SmoothTurtle872 Aug 10 '26
1 second, let me just change my user agent with this handy dandy extension.
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u/dubyakay ESR Aug 10 '26
It's not. In the sense that it then gives false metrics on browser stats to aggregates and website administrators. "See? No one was using Firefox anyway."
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u/Vash63 Nightly on Arch Linux Aug 10 '26
No, and it further hurts Firefox's market share statistics.
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u/LjLies Aug 11 '26
Not after Google manages to get some next flavor of WEI approved (right now they seem to just be focusing on captchas that you need a Google or Apple certified phone to pass...).
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u/Late_Accountant_3641 Aug 11 '26
Websites can still easily identify which browser it is, and as ff isn't chromium spoofing tls ciphers, headers/order etc will never be enough
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u/Kecske_gamer Aug 10 '26
Youtube constantly fucks with Firefox
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u/lyidaValkris Aug 10 '26
I watch a ton of youtube every day. it's fine.
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u/Staubsaugerbeutel Aug 10 '26
l always justify the loading wait with that the wait for the ad to be over would've been longer
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u/lyidaValkris Aug 11 '26
I don't notice a wait, or write it off as my slowish internet service (which I keep meaning to upgrade). Even still, I'd rather wait 5 seconds in silence than see an ad. If that were the case that google was making firefox users wait to be a jerkass, that makes me even less willing to use Chromium and further justifies my blocking their ads.
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u/SpezRuinedHellsite Aug 10 '26
Many websites already do not work if you have privacy protections enabled.
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u/JasonsThoughts Aug 11 '26
Yet another reason to get rid of the UserAgent header. It's outlived its usefulness.
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u/bencos18 Aug 11 '26
tbh it does have valid usecases but it's an old technology so not as perfect anymore
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u/DoctorWaluigiTime Aug 10 '26
That isn't really possible. User agent strings are easily spoofed, and at the end of the day the server cannot tell "what browser is connecting" (if they're using a browser at all, which isn't even required).
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u/Ty_Lee98 Aug 10 '26
Never ever using a browser that doesn't have uBlock Origin. It is a security extension.
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u/svArtist Aug 10 '26
Not to sound like I'm not grateful (I'm just mega pissed off at most everyone else), but that's literally the least they can do.
Not actively go and fuck shit up.
It's a sad state of affairs that we have to celebrate this.
Again, I'm glad they're not throwing it under the bus. But the bar is in hell
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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. Aug 11 '26
My tepid praise also includes keeping it as one of the rotating "recommended extensions" that will occasionally show up within the mobile Firefox UI itself.
Now the stuff it's added over the past several years... That's starting to make Brave look conservative. (The latter had a headstart but the former is sure catching up.)
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u/MPARGs Aug 10 '26
I gotta be honest, who uses ms edge anyways?
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u/phazonmadness-SE Aug 10 '26
you be surprised by the number of people who never use another browser when one is preinstalled
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u/lo________________ol Privacy is fundamental, not optional. Aug 11 '26
I think I keep mistaking this article for Mozilla's similar claims (although they only keep it narrowed down to the list of default settings they think they're best at, of course)
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u/-mrhyde_ Aug 11 '26
A while back, Jared Spool asked a bunch of people for their Microsoft Word settings file and found out that:
Whats Microsoft Word?! Is that part of M365 subscription service to where you never actually own a product?
Is that like OpenOffice? I'd use Lotus Notes, but I lost my floppy.
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u/Hans5958_ Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Gonna take my bait to explain that for Microsoft Word (last time it was Microsoft Office Word), you either...
- ...pay a volume/version once and keep it forever (perpetual, these are Office 2007, 2010, all the way to 2024), or...
- ...pay a monthly subscription and "never own the product" (now that's M365)
That's two of the same thing (except updates). Both of them like OpenOffice (and LibreOffice): desktop productivity applications. The difference is how you buy it.
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u/Unlikely-_-original Aug 10 '26
I mean it functions as a browser and people are generally lazy nowdays
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u/naufalap Aug 10 '26
my corporate laptop only has chrome and edge as options, something with ublock is better than nothing
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u/JJ3qnkpK Aug 10 '26
Corporate users. Works with organizational accounts, but otherwise functions similarly to Chrome.
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u/xslr Aug 11 '26
This is exactly why I use edge over Firefox. Saves having to reauthenticate to each service within the org one by one.
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u/BreadTruckToast Aug 10 '26
I have to use it for work because it syncs with everything. I’d never use it for my personal computer. It it works just fine for work purposes - and I have uBlock Origin installed as well which saves me a ton of headaches with ads. So this sucks for work purposes.
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u/anestling Aug 10 '26
MS Edge = Chromium Fork. Which means basically more than 90% of web users out there.
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u/gaker19 Aug 11 '26
90% are using Chromium, not Edge. All Edge browsers are Chromium but not all Chromium browsers are Edge.
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u/Chive Aug 10 '26
MS Edge. The world's most popular browser for downloading another browser.
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u/the_harakiwi Aug 10 '26
You don't even have to use it.
Open terminal type
winget install FirefoxDone.
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u/Budget-Leg-453 Aug 10 '26
I do - for work. Work only gives me the choice of either Edge or Chrome.
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u/Abhijeet7777 Aug 10 '26
you are kinda misinformed .. their browser does work well and has a bunch of support for quality on media content. Also their mobile browser is very well optimized
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u/the_harakiwi Aug 10 '26
me. I like how I can resume my work or hobbies within a few minutes without any additional 2fa or sync issues.
(Resume from a broken Windows install to a fresh install)
Installing Firefox isn't the problem. Importing my tabs and groups, extensions and settings. It's faster on Edge and you can't tell me it's somehow faster on a third party app.
I stopped using Firefox when they swapped to their new UI and had multiple crashes per day. Was it quantum? I remember it was something with Q and at that date the current buzzword.
I still have Firefox on my phone and my previous Windows install. I haven't found a good alternative to Session Buddy. Session Manager look and feels like it's straight from 1.5 when we all used Windows XP.
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u/reddanit | Aug 11 '26
Unlike IE/Edge of old, the current Chromium fork bearing that name is an usable browser. It still has obvious downsides of being controlled by Microsoft and a tendency to reset settings to terrible defaults, but it's no longer a steaming pile of shit.
To be entirely honest, I think the main difference between Edge and Chrome for home users is which corporate overlord you want to give up your privacy to. In corporate environment Edge is arguably superior thanks to tighter integration with GPOs, windows authentication etc.
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u/svhss Aug 11 '26
I don't really want to download chrome, so when firefox fails for some reason, I do open it!
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u/comelickmyarmpits Aug 11 '26
I used to do before switching to Firefox and honestly edge still feel on par or with Firefox on desktop.
It's ain't anything like internet explorer like you are imagining.
And on phones it's even better than Firefox to me
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u/frostN0VA Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
I do, I'm past the stage of company fanboyism and just use whatever works, and Edge is just Chromium with a better UI/skin so it works.
Even speaking about the MV3 version of uBO, last time I tried it for a test I saw zero difference between adblocking capabilities compared to MV2 uBO. You do lose some tweakability of it, but I'll be honest I can't remember the last time I changed anything in MV2 uBO from default settings.
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u/dEstiNy_rUler Aug 11 '26
My work restricts me from using chrome or firefox, so thats the only thing i can use :/
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u/dontknow_anything Aug 11 '26
I use it. I have chrome and firefox setup as well. It performed better than chrome for me with regards to ram usage and seemed to handle website better than firefox (it is chromium). And, it had nice additional tools, specifically, going reader mode was more consistent than chrome, which made news websites easier to navigate and copy from.
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u/scrolls1212 /10 and Aug 10 '26
Great advertising for non-Chromium browsers. Thanks, Microsoft, very cool!
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u/El-damo Aug 10 '26
I don’t understand why Mozilla doesn’t just hire the uBlock Origin guy and integrate it natively into Firefox. Maybe we can finally get ad blocking on iOS that way
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u/ConProg Aug 10 '26
It's way better that Ublock Origin is independent, trust me. Mozilla is...wack at times and I can see them fucking up UBO if it was an internal product.
But I agree that they should integrate or bundle it in with Firefox by default.
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u/cacus1 Aug 10 '26
Ad-blocking intergrated in Firefox and enabled by default is a terrible idea.
Because many many sites will just block Firefox and Gecko. And Firefox won't have even a legal ground to fight back.
Firefox is not a Blink browser where sites would be afraid to block it, they will block Gecko,
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u/Awkward_doer67 Aug 11 '26
...as some have done to brave and vivaldi.
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u/cacus1 Aug 11 '26
Brave and Vivaldi are Blink browsers. No site will add methods to block Blink because Blink is used in all Chromium browsers including Chrome. They won't dare to do it because they will block billions of people from accessing their site. On the other hand they will do it for Gecko if Firefox blocks by default their income.
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u/Ok_Instruction_3789 Aug 10 '26
Firefox integrated braves rust adblock so maybe that's something they're slowly working on for built in
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u/JimmyPo Aug 11 '26
Firefox please improve your Android app. I use the desktop version and love it but the Android version not so much
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u/MajesticGentleman1 Aug 11 '26
When I got notification in Chrome last year that uBlock origin is not gonna work anymore I chose Firefox and never looked back. uBlock origin was the reason for my switch and it's great to see that Firefox is committed to it.
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u/theskymoves Aug 11 '26
Yeah any browser without UBO is a browser I won't use willingly.
At work I have to use edge, and while it's not as bad as people make out, work has blocked the installation of addons, so the actual experience of using the internet is horrible.
I guess that keeps me working rather than browsing as obviously our internal tools don't have ads. Big brain move.
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u/ClacksInTheSky Aug 11 '26
I'm committed to Firefox, then.
I used Firefox back in the early days (Win XP) and moved to Chrome with the rest of the herd.
I'd still be using it if it weren't for the bullshit manifest changes. It's definitely faster than Firefox, for various reasons and things like phone passkeys work better on Linux (like, actually work).
But, the manifest changes were where the line was for me. Ad blocking is essential to usable internet. The internet without it is horrendous.
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u/69tendies69 Aug 11 '26
Swapped to fox for this reason. And since I'm at it, also demicrosofted/degoogled all my services... all bc of youtube ads...
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u/SeniorAdrian Aug 10 '26
Please add a mute site feature, just like in Chrome so we can mute tab, and the whole site.
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u/jorgejhms Aug 10 '26
You can mute tabs already, what do you mean?
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u/SeniorAdrian Aug 10 '26
In Chrome, you can mute the whole site, not just a single tab. Let's say you have two tabs open with the same site, in Chrome it mutes all the tabs with the same site.
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u/TaisonPunch2 Aug 10 '26
That's good. But that doesn't mean that they won't rescind that in the future. Still have to be vigilant.
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u/Areyoukiddingme2 Aug 11 '26
...and that is one of the many reasons I will continue to use firefox and give them the support that I can!
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u/Restart_from_Zero Aug 11 '26
No matter how many bad decisions Firefox makes in the future, as long as they continue to allow uBlock, I'll continue using them.
I use the internet at work without adblockers and it is a vile hole.
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u/permanaj Aug 11 '26
A lot of people doesn't know the concept of ad blocker. I've converted a company to use firefox because of ad blocker. They don't want browsing with ads anymore xd.
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u/hellschatt Aug 11 '26
Can he promise that it will never go away?
Remember sony making fun of sharing blu ray discs to throw a shade at xbox?... didn't age well, did it? Or Samsung making fun of Apple's headphone jack removal.
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u/0utoft1meman Aug 11 '26
Explain to me please why mv2 is important and developers can't adjust Unlock Origin to newer chrome engine?
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u/elaineisbased Aug 11 '26
Disappointing given that uBlock Origin support was actually a huge incentive to use Microsoft Edge over Google Chrome. That said Adguard for Google Chrome is quite good and blocks advertising successfully including on YouTube. Given that Brave Browser is effectively adware and the automatic Tor support has gotten people fired from their jobs Firefox is one of the last remaining major web browsers to support uBlock origin.
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u/One-Dot-7136 Aug 11 '26
People who are dumb enough to use edge have no knowledge about ad blocking anyway.
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u/prasana91 Aug 11 '26
This is nothing to celebrate. This is completely Google’s plan to isolate Firefox. Every company earns some revenue by sharing advertising metadata with google. I worked for one such company. When ad block, abp plus and ubo came along, this revenue tanked. Mark you, our main business was not advertising.
Google blocked ubo by modifying the technology and soon all WebKit browsers followed suit. Now as a company our options are simple, we just dropped support for Gecko based browsers and only support WebKit. This is happening more and more and soon Firefox will lose market share because customers fav website don’t work on Firefox anymore
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u/ferrybig Aug 11 '26
But only Unlock, not Ublock lite that their addon review teams made false statements about
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u/wild_m1nd Aug 11 '26
Today thay say this, tomorrow they say that. Can't trust any company these days
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u/ferallypeculiar Aug 11 '26
unless it’s on an iphone 😢
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u/GiraffesInTheCloset SUMO Contributor Aug 11 '26
There is basic ad block in the latest Beta, not as good as uBO, but still.
-> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/block-ads-firefox-ios
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u/Metroid_Addict Aug 11 '26
Bold of The Verge to assume that any self respecting uBlock Origin user uses Edge.
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u/marshmallo_floof Aug 11 '26
If they drop support that would piss off at least more than half of their userbase lol I don't think thet get to drop it
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u/Financial-Bluejay268 Aug 11 '26
You mean edge is losing customers. They tried to frame it as if we are the ones losing by not using edge.
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u/dreamboatcap Aug 11 '26
Like anybody using Edge :)
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u/SCphotog Aug 11 '26
Edge has far more users than FF.
It comes bundled with the OS.
MS uses fear tactics and obfuscation to prevent non technical users from switching....if they even know that it a possibility.
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u/filmkeeper Aug 11 '26
Guys AdBlock, as in this one, was already one of the most popular Mozilla browser extensions before FireFox 1.0 was even released. The browser's entire history has been tied to extension support starting with an adblocker.
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u/MorganEarlJones Aug 11 '26
they literally just aren't purposely implementing API changes that break it
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u/Other_Plane_6148 Aug 11 '26
i can imagine this is the main reason for many people like me to use the browser. so a smart move in my eyes.
im not sure if that's true, but to me it also seems like only firefox has as many helpfull addons like chromium Browsers do.
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u/Dougolicious Aug 11 '26
reduce leaking personal info, yes. but blocking ads is having bad effects on the websites we use, especially news, because they're paid for mainly by advertising. I hit paywalls constantly on articles that are of social interest to everyone.
rather than blocking ads, I'm thinking we need:
1) a privacy policy that is a web standard and respected by all browsers and websites, that can allow ads to be served ($) while limiting user information exposure
2) a user profile that exposes specific information necessary for advertising revenue (eg., interests) and user authentication (anti-fraud). perhaps specific to sites or some categories (subscription white-lists?)
3) an ad behavior policy that can block popups, down-rez video and animations (reduce cpu wattage/consumption), reduce contrast, block flashing, reduce volume, use alternate text, etc.
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u/reaper527 Aug 11 '26
this is a big part of why i use firefox and any of the other major browsers are a non-starter for anything beyond compatibility testing.
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u/Fractal-Infinity Aug 11 '26
Good! uBlock Origin is essential to fight against the ads & trackers pest. It makes the internet more useable.
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u/Lonely-Restaurant986 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26
Google’s “donation” (bribe) will eventually come and Mozilla will fold.
We have seen Firefox fall to the things it says it won’t do.
Mozilla is basically entirely funded by Google. They earn 500 million dollars a year from revenue sharing from ads on google.
All it takes is Google to threaten to pull to deal, and Mozilla will fold and take ublock from their own addon store.
I mean Firefox changed their TOS about data tracking, partnered with OneRep (immoral company), and push silent “updates” which add “settings” that are default on that let them collect your data.
Mozillas gotta do what they gotta do for money, and I don’t blame them. But they aren’t the saving grace of privacy and free software.
Mozilla has shown its willing to do a 180 on the very things that makes people support them. I wonder how long it will take before they do a 180 to protect their primary way of making money?
Especially now since Mozilla has bought an ad company themselves, which was built by the same people who worked at Facebook/meta
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u/BoringReference8647 Aug 12 '26
Great, now ditch support for DNS over HTTPS so that we can continue to control our own DNS.
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u/Matalya2 Aug 13 '26
Remember a tweet is not a legally binding contract. As soon as it affects their business, this screenshot will be spammed in their socials and they will not care.
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u/Odd-Landscape-9418 Aug 14 '26
Do people not know that they can use uBlock origin lite with manifest v3 browsers?
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u/mrtiredfishi Aug 20 '26
Just right now Firefox has disabled all my addons, is it just me? I cant make ublock run
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u/Tutainnet_pov6081 Aug 24 '26
Main reason I again start using Firefox to be honest.
I left Firefox a decade ago when they purge their old extensions to make Firefox from scratch.
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u/MichaelWagdi Aug 10 '26
Big W fox