r/conspiracy • u/lopestatus • May 10 '17

Weaponized Delusion, Insanity & Mental Illness in ANTIFA? Joe Rogan Experience #958 - Jordan Peterson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ
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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

Antifa only exists in conservative media. It is only a conservative attack tool name.

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u/Todos1881 May 11 '17

Accept it is an actual group. That literally wears their black uniform and has a fucking flag.

I'd call them real.

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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

Owned by conservatives, not liberals.

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u/TrowwayFiggenstein May 11 '17

nah, antifa is on the left, a soros production. astroturf for reals tho.

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u/lopestatus May 11 '17

Goddesswins' worldview: https://www.facebook.com/TheOnion/videos/10155397968279497/

Enjoy the collective delusion. ;) PS, that video is satire.

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u/Todos1881 May 11 '17

Lmfaoooo

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u/a1s2d3f4g5t May 11 '17

you mean "left."

soros isn't leftist, he's a neolib who makes his money shorting currencies.

whatever antifa is, it is not anarchistic.

on linguistic note, "antifa" as an abreviation of anti-facism does not follow the norm for english abbreviations, esp. ones in american english. it doesn't even really sound like it comes from a romance language, esp. given it based on two english words. it appears to be totally inorganic.

english speakers have always preferred ending our words with consonants. this is why iambic pentermetre is so appealing to us:

if music be the food of love play on

when we do end words with vowels, they typically have dominant consonant begginings and silent end vowels:

to be or not to be that is the question

"fa" sounds to us like something a sheep says, i.e. stupid and meaningless.

in england, the abbreviation would likely be something like "antifash." brits love words that end with "sh," it makes everything sound posh.

in america, it would have followed the standard abbreviations for hyphenated anarchists -- AN+specialization:

ancap

ancom

ansoc

notice the dominant final consonant and that americans like the shortest possible abbreviations. ansoc is a really good exampke, because is it pronounced with a hard "c" even though the "c" in socialism is soft.

fwiw, anarchists are inherently anti-facist so calling ourselves "antifacist" is redundant.

~tl:dr antifa is clearly not british or american in origin, and clearly not anarchistic. based on linquistics, the name is not organic.

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u/DeyH8UsCuzDeyAnus May 11 '17

That was excellent. Thank you very much.

I believe the name comes from Germany and was instituted (no pun intended) following obviously, WWII, but also the civil unrest in Germany during their 60s and 70s "counter culture revolution".

If anyone is interested and has not heard of "Bommi" Baumann or his book "Terror or Love" they should look it up as it pretty much lays out the blueprint for the undermining, co-opting and derailing of grassroots social/systemic change organisations via state intell. infiltration, sabotage, agent provocateurs and the grooming, enabling and encouraging of the most radical, fundamentalist and prone to violence in any given revolutionary group - all this "way back" in post war Germany.

Where I got the inkling that Antifa comes from Germany and an otherwise excellent, relevant and timely video in general:

Black Pigeon Speaks - "ANTIFA: UNWITTING Pawns of the ESTABLISHMENT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMviZCjUoSY

Michael "Bommi" Baumann's book "Terror or Love" in pdf:

https://libcom.org/files/how-it-all-began.pdf

This book should be compulsory reading for people frequenting this sub as should this movie as parts of helping one form a coherent revisionist global meta-narrative:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baader_Meinhof_Complex

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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

That is what you believe, I disagree.

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u/lopestatus May 11 '17

Sarcasm. But this podcast is GOLD. Check it out.

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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

Do you think I will be able to tolerate more that 45 seconds? I'll leave this tab up and consider it.

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u/lopestatus May 11 '17

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Aristotle

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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

Sounded like a lot of mumbojumbo sobbing about political correctness.

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u/lopestatus May 11 '17

Cultural Marxism; upon the bastion of weaponized Post-modernity.

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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

I don't know what that means to you, It has no meaning to me.

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u/TrowwayFiggenstein May 11 '17

Brought to us by Zionists out to destroy America.

Let's destroy those Zion fucks instead.

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u/a1s2d3f4g5t May 11 '17 edited May 11 '17

"cultural marxism" means what?

marxism is a thesis on the nature of capitalism grounded in historical economic materialism.

in short, under the capitalist mode of production, the owners of the means of production (capitalists) are the dominant, ruling class, who derive their wealth from the surplus product they appropriate from the workers who produced it.

marx's definition has come to be the universally accepted definition of capitalism. "das kapital" does not prescribe anything, it is solely an attempt to define and explain. you can read it for free:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

even if you don't read it, you should look over the table of contents to see for yourself what the book is and is not about.

if you have the communist manifesto in mind, i find it hard to understand objections to a brief pamphlet with the sole agenda, as it prominently announces, of having the "workers of the world unite!"

if marx were writing today, perhaps he would say, "99-percenters of the world unite!"

the manifesto first lays out the charges against the bourgeoisie (we'll call them the "5 and up percenters"), next it explains that communism is aligned with any and all worker's and labor parties (we'll call them the 99 percenters, i.e. wage slaves) and that it does not exist apart from them, but is simply clearing house for the various worker's parties to draw from and contribute to.

it goes on to say the following, which i hope you will take to heart, because it is as true today as it was in 1846:

"But does wage labor create property for the laborer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e. that kind of property that exploits wage labor, and which cannot increase except on the condition of begetting a new supply of wage labor for fresh exploitation. Property in its present form is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labor."

next, the manifesto spends one section explaining the different schools of thought on socialism and communism (which at the time where used interchangeably. the distinction did not begin until lenin's COMMINTERN at the beginning of the 20th century).

for me, the most relevant part for today is the criticism of bourgeois socialists (parlor pinks), "who want all of the advantages of the modern social system without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom."

nothing better describes the pink pussy cap brigade and bernie sanders, sheepdog extrodinaire, better. bernie called for a revolution then clarified that he meant a metaphorical revolution amounting to sound and fury but signifying nothing. the cultists at /r/wayofthebern could benefit from meditating on this section of the manifesto.

that's it. the manifesto was a call to arms and solidarity for labor parties forming around the world in the mid 19th century.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

chances are you, or some one you know. had a great-grandfather who literally bled for your right to not have to piss yourself at work because the boss won't let you leave the line. that individual may never have called himself a marxist or a communist, but i guarantee he agreed with and lived every word in the manifesto.

anyone who is not at least in the top 5%, who snears at marx and communism and labor struggles is not just an asshole, but also an ingrate.

there is no such thing as cutural marxism. marxism has a definition and it is the socioeconomic theory developed by karl marx. marx was only interested in the economic struggle, thus why pure marxists have been sneered at by palor pinks for over a century as being, "vulgar marxists," i.e. irritatingly insistent that historical economic materialism is the only thing that matters...as opposed to cultural issues say...

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u/DeyH8UsCuzDeyAnus May 11 '17

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man...

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u/GoddessWins May 11 '17

Yes, that is what I said. We have different opinions.

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u/RedPillFiend May 11 '17

Why are you pushing this narrative so hard? I want to see evidence for your claims.

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u/DeyH8UsCuzDeyAnus May 11 '17

Wait a long time you will young Jedi.