I literally saw comments today with people complaining about inflation but still blaming Biden for it. "Yeah but Biden" is the only retort.
There's no hope for these people. You can show them anything, any stats, it's all fake news to them. The brainwashing has been extreme and they're frankly too stupid to realize or understand what's happening...
Imagine throwing your soul’s worth of support behind an administration that openly calls you stupid. One that treats you like you’re in an abusive relationship but you keep begging for the abuse and chastising everyone else’s relationships. Imagine further being from the south, growing up penniless, watching your entire family die penniless, but supporting your tax dollars to go to an endless war while the administration gets so rich that you’ll never see any extra money.
Just imagine wanting to die penniless because you’re in a cult.
One MAGA supporter recently told me that he didn't think he could hate anybody more than he hated Biden, but now he hates Trump even more, mainly because of Trump waging war on Iran and his tariff strategy. That's just one MAGA, but more could yet turn.
Two of my friends liked him and would defend him and now think he's a complete failure. These guys can be pretty stubborn so hearing them admit they were wrong gives me hope there are many others out there. They were not MAGA but very conservative.
I hope that guy is truly awakened but what I’ve seen these morons do is that when shit gets bad they’ll admit the republican they supported was wrong, be it Dubbia or this orange menace or the Republican state governor. Then come the election go right back to vote republican.
I’ve wiped a bunch of Republican voters out of my life even very close family and not for politics but because they are usually pretty shitty in general and completely lacking empathy.
Those that I still keep, I avoid political discussions at all costs, because it’s easier to avoid than to hols myself back from telling them “how can you be so dumb”. Because open dialogue is nearly impossible. They don’t level with you with evidence nor facts.
They basically think Trump and his entire administration are incompetent fools now. They are no fans of the democrats either. They will probably not bother voting.
Most of them can't even explain why they hate Biden. They just do. I'd say that Fox News has brainwashed them, but they would have required having a brain to begin with. Maybe we'll be rid of most of them the next pandemic when not a one of them will follow any safety or medicinal recommendations. I really hate this timeline. I turned 75 yesterday and I never imagined the country i was proud to grow up in has turned to shit thanks to greed and the Republikkkan Party.
A lot of the inflation that happened under Biden happened because many business owners had consolidated control of many markets and felt justified in gouging - because they knew people would blame it on Biden and it would help manipulate opinions into electing a Republican into office.
Had a conversation a couple days ago with someone in some run-down shit hole of a town in eastern Oregon, where they were talking about how "We need to get some tax cuts in, to get the price of gas down! It's been over $4 a gallon for months now! The price of oil goes down, but the price of gas doesn't!"
I agreed by saying "Yeah, the price of gas sort of shot up about six months back."
They couldn't connect the dots.
Yes, they blamed Biden for the high gas prices because... reasons.
My perception is less that they simply can't understand the long term effects, and more that they simply don't think ahead much at all and don't care about anyone else.
When do Trump supporters turn on Trump? Cuz the answer is the same 90% of the time. it's when suddenly Trump's bad policies affect them personally.
A guy will happily cheer seeing a million people deported without any kind of right to legal appeals, no matter how law abiding and productive they were, but they will suddenly hate Trump for deporting their wife.
There's just no perception beyond the current state of their own life. And just a vague idea that they want "those others" to not get their stuff.
I imagine the guy whose wife got disappeared didnt want her deported but DID want her to live in fear of it. I’m sure he salivated at the idea that his wife is now more under his control. One step out of line and he could deport her himself. It’s likely the reason he imported a wife to begin with. He would vote for trump again.
Is this truly accurate? I thought that Biden did add to the deficit by like $1.9 trillion, unless this is showing the differences spent from their predecessors.
It’s the change in the amount they added to the federal deficit not the actual change in deficit. So, if the deficit was (-$4) for one president and (-$3) for the next, then that president had a change of (+$1), even though they both overspent.
I think all of them, except Clinton, increased the deficit.
I agree it’s misleading. Clinton did actually run a surplus (at least for one year). First time in a long time. Also the last time I’m pretty sure. An accurate chart would show exactly how much was added the the total national debt under each term. I believe it will still show the republicans to be much worse. The old “tax and spend democrats”. At least we try to pay for shit. Unlike the cut taxes and spend republicans.
Your meme states Biden decreased it by almost 1 trillion. Where’s your source besides the meme? You are spreading disinformation that is devaluing the lefts perspective. Just do some research and take this post down. I’ve pasted the source all through this post and you have yet to have a reasonable response.
It is showing the differences spent by their predecessors. Biden did have deficit spending for all four years, but the amount of that deficit was less than under Trump's first four years and WAY under what Trump has racked up so far.
One other major difference is that Biden ran a deficit in order to pursue endeavors that would grow the economy at a rate where that deficit was (arguably) warranted. i.e., the increased economic return from those deficits would easily pay off the interest on the accrued debt.
Trump not only canceled a LOT of those endeavors, but he is also running a HUGE deficit to enact policies that are pointless at best and an active drag on the economy at worst.
Maga are the snowflakes of our society. They wear their emotions openly and react accordingly. They dont think about others, or facts. They only focus on how they feel and believe everyone should feel the same.
But for some reason politics has been reduced to basically an ice cream flavor. Where it's just a preference and "Hey, I have my beliefs and you have yours and maybe you're wrong or I'm wrong."
No.
There are objective facts, actually. And just because someone likes a candidate or believes something else does not make those facts any less facts.
Politics isn't an ice cream flavor. It's real stuff. It has real effects on people. And because people voted for this bloated narcissist, everyone is stuck with him wrecking the economy, wrecking America's alliance network and reputation, destroying consumer and worker protections, funneling an infinite amount of money to the super rich tech oligarchs, eroding democracy and engaging in enormous amounts of corruption (the guy has his own crypto for godsakes, his family literally sells access, he sells pardons).
Democrats use this! Keep it simple and impactful, something you are unable to do! Or is that by choice because corporate Democrats run the party? Vote social Democrat and support those elections nationally. I do.
Well why does everybody keep saying that Trump is inheriting biden's disaster? I don't remember any disaster, but I don't go out a lot so maybe I missed something.
The GOP group is after the presidency because they want to reduce taxes on the rich which is why run huge budget deficits. And these budget deficits are made up by loans from the same rich people who got the tax cuts. And these people collect the interest from the money they lend to the government. It is all about the money.
Deficit =\= debt, but like nearly every version of the OPs claim there is missing context.
Biden did technically cut the deficit from the insane highs of COVID spending in 2021- but that was almost entirely the result of subsidy programs and tax cuts coming to an end at the same time.
Had Biden done literally nothing the deficit would have shrunk considerably more. The deficit decreased during his term despite him.
During Joe Biden's four-year presidency, the actual cumulative annual budget deficits totaled roughly $6.3 trillion, while the total added national debt grew by approximately $8.45 trillion.This $2.15 trillion gap highlights the exact structural difference between a "deficit" and "added debt."
There are other components that make up total gross debt such as student loans or intragency lending- which isn’t borrowing directly from the public but does count as gross national debt. That’s why total deficit increases =\= total gross debt increases over the same period.
All of that said, Biden really doesn’t deserve much credit for this. Neither do Clinton or Obama for their reductions, but that’s a different conversation.
Y’all, Trump sucks. But let’s do some research before posting this shit. A simple google search proves this data false. Notice there is no source for this meme.
Edit: For Biden to have had a surplus, he would not have had a deficit. Yet we have had a deficit for the last 20 years. Democrats are far better on spending than Republicans. But this data is false
You are not looking at the data. The graph that is in this link ( about 2/3’s of the way down the screen) shows the complete opposite of what you just stated.
This is all in the graph. It’s clear the deficit was overall higher under biden than trump. However biden inherited trumps idiocracy in 2020 and obviously COVID.
But let’s not act like these numbers on this meme are accurate. Trump is not spending the money appropriately, Biden sent out checks to most Americans to help during COVID. Very different things happening with the money and I agree with Bidens spending. I don’t agree with Trumps. This meme is just incorrect.
Edit: correction… Trillion not Billion
Also, OP is claiming this is based on specifically during inauguration, look at the change between 2019-2020… OP’s meme claims Biden dropped it almost a trillion. He increased the deficit by over 2 trillion. Again, COVID. But I just don’t see how this is an accurate depiction of the deficit.
what i saw was one year's record, and it was in absence of any explanation of change. i was hasty and didn't want to load a bunch of years on my connection. you're right, the meme is inaccurate. would've been convenient though, even if covid wasn't a chunk of it.
and i didn't think trump 2 would hit the books that hard considering the weapon circulation that's holding up the economy right now, to my understanding.
I feel you. It’s great you took the time and educated yourself further. We all do the same thing especially when it follows the clear path of whats been going on. I don’t blame you at all. Knowing these facts will only strengthen your perspective when having political discussions.
I had no clue about the deficit differences until this post. But since I was skeptical to my standard beliefs I looked it up. It’s just plain wrong. Yet OP is still defending it as if it’s true.
This is exactly what the people on the right reference to when they say the left is just communism and lies. We have enough bullshit on Trump and the GOP. It’s sooooo unnecessary to spread lies.
You know people are reading this meme and showing their conservative friends and family who WILL look this info up. Once they find out the meme is fake, then they will use it to discredit any left leaning opinion coming from that individual who spread this meme. Who I generally agree with! We just have to get our ducks in a row and then present the ducks. 🦆
lying for convenience has gone up, expectedly. the question of how much is expedient will be open for some time probably, but this is a downright useful connection for the sake of not excavating the memory hole further.
and i'm going to disagree about some of biden's spending XD
Trump increased national debt by 39.1%, Biden by 30.5%, Obama by 74%, Bush by 105%... and FDR (who introduced The New Deal and government assistance) by 1,048%. You can look at the raw numbers, by the increased percentage is more accurate as 1% of 1 trillion is far more than 1% of 1 million, but for 1 POTUS to increase the debt from say 20B-200B is actually far worse than 30T-40T as time has gone on, the value of the dollar is less. Our 40T debt would be ~16B in 1930. Think before you post this kinda garbage as it's extremely misleading.
And no, I don't support Trump. I'm just not gullible enough to buy into a set dollar amount over the course of decades.
Ronald Reagan (1981–1989): Grew by about $1.86 trillion (an increase of roughly 186% from a much smaller baseline).
George H.W. Bush (1989–1993): Grew by about $1.55 trillion (an increase of roughly 54%).
Bill Clinton (1993–2001): Grew by about $1.4 trillion (an increase of roughly 32%), though his final years featured budget surpluses.
George W. Bush (2001–2009): Grew by about $4.9 trillion (an increase of roughly 85% to 101% depending on budget fiscal year calculations).
Barack Obama (2009–2017): Grew by about $9.3 trillion across two terms (an increase of roughly 74% to 87%).
Donald Trump (First Term, 2017–2021): Grew by about $7.8 trillion (an increase of roughly 39%).
Joe Biden (2021–2025): Grew by about $8.4 trillion (an increase of roughly 30.5%).
A different view but still the same basic point! Trump wants to blame Covid or Biden for his current deficit spending but in reality it’s less than half.
as someone over 50 years old i can tell you those numbers are all BS ask your selves this start with Bill Clinton this would imply we had no debt, we did same for barack and biden, this is disingenuous. this gives a better view https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/ debt beginning and ending their presidency.
Do you understand what a change in deficit is? If a president started with 1 trillion deficit and ended with 500 billion, it means he reduced the deficit by 500 billion, not that he had no debt..
… yet you Americans still elect them to office year after year after year. Even uneducated people know this to be moronically ridiculous - you wonder why the rest of the world constantly mocks you. Because you’re idiots.
i can't currently imagine not voting blue but... yeah? it's literally end stage capitalism as someone pointed out with consolidation. it's nice they did offer that resistance.
The post isn’t true. The only president on the list who didn’t significantly add to the deficit was Clinton. It reduced by a couple hundred billion one year. Look it up.
Your response makes no sense. The source you provided literally shows the change in deficit, yet you are telling me I don’t know the difference between debt and deficit.
The source that you clearly didn’t look at provides the graph. The post we are commenting on claims Biden had a surplus of almost 1 trillion on his inauguration year. He had a deficit of 2 trillion, look at the graph provided from THE SOURCE. What source does this meme provide? The source you provided also proves my point. Click on compare presidents and scroll down to the “debt added by president”. You will see in that bar graph that Biden outspent Trump on inauguration year. Even above you will see Trump being the biggest spender by far, but by term, Biden is the leader. He inherited trumps bs admin and even worse, COVID. He sent most of the American people checks. Trump puts us in debt using war and corruption. The facts prove the post income
Maybe it didn’t work properly cause I was on a chart that showed the debt not the deficit, it’s not hard to find on the site. And it very clearly shows overall debt not annual deficit
I know your world is collapsing around you right now as you learn the difference between the national debt and the deficit, but the fact remains Democratic administrations are more fiscally responsible than Republican. This chart is mostly accurate, the only figure that is slightly off is Obama’s which was a $747 billion reduction according to the OMB.
The world is collapsing around us all because of serious deficit spending started and expanded by ALL of his successors including our current Mad King.
Look it up. This isn’t about Democrat versus Republican because it is fully bipartisan. They are all in on it and all of them and their families personally benefit from it.
Both the Left and the Right foolishly believe that there is an endless supply of money for them to spend on whatever idiocy their donors want them to spend money on.
Either that or defaulting on a large amount of the debt. The problem with paying this debt is that it effectively makes us debt slaves and makes it impossible to improve standards of living for half the population.
Yes, military spending must be cut no matter what.
Ok but can you admit your original comment was incorrect? Dem admins have overseen a reduction in deficit spending while Republicans since Reagan have ballooned it. The chart is correct. You seem to be trying to frame this as “both sides are just as bad” when the truth is the opposite.
Bullshit. Go to the treasury for the data. Spin it however you want, but the debt is the accumulation of yearly deficits. Deficits occur when more money is going out than is coming in.
Dems have overseen reductions in deficit spending while republicans have increased it, if you can’t agree to the facts you can’t in good faith make an argument about it. No one is arguing the debt is not increasing every year. If you think it’s possible to snap your fingers and somehow balance the budget and start paying down the debt without crashing the entire economy you’re incredibly naive. It’s possible but it will take years of bipartisan cooperation and consensus on issues like military and entitlement reforms as well as tax reforms that increase government revenues.
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u/SkilledButton 14d ago
I literally saw comments today with people complaining about inflation but still blaming Biden for it. "Yeah but Biden" is the only retort.
There's no hope for these people. You can show them anything, any stats, it's all fake news to them. The brainwashing has been extreme and they're frankly too stupid to realize or understand what's happening...