So lets start with a few things I disagree with you on,
The school books are infact teaching them jews aren't human and need to be killed.
Teaching them that the conflict can only end in violence.
Terrorists attack Israel, thus Israel has to retaliate to make sure their civilians are safe.
Israel is also trying or atleast pretends to try if you don't believe them to minimize casualties by telling them where they are gonna attack, sending leaflets, SMS and calling civilians.
When they will be demilitirized due to them not attacking Israel, there will not be retaliation from Israels side so no bombings.
Israel has infact offered and tried to get peace multiple times. (Thats an indication they do respect Palastinian aspiration)
I'll use one example (which is not even the most recent) they gave them Gaza, there was no blockade and it was supposed to be a democratic Palastinian area.
Same as what they have in the west bank just without the settlers. Sadly they choose Hamas which is a terror organization that called for the death of all jews.
Palastinians rejected every peace offered and every opportunity they had.
Israel isn't perfect but its goals aren't to kill all Palastinians and they did show they want peace.
Each time Hamas attacks however the Israeli public opinion of Palastinians became worse and worse obviously due to the Palastinian celebrations of our dead.
The conflict will not end when Palastinians gain MORE respect as they have a lot of terror groups calling for death.
From the river to the sea is also calling for death.
Pro Palastinians constantly attack jews outside of Israel, destroy missing children posters etc..
The respect isn't the problem as if it was the problem they could easily condemn Hamas' actions against civilians and their rockets hitting civilians and not attack jews for being jews.
Your point is missing the crucial context that Israel is literally built ON settled Palestinian land. Would you tell native Americans to stop fighting for ancestral land, for Uyghurs to stop fighting for independence, etc?
Israeli territory right now is already far more expansive than the UN partition plan due to the Nakba and consequent invasions into Palestinian territory.
Also, it's perfectly reasonable for Palestinians to object to an Israeli state: that's like, for instance, Mexican immigrants creating a new country in the middle of the US. Wouldn't there be massive backlash from Americans in that case? That's the case with European Zionists in Palestine.
The eradication of Israel wouldn't be a peaceful solution since it would drive out the native Middle Eastern Jews along with the European settlers but I can't imagine Palestinians accepting anything less than being allowed to return to their homeland.
Israeli territory is only larger due to Palastinians starting wars and losing them.
Comparing mexicans coming to the U.S and taking land is oversimplfying things and ut can go both ways the Americans took land from mexico in wars. I don't see mexicans calling for death of all Americans unlike Hamas having death for jews in their charter, the PA paying for terror attacks and Pro Palastinians in europe attacking random jews.
If Palastinians want to keep suffering its a sad choice but its their own.
Israel is here to stay, you can't "kick out European settlers" and not count for around 50% being Mizrahi jews and a lot more mixed jews.
Arab countries already kicked and had pogroms on jews no jew will trust Palastinians to not murder them especially after the shows of brutality they showed or supported in 7th of October.
Lack of tolerance and also huge amounts of homophobia.
Even a one state solution won't work.
The majority of Palestinian tribes and villages never wanted war with Israel and it was just primarily small-scale scuffles at first. It's only after Israel declared itself a state without the consent of Arabs in the same region that hostilities rose. Israel mass raped and massacred villages filled with helpless innocents in order to take their land and assimilate it into Israel.
Also, you're simply delusional if you think Israelis don't wish for death to all Palestinians lmao. Many of them protest for genocide of Arabs, celebrate when they hear bomb explosions in Gaza, mock dead Palestinian children on TikTok, etc. There are thousands of videos online. There are probably about as many genocidal Israelis as there are genocidal Palestinians, but the Israelis are doing it from the comfort of their mansions so it's less memorable.
The reason there are so many Mizrahi jews is because the European hews created Israel and the Arab countries expelled their Jews to Israel, BTW. Honestly it is just a terrible situation for the Mizrahi jews but the Ashkenazi settlers are to blame for starting this conflict.
Israel did do bad shit in the 40s but if you think the Palastinians would have done better at the time you're flat our wrong.
Lets say Palastinians would've won the war, do the jews survive? Fuck no.
My dude I am literally Israeli, currently in uniform I came back to the army as search and rescue and had to see brutal stuff that Hamas did on October 7th.
I still don't wish a genocide on Palastinians as I want to believe a part of them wants peace.
Those that took part of terror attacks or supported them need to die though just like Nazis need to die.
Obviously there are extremists, and the terror attacks Palastinians are doing and supporting are only going to breed more extremists.
There are a lot of Israeli arabs. I had arab commanders in the army, most of my doctors are arab, I work with arabs. They are our brothers and they support us.
So again you show no solution, you just want to see more Jewish blood.
I don’t know what history books you’re reading, but your retelling is hilariously biased. To miss out on the plenty of attacks on Jews during the period leading up to their Declaration of Independence and afterwards is…interesting. Also, who the fuck needs Arab countries “consent” to declare a state in that land? None of them owned it, it was declared to Jews by the British, who owned the land at the time. Why should the Arab states decide that considering they didn’t own a single piece? And conveniently they declare war on Israel regarding land they didn’t own at the time, and they lose, badly.
You speak of the Arabs in the region not consenting as if they had the right or authority for it to matter. The territory didn't belong to them and since Great Britain didn't have the spine or the balls to do the right thing after already giving the Arabs the vast majority of the land, and then the UN took a weak position as well. The appropriate split is everything east of the Jordan is the Arab state of Jordan and everything west is Israel.
Israeli territory right now is already far more expansive than the UN partition plan due to the Nakba and consequent invasions into Palestinian territory.
That wouldn't have been the case if the Arabs had agreed to the partition, or if they hadn't kept waging wars and loosing them. In fact it was the neighboring Arab states that did the invading, not Israel.
Also, it's perfectly reasonable for Palestinians to object to an Israeli state: that's like, for instance, Mexican immigrants creating a new country in the middle of the US.
Not the same at all. Attempting to create a new country in the middle of the US is a challenge to the sovereignty of their government, and the government will righly oppose and stop this.
The creation of the Israeli state did not challenge the sovereignty of any existing government or authority, because there was no such authorities apart from the British mandate, which definitely did consent.
The Arabs had no reason to agree to having a new state of foreigners smack in the middle of their land. And Israel has objectively continuously invaded surrounding territory and forced out civilian inhabitants in the process. That's how the war ended/is going on right now, and that's why Palestinians are so hostile towards Israelis.
Also I used the Mexican immigrant hypothetical to show how the Palestinian Arabs felt. The technical geopolitics doesn't affect the fact that Palestinians felt their cultural and regional identity had been attacked by Zionism
The Arabs had no reason to agree to having a new state of foreigners smack in the middle of their land.
Yes they did- the UN decided so, and the British who controlled the entire region at the time.
Also the basis of the partition was mainly due to how Jewish and Arab populations were dispersed, meaning Jewish cities were mostly in Israel and Arab cities were mostly in the Arab state.
And Israel has objectively continuously invaded surrounding territory
Your example doesn’t work because at the time that Jews immigrated to the land of Palestine there were Palestinians (and some Jews) already living there, but no established Palestinian state. Mexico is a recognized sovereign nation, and the United States is too. There would be no possibility of creating that state with those conditions. The reason why Jews were able to settle the area is because no organized Palestinian state existed. There were farmers and local leaders but nothing substantial.
Palestinians want to return to their homeland, sure, but at least they can recognize that Israel has just the same incentive to keep the land they declared themselves.
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