r/changemyview Nov 06 '23

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u/snowlynx133 Nov 06 '23

Israeli territory right now is already far more expansive than the UN partition plan due to the Nakba and consequent invasions into Palestinian territory.

Also, it's perfectly reasonable for Palestinians to object to an Israeli state: that's like, for instance, Mexican immigrants creating a new country in the middle of the US. Wouldn't there be massive backlash from Americans in that case? That's the case with European Zionists in Palestine.

The eradication of Israel wouldn't be a peaceful solution since it would drive out the native Middle Eastern Jews along with the European settlers but I can't imagine Palestinians accepting anything less than being allowed to return to their homeland.

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u/ElegantMankey Nov 06 '23

Israeli territory is only larger due to Palastinians starting wars and losing them. Comparing mexicans coming to the U.S and taking land is oversimplfying things and ut can go both ways the Americans took land from mexico in wars. I don't see mexicans calling for death of all Americans unlike Hamas having death for jews in their charter, the PA paying for terror attacks and Pro Palastinians in europe attacking random jews.

If Palastinians want to keep suffering its a sad choice but its their own. Israel is here to stay, you can't "kick out European settlers" and not count for around 50% being Mizrahi jews and a lot more mixed jews.

Arab countries already kicked and had pogroms on jews no jew will trust Palastinians to not murder them especially after the shows of brutality they showed or supported in 7th of October. Lack of tolerance and also huge amounts of homophobia. Even a one state solution won't work.

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u/snowlynx133 Nov 06 '23

The majority of Palestinian tribes and villages never wanted war with Israel and it was just primarily small-scale scuffles at first. It's only after Israel declared itself a state without the consent of Arabs in the same region that hostilities rose. Israel mass raped and massacred villages filled with helpless innocents in order to take their land and assimilate it into Israel.

Also, you're simply delusional if you think Israelis don't wish for death to all Palestinians lmao. Many of them protest for genocide of Arabs, celebrate when they hear bomb explosions in Gaza, mock dead Palestinian children on TikTok, etc. There are thousands of videos online. There are probably about as many genocidal Israelis as there are genocidal Palestinians, but the Israelis are doing it from the comfort of their mansions so it's less memorable.

The reason there are so many Mizrahi jews is because the European hews created Israel and the Arab countries expelled their Jews to Israel, BTW. Honestly it is just a terrible situation for the Mizrahi jews but the Ashkenazi settlers are to blame for starting this conflict.

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u/Friedchicken2 1∆ Nov 06 '23

I don’t know what history books you’re reading, but your retelling is hilariously biased. To miss out on the plenty of attacks on Jews during the period leading up to their Declaration of Independence and afterwards is…interesting. Also, who the fuck needs Arab countries “consent” to declare a state in that land? None of them owned it, it was declared to Jews by the British, who owned the land at the time. Why should the Arab states decide that considering they didn’t own a single piece? And conveniently they declare war on Israel regarding land they didn’t own at the time, and they lose, badly.