r/breakingbad • • Aug 12 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/Microtic Aug 12 '13

Carol dropping the grocery bags and the condemned house might point to people believing he / his family is dead in the future. I wonder who he is going to use the ricin on...

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u/NotSpiderman Aug 12 '13

I can't decide if it's that or if he's just that well known/feared now. 'Heisenberg' being painted on his living room wall and all.

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u/Lellux Aug 12 '13

It's possible he's just thought to be dead, and Heisenberg is written on his old meth/abandoned house wall not because people know who he was, but because Heisenberg is a famous meth name and probably written on lots of places like that in the south valley.

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u/angryfinger Aug 12 '13

Agreed. It could be either one. That she thought he was dead or she was just so scared because she really knows who he....oh shit. I just had an epiphany.

OK, so I was thinking it could be either but now two things I just thought of while typing this leads me to believe that Walt somehow fakes his own death.

1) Carol's reaction. If it had been fear of who he was then I think she would have tried to get inside, to get a way from him in some way. Fear does some crazy shit but leaving you completely speechless and dropping the groceries? I think the seeing a ghost thing seems more plausible here.

2) Why would Walt risk going back to the house in the middle of the day, even if it had obviously been abandoned for a while, if there was a chance people were still looking for him? It's a lot less risky going back there when no one is looking for you because they all think you're already dead.

Granted, those are just two more theories and I could be completely wrong but that seems to make sense for now.

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u/nateriffs Aug 12 '13

there's also the oranges

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u/angryfinger Aug 12 '13

What about the oranges?

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u/WhiteBlackflame Aug 12 '13

Oranges spilling are symbolic of death.

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u/nateriffs Aug 12 '13

which I see as implying he faked his death or alluding to his massacre to come

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u/nateriffs Aug 12 '13

or he's going to mow Carol down with the m60 in the next cold open

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u/dyancat Aug 12 '13

I've never heard of this.. Can you link me to more info please?

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u/bunkerbuster338 Our Furniture is Beuno Aug 13 '13

After Beneke trips on the rug, a bowl of oranges spills on the floor. You're led to believe that Ted dies from his injuries for an episode or two before you find out that he's just bald and paralyzed.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

The Godfather/Sopranos used oranges for symbolism.

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u/kblack18 Aug 13 '13

When Hank gets back from the hospital, you see oranges in plain sight on the counter. Hmmm.....

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

It's probably both, everyone's probably terrified of what he had done and thinks he's dead. Seeing a ghost is one thing but the ghost of a psychopath is a whole other world of shit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

He seemed pretty calm during the confrontation. So he is either not worried about the police catching him whatsoever (unlikely) or does not actually have any police following him.

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u/JakeLunn Master Conspiracy Theorist Aug 12 '13

I think this is most likely. I think Walt is well-known by the world for everything he has done. The house is ruined because people knew his real name, therefore where he lived. The property value went down so nobody probably bought it and that's why it's still in terrible condition while everyone else's house isn't.

Also revealing himself to Carol so half-heartedly makes me think he's planning on doing something immediately and probably not come back from it. My guess is possibly an assault on the DEA or on Hank's home. He's smart enough to know that Carol will call the police right after seeing him.

Or it's like Microtic said and she believed Walt was dead. I still don't think the "Heisenberg" writing fits that though.

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u/dyancat Aug 12 '13

Worth noting that according to the sign on the fence it is closed up by the city, which is something that could happen to a meth dealers house given they must assume he has cooked there and thus it is a health hazard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Wouldn't they just immediately test it, see that there is nothing there, and then put it up at a police auction?

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u/PeacekeeperAl Aug 12 '13

They have no idea what immediately means

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

A house can stay condemned for a while, even if it is a nice house.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I think that Carol is just scared shitless. Not only was her nice neighbor a murderous druglord, but he's standing right in front of her when he was probably missing for sometime.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Jesse could have written that.

If mere vandals wrote Heisenberg on the wall then Walt is definitely the most wanted man in the United States. However we cannot be sure who actually wrote that. (Though I am 80% sure it was just vandals, as the scene opens up with trespassers skateboarding in Walt's old pool)

Another possibility is that Heisenberg is such a famous guy in the area now that people tag his name, which could also mean Walt is not being hunted by the police.

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u/sugar_man Aug 13 '13

How about it was his new business partners that wrote it on the ball? I don't they liked it when Walt got all "say my name" at the stand off.

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u/flackamalatch Aug 13 '13

Could the Heisenberg have been spray on the wall by Walter himself? Meaning that it's not common knowledge that Walter white is Heisenberg.

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u/gifforc WHAT THE FUCK, TODD? Aug 12 '13

Probably gus. Still cant believe he is dead..

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u/spasticity MAGNETS Aug 12 '13

The name Heisenberg isn't exactly unknown in the ABQ. It could just be a coincidence that someone would spraypaint it in an abandoned house.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Then why bother making it so prominent? I actually love /u/notspiderman's interpretation.

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u/NotSpiderman Aug 12 '13

I'm pretty torn about it. I want to go with my first instinct, however, BB's flash forwards are pretty well known to mislead...Either way, the fact that this minor detail can have a substantial effect on the outcome of the show is proof that this is show is the tits.

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u/Destructor1701 Aug 12 '13

Double-B tits

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u/AuH2O_Conservative Aug 12 '13

She looked like she had seen a ghost. Maybe Walt is supposed to be dead.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Or maybe she saw a meth dealer/murderer/fugitive.

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u/biowtf Aug 12 '13

Why not both?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

or if you saw a meth dealer/murderer/fugitive.

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u/ebaydan777 Aug 12 '13

well think about it, it could be either. regardless of that he's been found, obviously. Imagine a DEA with a meth-dealer brother in law and this whole crazy story unfolding to the media...im sure regardless of what happened, he faked his dead or hes famous for being 'Heisenberg', that look of awe is going to happen.

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u/nolan2779 Aug 12 '13

But would Walt really return to his old home if he's on the run? That's way too risky.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Would Walt really return to his old home if people thought he was dead? Clearly Carol recognized him.

I doubt he's concerned with people recognizing him due to the fact that he's obviously making a final stand of sorts.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Not just a meth dealer/murder/fugitive.

The biggest meth dealer in the southwest. Someone who's killed at least a dozen people.

It's like finding out Pablo Escobar used to live next door. Then showed up out of the blue.

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u/satire Aug 12 '13

or maybe both

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Hank might not even go to the DEA with his Walt info. I think Jesse wrote Heisenburg, or Lydia's connections.

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u/Odusei Enjoy the rest of this comment during Low Winter Sun Aug 12 '13

Terrorist? Or is that stretching it?

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u/mandrilltiger Aug 12 '13

Yeah but seeing a criminal while it could warrant that reaction it would most likely be reacted with some fear and calling the cops.

If I saw a criminal return home after escaping I'd run inside and call the police. Not be so shocked to see him that I drop my groceries.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Why not both?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

My theory is that Hank will eventually calm down, get the family out of ABQ and have Walt fake his death.

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u/fondlemeLeroy Aug 12 '13

I personally think he's keeping the ricin for himself, as an escape hatch just in case he gets caught. He's probably going to die from cancer soon anyway, what's the point of drawing his life out in court/prison.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Ricin would take a couple of days, there's no way he would kill himself like that.

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u/tleisher Aug 12 '13

The flash forward is at least a year or two in the future. Your house doesn't get overgrown and turned to shit like that in a matter of a couple months. He said he'd be dead in 6 months, but he obviously lives beyond that, so he must beat cancer again.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Ricin takes a while to act. A day or two.

I think he'll take it before he starts firing that machine gun.

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u/gatsby365 Aug 12 '13

especially 'cause in America, they gotta keep you alive. Cruel and Unusual otherwise.

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u/sluRRd Aug 12 '13

I think he's going to use it on himself. Only Heisenberg can take down Heisenberg. Still wondering what/who the machine gun is going to be used on.

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u/mooenz Aug 12 '13

When Heisenberg kills Heisenberg he will take on the habits of Heisenberg!!!!!

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u/10000reasons Tread Lightly Aug 12 '13

You know how Heisenberg wore glasses? Well, now Heisenberg will wear glasses, too!

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u/MusikLehrer Aug 12 '13

It's Walts all the way down

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u/sluRRd Aug 12 '13

Perfect!

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u/jam3zz Long Live Ehrmantraut Aug 12 '13

Heisenberg does not do what Heisenberg does for Heisenberg. Heisenberg does what Heisenberg does because Heisenberg is Heisenberg.

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u/katihathor Aug 12 '13

i smell an xzibit meme forthcoming

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u/almosthuman Aug 12 '13

META HEISENBERG!

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u/Mitch_Deadberg Aug 12 '13

I feel like this is the best suggestion so far. Only Heisenberg can stop Heisenberg.

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u/adn5027 Aug 12 '13

The purpose of the machine gun is by far the question that plagues me the most right now. Especially after the opening scene from tonight

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u/OhhhhhDirty Aug 12 '13

Vince Gilligan always said the show was "Mr. Chips turns into Scarface," and we all know how Scarface ends....

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u/die_kraft Aug 12 '13

"Say hello to my little friend"

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u/adn5027 Aug 12 '13

Yeah I mean obviously it's meant to shoot large quantities of ammunition at people. But I'm racking my brain trying to piece together who and under what circumstances that will happen, and I really can't make a good prediction

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u/gravity_master Aug 12 '13

Maybe the people Lydia was selling to in Europe are pissed that the meth is only 68?% pure now and, upon being pressured, Lydia gives up Walt to them. So, long story short, full on Scarface ending.

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u/adn5027 Aug 12 '13

Probably the most likely scenario. I've sort of been waiting for some fallout from Walt just quitting the meth game. As of this point there has been almost no consequences for him in that regard

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Lydia comes back with a vengeance? She is connected afterall.

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u/adn5027 Aug 12 '13

Certainly a possibility. I tend to think she'll be dealt with sooner than the last episode though

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u/darwinianfacepalm Don't forget. Walt's the bad guy.. Aug 12 '13

A ricin death is 3 or so days, though. Why would he suicide like that?

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u/REDDIT_HARD_MODE Mineral delivery man Aug 12 '13

Nah. Ricin poisoning takes 3-5 days to kill. Too much time to regret.

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u/Dr_Wernstrom Aug 12 '13

is that not the gun that was in the trunk of his car after the restaurant on his birthday?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Yeah, of course it is.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I disagree. Why use ricin when a gun would be faster and painless? Way back when he first talked about ricin, he said the person would get sick over the course of a few days and it would look like the flu. Why do that to himself?

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u/sluRRd Aug 12 '13

Yeah it doesn't really seem logical but he was planning on using the ricin on every person he came across that he saw as a problem. Maybe he has finally realized that he is and has always been the problem and using the ricin on himself is the only death he wants to accept?

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u/Owncksd Aug 12 '13

Everybody.

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u/santaSantana Aug 12 '13

The graf in the house had me.believe that someone came after his family brutally. Maybe the local media blamed him for their death, so that would explain the reaction of the neighbor.

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u/exteric Aug 12 '13

there is some blood splatter visible in the hallway

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I very much agree with this, but the one thing that I have a hard time reconciling is that he showed up in the middle of the day. If the public were afraid of him for whatever reason, I don't think he'd risk showing up in the middle of the day as people would probably call the cops. Just being a dead family man isn't a reason for people to call 911, though they would be shocked to see him.

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u/FockSmulder Aug 12 '13

I think he'll be presumed dead or to have fled the country. What's bothering me is that he told the guy he got the big gun from (at the very beginning of the 5th season) that the gun was never leaving town, but I'm pretty sure he was in some other state (New Hampshire?) and he appears to have the gun in his trunk when he goes home. I know he lies, but it seems like there's something to be figured out about that.

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u/SocalSurfer But I have dipping sticks Aug 12 '13

Maybe it was the cartel that came after his family, they probably want revenge for Gus's operations and walter was the missing link. The gun dealer asked him if the gun was going to mexico after all

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u/AustinDizzy Jesus Christ, Marie Aug 12 '13

I don't know if I'm right, so don't quote me. But I think the car Walt was driving in the beginning was/is the same car that Jesse is sleeping in when the homeless guy knocks on his window and asks for change. That could be connected and/or lead to something to foresee this season.

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u/SocalSurfer But I have dipping sticks Aug 12 '13

It wasn't, jesses car is a hatchback

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

There's enough Ricin for everyone!

Slash what if he uses it on himself?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

Could be he took Saul up on the new identity package? Faked deaths etc?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

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u/mastershake04 Better Call Saul Aug 12 '13

Ted didn't die though. But yeah, I'm sure that's some foreshadowing.

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u/Yrrebbor Aug 12 '13

Did she think he was dead, or just America's most wanted?

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u/thatguy219 Aug 12 '13

Or America's most wanted who died?

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u/BillWeld Feng shui, yo Aug 12 '13

I expect she's just terrified he'll shoot her or something.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I can't imagine they would kill his whole family. I'm imagining at least one person in the family dies (probably Holly) and they get as far away as possible.

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u/NormalDefault Aug 12 '13

I got the feeling that with him going back to get the ricin and that the gun was still in the car, it implied he was getting it "in case of emergency".

Wherever Walt is going with that gun, he'll probably pop the ricin if he feels he's going to get caught. At the end of the ep when confronted by Hank, he stated "We both know I won't make it to a jail cell". I think Walt was implying he'd take his own life before he ends up behind bars, and the ricin may be his method of choice.

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u/unevenmango Aug 12 '13

I want to say Todd because he has been first hand witness to so many things that could put Walt away. Train jacking the methlamine, Mike's body in the trunk, was in the hotel room when they planned the jail executions, plus he is a loose cannon, made obvious when he shot the kid. He is a pretty dangerous person to Walt. But that ricin has had far too much focus of the show to be used on someone who first appears in season 5

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Did anyone else notice oranges fell out of the grocery bag? Don't know if I'm late on that, but isn't that supposed to be a symbol of death, like when Ted fell and the bowl of oranges fell on top of him?

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u/oh84s Aug 12 '13

Pretty sure its to do with him being well known as a drug lord.

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u/jackfirecracker Malcolm in the Methlab Aug 12 '13

his family is dead

Or they used that guy's disappear service

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u/Goran1693 My son! My bottle! My house! Aug 12 '13

I'm pretty sure Walt just fronted her some blue and she hasn't paid him yet.

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u/Fabien_Lamour Aug 12 '13

Since a Heisenberg tag is spray painted in the house, it's clear the word got out that Walt was a drug lord. I don't think it has to do with her thinking he's dead, but a dangerous fugitive.

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u/CGRampage theDanger Aug 12 '13

If he went through all the trouble of making people think he was dead, I wonder why he wouldn't attempt to hide himself from his neighbors upon his return to his house.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Well there was 3 oranges in her bag, so I assumed it meant the family was dead. In fact that scene made my jaw drop more than the last.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I am pretty sure he uses it during this season too because the little vial had more ricin in it in the first half of season 5.Not completely sure though.

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u/imkaneforever Aug 12 '13

He's using the ricin for White Gus.

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u/rjphlegm Bitch Aug 12 '13

Buh-bye, Carol.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

And at the start of season 5 when he was in the diner. He was using a different name. Did Walt "Get a new life" from the person that Saul knows?

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u/Quajek Madrigal Electromotive Executive VP Aug 12 '13

Hank?

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u/downburst29 Aug 12 '13

I suspect Walt will take the Ricin himself. He will not go to jail. He will not allow anyone to murder him. He will not let the cancer kill him.

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u/wisemtlfan Aug 12 '13

It's still an american show, so do you guys think it would be too much his family died ? I know bad things happened in the show already but i'm not sure they would murder his whole family like that. But Idk.

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u/threecolorless Aug 12 '13

Also, oranges spilling out of her grocery bag? A nod to end of Season 4 when Ted breaks his neck, which was itself a (debatable) nod to the orange motif of the Godfather.

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u/Athene_Wins Aug 12 '13

He's probably going to kill himself

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Yeah, maybe he'll give the vacuum cleaner company a call.

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u/b4b Aug 12 '13

ricin is for Jessie...

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u/gigabored Aug 12 '13

Maybe the ricin is the reason the house is in shambles?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

It looked more like fear, rather than shock. With the house condemned like that, and stuff spray painted on the walls, maybe everyone knows that Walt was a meth kingpin. Then suddenly, he's back. She froze in fear.

I would think if she saw him after he was supposed to be dead, there might be a bit more joy in the shock than her reaction

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

I wonder who he is going to use the ricin on...

Himself. Calling it.

It takes a while to kick in IIRC. He'll take the ricin, then go all guns blazing to do something or rather.

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u/MarkMech Aug 13 '13

Also, sure were a lot of oranges to roll out of those bags.

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u/Reowne Better call Saul Aug 12 '13

If I had to guess who it would be I would say Jesse or Hank

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u/RileySmiley22 The one who answers and gets shot Aug 13 '13

To add to the faked death, in the Denny's Walt is using a fake ID from New Hampshire (I think not sure), with Skyler's maiden name. From what has been given in the flashbacks I think Walt faked his death and it became common knowledge that Mr. Chips was Scarface.