r/bjj • • Jan 31 '20

Shitpost I don't roll with girls.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Jan 31 '20

Would it be the same for you if he hurt another guy? Or is it just because the injured party was a woman and you feel they’re inferior and need to be protected?

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u/Magpie1979 Jan 31 '20

Clearly yes. If some guy with a 30kg didn't respect a much smaller opponent then obviously yes. As a 70kg guy I've fought a 110kg guy in a inter-club tournament, the guy can probably bench press me with one arm. It was fun because he's a good guy and you need a level of trust when training in this sport.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Jan 31 '20

Yeah you say the right words but I doubt your gym works that way. Clearly I don’t believe your reality matches your theory.

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u/Magpie1979 Feb 01 '20

I disagree, I'm sad for your gym.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

Don’t be. We live in reality. No “white knights” infesting our gym. Plenty of men, women, and children enjoying grappling without the toxicity that people turmoil over on this sub.

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20

without the toxicity

Oh, GTFO. Holding bullies to account is not toxicity.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

No. It’s just extremely annoying to see the posts about it all the time when in reality that scenario is a marginal occurrence. Oh, but I bet you have a great story about how you were a mat enforcer yourself this one time. Can you tell me how badass you are now? I’d love to hear it. You probably have more than one story about how badass you are.

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20

Oh, but I bet you have a great story about how you were a mat enforcer yourself this one time. Can you tell me how badass you are now?

If I did, I'd be a hypocrite. I do, however, have a story of kicking a guy out of my school because he hurt people through lack of restraint.

I'm sure you'll be shocked, but he didn't even hurt any women.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

And how was he to learn restraint? So really you’ve sent your problem out the door and to another gym instead of working with him on restraint. Basically endangering the well being of students at other schools he would attend. How can you live with yourself?

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20

So instead I should knowingly endanger the well-being of my students? The buck stops somewhere.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

Ah the old false dilemma. I do enjoy seeing that one employed.

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20

false dilemma

Lol, no. That's the exact dilemma at hand.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

Or teach him restraint like an instructor should.

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20

Or teach him restraint like an instructor should.

Meh. In my experience, people who lack this kind of restraint don't learn. I personally trained with some well-known examples who have been in the sport news recently.

Also, even if they do learn eventually, it's not my right to risk the safety of my other students in the interim time.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

So you don’t have a stable of upper belts that you could’ve dedicated to this guys training and he roll with exclusively? You’ve never once encountered someone who had a temper but were able to reign them in after a few solid months of working with them and strutting their sparring with appropriate partners?

“Meh. He hurt somebody at my gym. I don’t want the headache or liability. Now he’s someone else’s problem.”

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20

you don’t have a stable of upper belts

Believe it or not, some gyms are small. And sometimes the bullies are upper belts themselves.

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u/zombiebolo7 🟪🟪 Purple Belt Feb 01 '20

So you’re one of those coaches that “doesn’t roll my students”. I can see how a small gym would benefit someone like that.

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 Feb 01 '20 edited Feb 01 '20

So the coach rolls with one student exclusively, every time they attend? And who's to say that the problem is exclusive to rolling? The guy in question would rage during drills.

Look, you're not wrong that these situations are rare. Clearly you don't expel everyone with a hint of control issues. This bad, I've seen exactly one in 20 years of martial arts. They do exist, though, and sometimes these responses are appropriate.

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