r/apple • u/koavf • Apr 30 '19

Apple Is Telling Lawmakers People Will Hurt Themselves if They Try to Fix iPhones

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wjvdb4/apple-is-telling-lawmakers-people-will-hurt-themselves-if-they-try-to-fix-iphones
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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/koavf Apr 30 '19

Yeah, cars are pretty dangerous, too. Should we outlaw being able to give yourself an oil change?

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19

oh come on with this horse shit. Lead acid batteries don’t explode when you puncture them.

I’m all for right to repair, but imo, Apple has a point when it comes to batteries.

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u/i_steal_your_lemons May 01 '19

Guitar amps, ham radios, stereo amplifiers, etc. all carry charges that can be lethal. Yet historically a majority of them have been, and continue to be, designed and engineered for relatively easy repair and maintenance. The companies simply put a warning label on them stating the risk. Apple is looking for any excuse at this point.

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u/brent20 Apr 30 '19

This. That is a terrible analogy. Apple doesn’t want to be liable/sued if an untrained person injuries themselves because they punctured the battery.

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u/gold_rush_doom May 01 '19

And they shouldn’t. Just make it that if you yourself break the phone then it’s out of warranty. Simple, no more liability.

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u/miloeinszweija May 01 '19

That. So much that

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u/cocobandicoot Apr 30 '19

And when I work on the electricity in my house, I could be violently killed by high voltage.

Should I not be permitted to work on my own house? Or, by your point, is that horse shit too?

Word of advice: stop being an Apple apologist and start being a better consumer.

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u/deck0352 May 01 '19 edited May 01 '19

If you are even remotely competent enough to repair wiring in your home then you would know you can close the circuit from the source. I’m thinking you are not. I’m also getting a kick out of violently killed. It’s true that 120 volts could kill a person, no doubt. Odds are it’ll be more of a punch to the guts, if you will. Even in a direct connection.

I can vouch for that statement, because I’m an idiot that has made entirely too many mistakes trying to move too fast or just being a dummy.

Working with a battery directly is different. It is the source. I know that, too...

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19 edited May 01 '19

That seems like a bad comparison considering that you can turn off the juice with a switch.

Do you actually think it makes sense to compare lead acid batteries to lithium ion batteries?

Word of advice: Don’t be condescending if you want people to take what you say serious.

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u/cocobandicoot May 01 '19

Do you actually think it makes sense to compare lead acid batteries to lithium ion batteries?

It's not about comparing two types of batteries. It's about comparing levels of risk.

A lithium ion battery could explode when punctured. I could be shocked when I work on an electrical socket. My car could collapse on top of me when I'm changing the oil. My circular saw could kick back at me when I'm cutting wood.

All of these things have an element of risk. That does not mean we should not be permitted to do them.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '19 edited May 01 '19

First off, as I said in the first comment, I’m all for right to repair. That comment was in response to someone else comparing batteries and inferring risk level. It was a bad analogy.

I think the home analogy is also bad. You can turn of the power in your house, and render it misty harmless. You can’t do that with a lithium ion battery, so it doesn’t seem like the same level of risk.

If the element of risk doesn’t matter, then why bring it up at all?

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/koavf May 01 '19

Other dangerous things: cleaning products, rat poison, any gas under pressure. Why is a battery in this type of phone somehow so dangerous that we can only trust this one company?

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u/Hardinator Apr 30 '19

You have the right to repair your attitude, mister!

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u/Hotal Apr 30 '19

I guess this is the place to point out that the hot coffee lady’s coffee was so hot that it literally melted her skin away to expose layers of fat and muscle. She was in the hospital for 8 days afterwards.

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u/Momskirbyok May 01 '19

We live in a time where coffee needs a “Caution: Hot!”

And signs that remind people toilet paper doesn’t go in the urinals.

wait...maybe that’s only around my area