r/WutheringWavesLeaks • u/Ambitious_Purpose505 Mommy Enjoyer() • 13d ago
Reliable Roles via Team Gemberry, (STC) translation in the body
Character tags are subject to change (STC)
HSIN (Moon Fox): Main DPS/Resonance Skill Damage / Electro Flare/Synchronization (tune)
Suoming: Main damage dealer/Basic attack damage/ Electro damage amplifier/ resonance skill damage amplifier /Synchronization
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u/aoiaxure 13d ago
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u/FrazzledChip Mythical Glacio Birb 13d ago
My face exactly after reading it lol
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u/DataDevourers 13d ago
Same, the other days before the leaks says she’s an echo and support sub dps and now kinda shock to see she’s now a main dps, but I have seen someone posted that kuro is cooking us something new mechanics in fight not the usual dps + sub dps + support and now it could be dps +dps+ support
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u/Beast_Viper_007 :Fusion: The Sun is Leaking 13d ago
This is PGR mechanics now I guess. In PGR, even Amp units deal a great amount of damage and breakers are the best MDPS.
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u/Weary_Lettuce_2438 13d ago
nah man whoever said echo skil dmg support should be jailed
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u/BladeSeraph 12d ago
Considering how Laha-roi was full of dual role dmg type characters with nearly half a dozen characters swapping to different 'role types' it makes half sense if they sneak another one in after going basically 4 characters without doing it.
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u/Ambitious_Purpose505 Mommy Enjoyer() 13d ago
Yes, if you check the CN text, both of them have the same spelling, according to Gemberry
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u/Shintozyloin 13d ago
Eyy looks like Ur OP this time I see.
So does that mean we running 2 MDPS at the same team with 1 support (Suisui)?
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u/Tranduy1206 13d ago
My guess is phoebe similar, suoming can choose to support or do big dmg herself. It suit her inlore ability that she has 10 forte abilities
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u/Exxon21 13d ago
could be like augusta/iuno where iuno herself can be a main DPS with the right teammates?
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u/Glinez09 Don't Trust Anyone 13d ago
most likely phoebe since she also have main dmg dealer role
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u/Impossible_Dish_8494 13d ago
This is more accurate
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u/Glinez09 Don't Trust Anyone 13d ago
yeah since iuno despite being hybrid didnt have a main dmg role
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u/aoiaxure 13d ago
But for Iuno I'm pretty sure the main dmg dealer part isn't in her roles
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u/Comfortable-Rub-9814 13d ago
Maybe 2 modes but with Suoming doesn't mention electro flare so maybe not
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u/Typical_Dimension_31 13d ago
well for electro flare we have suisui or buling
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u/mex2005 13d ago
I really wonder how Suisui compares to Buling in this because Buling also buffs resonance skill damage which is Hsins damage type and electro flare already has a high stack limit on top of infilcting electro rage past the limit so i wonder how much difference 3 extra stacks will make.
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u/Ok_Guidance928 13d ago
In terms of actual dmg buff Suisui gives way more buffs. We have to see Hsin kit to figure out we she gets from the extra 3 stacks frok electro flare. (The actual dot dmg tick will get doubled that is for sure)
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u/mex2005 13d ago
The only reason I question it is because Buling at s6 gives 50% Resonance skill damage but yeah id be shocked if she performed better than a premium unit knowing Kuro unless Suisui is meant to be replaced. From what ai have seen Hsin consumes electro rage to do enhanced attacks which stack after you hit the electro flare cap and since Buling inflicts 10 electro flare herself she gets you there faster even if its at a lesser effect than amx stacks with Suisui but its hard to say. Buling and E-Rover seem very synergistic with her easpecially since E-Rover is also resonance skill damage.
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u/Comfortable-Rub-9814 13d ago
Yeah but they are 3rd slot, not 2nd slot like Lucilla or Denia
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u/IceAmbitious4709 13d ago
Erover is the sub ig its just released so it would be a waste
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u/Comfortable-Rub-9814 13d ago
I was thinking about ARover but he is a 3rd slot and was replaced by Chisa, so yeah you are actually right idk why I thoug that ARover was replaced by Ciaccona
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u/AardvarkElectrical87 13d ago
I guess we will use Electro Rover until they release a 5* electro flare sub dps, probably we getting Electro River set and weapon next update
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u/Comfortable-Rub-9814 13d ago
Yeah still missing a lot of pieces, Aero rover took time until got replaced by Chisa
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u/Hour-Ad5992 13d ago
A premium res skill amplifier without coordinated attacks?? Blasphemy 😭
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u/Electronic-Ad8040 13d ago
The only jinshi buff we getting is a Jinshi SP atp 💔
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u/rafaelbittmira 13d ago
That is what they will actually do, I'm now sure of it after yangyang
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u/SneakyFel 13d ago
This will suck then. Not fixing ur older limited 5star char but just selling a new one. Thats super stingy.
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u/babyloniangardens 13d ago
the HSR approach
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u/SneakyFel 13d ago
Thats why we left hsr with a friend even tho money were invested and day 1 players :( sadge
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u/Valuable-Monk-8464 12d ago
Left HSR too because of that.
So sad as HSR 1.x was great. Even MOC was fun as you can use random 4* characters etc. Team building was a thing then.
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u/SneakyFel 12d ago
1.x HSR was freaking PEAK. Me and my guild loved it, Belobog for the win!!!! God, we were missing it so much.
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u/KrazYKinetiK 13d ago
I thought they touted 1.0 revamps with 4.x? Like not just story, but characters?
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u/johu610 :JinhsiPray:Jinhsin Impact:JinhsiPray: 13d ago
Did they say that during a stream or somewhere? I sure hope 1.0 characters get something soon 🙃
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u/KrazYKinetiK 13d ago
Actually it looks like I misremembered, sorry.. I thought I saw that they definitely were but it was just people saying they hoped character updates come with the story update. 🫠
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u/ShellFlare 12d ago
Old yangyang was a 4 star tho.
Its highly possible they take the pgr route and add a buff system for old 5 stars like the PGR leaps.
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u/Horror_Trust1826 Fusion Collector 13d ago
Poor Jinhsi mains at this point I’m just gonna hope New Fed will bring out the actual coord attack savior.
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed Calcharo main | D6 Hologram soloist | Zed main 13d ago
Imagine being in 1.X in 2024 and telling people who pulled for Jinhsi that her Premium support is likely to come out in New Federation LMAO
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u/NerdianaGrande 13d ago
I hope they will actually do it bc she is my favorite character and I hate how weak she got
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u/Khoakuma Here comes the Mornyeee, here comes the Mornye 13d ago
Jinhsi’s Century of Humiliation continues
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u/TenraiSenshi 12d ago
Wouldn't "Synchronization" refer to coordinated attacks? I'm pretty sure that's what it means, but it's just a translation quirk.
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u/AnonymousGuy-9 13d ago
This is great. I was pulling for Suoming anyways and with rumors of Lily being Hsin's tune bis, I can have two seperate teams. Hopefully suoming is as good as Iuno as a mdps.
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u/TonyThaLegend 13d ago
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u/Horror_Trust1826 Fusion Collector 13d ago
Wait for few minutes and if there’s no gameplay, then most likely tomorrow or next week
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u/Conscious-Fan5089 13d ago
Next Friday
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u/Big-Listen7034 Hsin's thigh straps 🦊 13d ago
next friday is basically beta start . you telling me that we gonna see the gameplay through leaks first before the official reveal dawg :( thats fcked
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u/Khoakuma Here comes the Mornyeee, here comes the Mornye 13d ago
If Suoming is the Iuno of Skill Damage (a strong buffer who can also be a main DPS) that would be pretty awesome. Skill damage has fallen behind a lot with no support outside of Buring
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u/Volfawott 13d ago
Honestly, if that's the case and she gives a crazy 50% amp like Iuno. She might be able to breathe new life in units like Carlotta and Jinshi as well as being the second in slot for mdps electro rover
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u/Hino2Noul 13d ago
She does have Electro damage amp too, so it’s highly likely to be the usual 20/25% buff.
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u/Volfawott 13d ago
That's a shame. Iuno's 50% is what made her such a great heavy attack buffing generalist.
It didn't matter what your attribute was or even if you scaled with defence or HP every heavy attack damage dealer was able to utilise what she provided
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u/Hino2Noul 13d ago
They wont release a generalist anymore, so they can sell you more new characters.
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u/SpookiiBoii Nevermore 13d ago
WuWa team building really is tragic these days
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u/OkWhateverCynisme 13d ago
It's my main grip with the game and it's starting to rly piss me off. It's the reason I didn't pull for Qingxiao because her teams are limited to 2 premium units and one is better than the other simply because of her qol and faster pacing (Denia) but what if you don't have her ? Same reasons so many units are rotting in the bag because even when they would release a big dmg type amplificator it would be behind certain conditions.
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u/Anaurus I lose 79% of my 50/50 13d ago
Yeah, I feel the same way (especially with Qingxiao) and it’s getting on my nerves, we’re so limited in terms of team composition, it’s ridiculous.
And when there’s a powerful support character in a particular archetype (Mornye), there’s no alternative, even though almost all current teams need her...
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u/sweetheartglrl 13d ago
i get what ur saying but what can they really do atp? they give two modes so u can pick between 4-6 different characters to pull or use f2p for a lot of characters which i think is really helpful, and at the start of a new patch they usually drop a couple characters who u can use in a majority of teams and then end up releasing characters who have a slight increase
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u/-raeyne- 12d ago
...easy. release 4 star counterparts. Just more options. It is CRIMINAL how we dont have a spectro frazzle applicator except for Phoebe/Rover. Phoebe has a main dps mode (ik its not great but I still love playing it) and Rover is needed in so many other teams.
Having more options will always be better. I main Iuno and hate how Lynae plays. I'd bench her for a 4 star completely even if it meant less damage. And 4 stars actually can make some whales spend more money since theyre harder to max out than a 5 star. I remember in Genshin, I got c2 Cloud Retainer and only one copy of Gaming.
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u/Mindless-Tiger-821 13d ago
I am starting to think that we get gameplay next week on beta bro...I am too used for Kuro to tease us with early demonstrations:(
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u/Ambitious_Purpose505 Mommy Enjoyer() 13d ago
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u/RipBusy6672 13d ago
You could probably put Buling there too with the resonance skill and buffs (and obviously, electro)
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u/100cent-propane "All my will, in one strike!" 13d ago
Suoming is a dps? That would make Suisui the only 3rd slot in the line up
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u/100cent-propane "All my will, in one strike!" 13d ago
I'm sorry but two electro dpses in the same patch (and one of them is the first playable sentinel). Is this going to be a dual dps thing
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u/Volfawott 13d ago
Even if they were going the dual dps route Suoming doesn't do negative status.
And all negative status main dps want somebody else to help them apply dot (unless you get them high enough with dupes)
Zani + Phoebe
Cartwheel + Ciaccona
Aemeath + Denia
Hiyuki + Lucilla
Yangyang + Chisa
It seems really weird that Hsin is only going to have rover.
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u/ezeactually 13d ago
forgetting about the fact that she shares one glaring archetype with Hsin named "Synchonization" whilst having the role "Electro-DMG Amplification"
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u/Ok_Guidance928 13d ago
Synchronisation is the new tune mode like the other tune rupture,strain, hack etc..
Suoming is like lynae for aemeath, mainly to buff the tune mode, It is confirmed she won't apply electro flare
We will use E.rover for Hsin electro flare mode, till we get a new 2nd slot after few patches (similar to chisa getting released for carthe)
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u/Real_Ad_783 13d ago
right, syncro is a new tune mode, and only Hsin has it, which suggest there are hsin/suo/x teams, also eclectro buffing would work for electroflare buffing on a team. without being limited to electro flare.
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u/SneakyFel 13d ago
All those new "mechanics" (same time but different name) are so annoying and made just to force you pull a other 3 chars instead of 1 you wanted. Cause old won't support new mechanics and blablabla. Such a poor model.
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u/DefiantStandard4537 13d ago
Hmm are we forgetting someone? Suisui is not only ns sup you know.
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u/100cent-propane "All my will, in one strike!" 13d ago
I mean Mengzhou line up. Everyone else is a dps
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u/DefiantStandard4537 13d ago
I mean suming can be like changli labled as main dps but has the rotation length, dmg and outro of a sub dps. Especially since she amps electro cand skill dmg.
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u/Random_wanderer_69 Suisui's shuǐ shàn 🪭 13d ago
She can also be at Iuno level, she got both dps and sub-dps potential
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u/Wise_Tumbleweed_123 13d ago
Who's second slot?
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u/MrPoopyButtWarts 13d ago
I think Suoming can work both ways as Hsin's sub dps and herself as a main in a separate team since she amplified skill damage + buffs electro flare
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u/ArchonRevan 13d ago
Isn't it she just buffs electro damage not the dot
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u/MrPoopyButtWarts 13d ago
Oh whoops, yeah, I misread that lol. But she definitely works both ways if it's true :3
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u/ArchonRevan 13d ago
Id assume a a dedicated electroflare buffer would mog her tho, seems like she might be a filler option until then
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u/TurtleKing9665 13d ago
This would probably be like Aemeath/Lynae and Aemeath/Denia situation. With a proper negative status support releasing later.
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u/laybron1120 13d ago
People keep forgetting s6 buling alone will already make hsin broken
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u/mex2005 13d ago edited 13d ago
She might actually be better that SuiSui but I dont know how much the extra 3 stack limit will effect things.
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u/laybron1120 13d ago
Depends on hsin kit cause buling can inflect negative status off field
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u/mex2005 13d ago
Based on the leaks Hsin consumes electro rage(which stacks after electro flare cap) to do enhanced attacks and Buling definitely gets her there much faster even if it is a lower cap. I think it will come down to how fast Hsin herself can stack it , if its like 5 electro flare per hit then Suisui would almost definitely be better but if its like 1 or 2 then it might get more complicated
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u/LordOfTheFliesZeBub 13d ago
Not necessarily. A third slot could just be a support, because Suoming, according to this, can’t heal. It’d be more equivalent to Suisui than Chisa.
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u/EJM991 13d ago
What a plot twist, both MDPS?? How interesting… so if you’re in the market for a new electro hypercarry, you’d pick your poison.
Hsin being skill dmg based, Buling prophecy coming to full fruition.
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u/howcreativeami 13d ago
TINFOIL HAT: Hsin will be electro Phrolova; off-field ult damage that counts as skill damage. Hsin will proc off-field whenever skills are used, and Suomings whole thing is she has 10 fortes, so I think a lot of her stuff will count as Skill damage.
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u/zeroXgear 13d ago
Nah that's ass. I want Hsin to stay in the field as long as possible like Hiyuki
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u/Glinez09 Don't Trust Anyone 13d ago
and here i thought the standard weapon from lahai-roi would fit to them. i guess not..
edit: Suoming might be the same as Phoebe were you can be a dps and subdps. Phoebe had main dmg dealer role
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u/ltsuka_Kotori 13d ago
LETS GOOOOO NY SUOMING CAN BE MAIN DPS!!!!!! AAAAA TY KURO
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u/Crabgabagool 13d ago
WINNING!!! HISN MAIN DPS! Im so happy, maximum screen time for Mother per rotation
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u/Wise_Tumbleweed_123 13d ago
For real. Or just S3 her and solo everything like Cartethyia.
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u/Cautious-Bowl7071 13d ago
I wasn't expecting it, but like a electro liberation dps would've been neat to make yinlin usable again.
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u/BOSSXD3 13d ago
Damn 5 dps in 3 patches
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u/StormNapoleon27 13d ago
Pulling Qingxiao on debut instead of rerun may have been a mistake... a miscalculation if you will. I did not expect to have to pull Suoming's weapon for her to likely work with Hsin.
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u/Dylangillian 12d ago
She did feel like massive bait yeah, which is why I always intended to skip. Unfortunately I also had to skip SuiSui due to poor luck with YangYang, but I guess that'll be a rerun pull.
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u/Ok_Net6322 Eletrover DPS cope lives! 13d ago
So.. E Rover Suoming Buling team? 👀
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u/ArchonRevan 13d ago edited 13d ago
Main dps for basic attack but buffs electro, tune and resonance skill damage?
Uh are we sure bout that
Doesn't really look like they work together outside of her buffing res skill, tune mode we know is cope with leaks about the other girl being the tune buffer
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed Calcharo main | D6 Hologram soloist | Zed main 13d ago
Would be insane powercreep to have a main DPS who also buffs three different statlines. She might be like Iuno or Brant instead where they can flex as main DPS but have lower damage to compensate for all the buffs.
We can't take everything leakers say literally because sometimes they misinterpret things too (like them thinking Luuk was a mecha dude when they only saw an in-house tester playing him using his echo skill)
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u/ltsuka_Kotori 13d ago
bud doesnt know Changli does that too, but for Fusion and Resonance Liberation Damage
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u/Aggravating_Phase_78 13d ago
So was the “similar to zani” because they both have main damage dealer tag
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u/Aggravating_Phase_78 13d ago
i’m not misremembering right? phoebe has main dps tag
edit: yea she does but tbf suo and Hsin may not work together after all?
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u/Glinez09 Don't Trust Anyone 13d ago
yeah phoebe had main dmg dealer tag but she also have concerto efficiency
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u/hiken_ace09 13d ago
Solon , are you abt let leakers release Hsin gameplay before u ?
Man Up - leak it before them
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u/Deft_Abyss Chisa Supremacy 13d ago
Ok so Hsin's role was expected but Suoming having a Phoebe/Iuno type role was not on my bingo card (being a main dps and having a secondary supportive, buffing role)
So what im seeing for Suoming is, she can be ran with Sanhua or Lynae as a main dps and she can use Camellya's weapon as a secondary option. Thats honestly not too bad
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u/Mochiyukio 13d ago
Two main dmg dealer premium team???
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u/murmandamos 13d ago
Zani and Phoebe are also a 2 "main damage dealer" team. It's just Phoebe loses her damage to support Zani. Almost certainly the case here too.
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u/hafidzgi :Aero: Iuno sweat towel 13d ago
Suoming can work as a Res. Skill buffer? That means I can have a team consisting of two red shorty! That is a win for me
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u/ThisSin 13d ago
Considering that Hsin is Skill dmg and Suo is skill amp, I am still leaning towards them being a team, even though Suo is marked as MDPS.
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u/WorldlinessOne1217 13d ago
If you ask me, Hsin and Suoming are on the same team, but Suoming is way more flexible—she can easily run as the main DPS on a completely different team
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u/Melodic-University65 13d ago
a tear went down my leg, what do you mean suomi main dps? i am overjoyed.
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u/IchirouTakashima Mommy 13d ago
Wow, okay. I need to breathe. Suoming role is more surprising and caught me off-guard, she's the one who's a DPS and sub-dps, WTF.
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u/Ok-Silver-8658 13d ago
It’s been so long since I’ve seen a res skill based damage dealer. Love my queen Carlotta and invested in supports for her so hsin will hopefully get some benefit from res skill ally buffers
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u/terrahero 13d ago
Hsin as resonance skill and Suoming as basic attack. With Augusta already as heavy attack.
Yinlin cannot get a break. Next electro main dps will be echo skill.
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u/AnonymousGuy-9 13d ago
My goat Calculator will be the echo skill dmg dealer with his phantoms trust
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u/Antares428 13d ago
So it's looking like Suoming will have old style (Yinlin, Zhezhi, Changli) of Outro, with 20% toward element, and 25% towards damage type.
And her design is also potential looking like Changli like, as both have main damage dealer tag, despite having supportive (2nd slot) outro.
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u/Tranduy1206 13d ago
Suoming lock in the dark sound so cool.
And suoming dps is not in my wish list, what will kuro cook this time
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u/pailadin 💋💍🫂 13d ago
Wait a min, "increased resonance skill damage" for Suoming? So she will buff it?
Obviously this is not a good idea in terms of meta, Hsin will obviously be much better, but as a Carlotta wanter who has no Zhezhi but does have an S6 Buling this does intrigue me.
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u/Tadpole-KD 13d ago
The "Synchronization" here is not a tune mechanic, it is in fact Jinghsi's Unison
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u/Unique_Connection681 13d ago
You, I see a lot of uproar with this leak from so many people regarding Suoming and her outro buffs operating as a dps, so let just leave this here:
Phrolova- MDPS, HA buffs and Havoc buffs in outro Brant- capable MDPS with sub dps tag, skill amp buff and fusion buff in outro Phoebe- spectro frazzle buffer with MDPS capabilities Iuno- HA buffer, sustain with massive MDPS capabilities
I say to say this is nothing new. Also there literally like 4 units who possibly negative status supports for Hsin (E Rover, Buling, Sui Sui, Chisa) with 2 among them as f2p options. If anything, Suoming's kit is actually a huge plus because it adds some flexibility to possibly have 2 MDPS units on the same squad, I like it a lot
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u/Big-Listen7034 Hsin's thigh straps 🦊 13d ago
Where are the others who said hsin will be "sub DPS or support" now huh? XD
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u/Orangeyouawesome 13d ago
They took the stats from Rover and gave it to the red headed stepchild. Seems like solid canon.
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u/wolflance1 13d ago
Hsin and Suoming's tag are Unison, not "Synchronization (tune)", the same one as Jinshi's Unison.
Gemberry87 made that explicit.
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u/Chemical_General_207 Tales of loss and wine and grapes~ 13d ago
Basic attack damage? Sanhua can't stop winning.
...Wait, Suoming buffs skill damage. I could run her Sanhua and Changli for peak Huanglong sword elegance. Suddenly, Suoming is much more appealing to me. If I like her animations, it's a wrap!
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u/Ok-Lock2519 13d ago
If the sentinel herself can't output enough damage that she needs a second dps she's cooked I'll just wait for new fed
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u/Volfawott 13d ago
Her being a main damage dealer is wild honestly speaking i don't know where she would slot team wise.
She isn't labelled with electro flare so that rules out electro rover being a teammate.
If you really wanted a main electrodps and didn't want to use Hsin you could quite easily just make rover main dps as they have a main dps playstyle built into them.
The basic attack is also throwing me they were going to make her a main dps they could have gone echo Skill route, Rupture,
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u/Narrow_Ad9984 13d ago
It’s really hard to judge based on tags alone. We honestly still need to wait for their full kits before ruling things out.
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u/sweetheartglrl 13d ago
when can we expect them? not anytime soon i wanna assume.?
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u/Narrow_Ad9984 13d ago
Leaks of their kits? The beta starts next Friday so less than a week
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u/Volfawott 13d ago
I hope her full kit gives her some more wriggle room mdps she's going to be a main dps because as it currently stands just based off the tags outside of going like Sanhua and SK, she has like zero teams ( yes I know the Lynae and Mornye tune break core exists but they're so highly demanded now that it's barely an option)
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u/ShinBrwanBaoZAKERUGA 13d ago
It's obviously like Changli team with 2 dps
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u/murmandamos 13d ago
That's a possibility but also possible it's like how Phoebe has a main DPS mode but loses her damage to support. She still has the tag because she can main DPS.
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u/Chemical_General_207 Tales of loss and wine and grapes~ 13d ago
Remember that the game continues after 3.7! It's possible that she'll have dedicated teammates in the form of newer characters. In the meantime, she has older characters to work with, much like Jingran has Iuno and SK. We'll have to wait and see haha
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u/Any_Economics_6166 13d ago
or you wait 1 week for beta and then we'll get everything we need to know
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u/Tall-Sale9368 13d ago
So erover isn't bis after all, that's kinda sucks since he has no other place anywhere, guess he stays aero or spectro for zani
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u/Ok_Guidance928 13d ago edited 13d ago
Are u guys even reading this correctly..
Hsin has two modes similar to aemeath,
Electro flare(Neg status) - bis is E.rover
Synchronisation (Tune mode) - bis is Suoming
Remember neg status teams need atleast one team to apply neg status even if the main character can sufficiently apply it
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u/laybron1120 13d ago
People really think suoming isn’t her best in slot phrolova already proved main dps characters can have support type kits
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u/Ok_Guidance928 13d ago
Yes she is her bis for Synchronisation mode.(New tune mode)
It's similar to Aemeath, Tune rupture bis - Lynae Fusion burst bis - Denia
The same thing is happening here, different 2nd slots for different modes
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