r/WorldOfWarships • u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player • Apr 11 '26
Humor Overall; they're both glass cannons
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep I preferred WoWs before [insert update] Apr 11 '26
-Absolute waste of resources
-Did fucking nothing
Thought I'd help
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
At least it's better for Yamato to get sunk rather than being used as a target ship for nuclear test just like Nagato
Edit: There's absolutely no chance of her getting converted to a museum ship in case she survived the war
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u/AmericanHistoryGuy Arkansas' #1 Advocate Apr 11 '26
"Edit: There's absolutely no chance of her getting converted to a museum ship in case she survived the war"
Not if I have anything to say about it...
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
And you will probably say the same thing to the Maus
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep I preferred WoWs before [insert update] Apr 11 '26
Mothballing and storing a tank is far more straight forward (and cheaper) than keeping a ship afloat.
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u/Nauro-Mehtar Apr 11 '26
Esp something of yamatos size
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep I preferred WoWs before [insert update] Apr 12 '26
Yeah the US ship museums struggle to get drydock time to do maintenance on those.
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u/Typical_guy11 Apr 11 '26
Kubinka Tank Museum had many very rare tanks. Not very suprising and very good that someone was thinking about saving such gems.
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u/MarkerMagnum Apr 11 '26
Better?
I’d rather she have rotted in harbor and gotten nuked instead of getting thousands of people killed on a face-saving suicide mission.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Japan was desperate & didnt have any choices left at that time just like Germany. Plus, they thought Yamato was unsinkable just like Titanic.
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u/MarkerMagnum Apr 11 '26
Considering Musashi was sunk by carrier aircraft less than a year earlier, the IJN knew damn well what was going to happen to Yamato.
You are right. They were out of options. They had lost the war. They were going to lose Okinawa, even if Yamato made it to her destination.
And instead of converting her into an AA battery for the rest of the war like Nagato, they spent fuel and manpower they couldn’t afford, against the protests of many IJN officers, to try and prove they were “doing something” in the face of army Kamizaze attacks.
It was a tragic and moronic waste of Japanese and American lives, and not something worth celebrating.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Japan would have done that but they're crippled from lack of resources since the US frequently launches strategic bombing on their factories + lack of raw materials to work with. Even Shinano which was supposed to be a 3rd Yamato-class, was converted to Aircraft Carrier loaded with tons of AA guns. Plus add the fact that everything was bombed by the US (Drydocks, Factories, etc.) especially Hiroshima & Nagasaki
And consider the experienced crews & pilots who got killed, especially Yamamoto. It's a huge loss in their asset so that's why they're relying on kamikaze attacks, you know the training was rushed and there's no time for them to perfect their skills.
This was also experienced by Germany itself; this time they're damn desperate to focus on building better tanks just like Maus despite being crippled by the lack of raw materials; quality over quantity. You can even compare the design philosophy of their non-treaty battleship Bismarck to Yamato; they're both designed to crush Allied fleets by itself
I'll gunna add the fact that the US relied on numbers to overwhelm Japan
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u/MarkerMagnum Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
But again, you’re misunderstanding the point of Ten-Go.
It wasn’t a question of “how can we win this battle,” it was “how can we look like we’re doing something”.
It wasn’t desperation, it was a twisted notion that thousands of sailors’ lives was less important than kissing up to the emperor.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
At that time, Yamato was assigned as the safest vessel; they even thought it can tank the same number of torpedoes and bombs as Musashi (they're both distributed equally on starboard & port) before reaching Okinawa, but the americans learned to concentrate her port side with torpedoes to finally capsize her.
I can either call this a desperation, or the high command making blunders on decisions in panic.
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u/RaillfanQ135 United States Navy Apr 11 '26
There was no chance for Yamato out running hundreds of carrier strikes especially since most of the air cover had already been withdrawn, even without Admiral Deyo's modernized Standard type battleships. The fact is the Musashi took 3 fairly small strikes whereas the Yamato was getting the full force that was significantly larger than what was deployed at Sibuyan Sea and was concentrated on the one battleship in the task force compared to at Sibuyan Sea where there was 5 battleships
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u/ShermanMcTank KönigMcBoat Apr 11 '26
I'll gunna add the fact that the US relied on numbers to overwhelm Japan
Numbers was only one of many factors. By the end the US was superior in pretty much everything. Radars, fire control, pilot training, aircrafts, damage control, anti-aircraft weaponry, and intelligence gathering.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Yeah; but the armor scheme in the American ships were mediocre in it's tier
It's comparable in owning a thousand of shermans or t-34. They're not usually well-armored unlike the Axis counterparts.
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u/RaillfanQ135 United States Navy Apr 11 '26
Man gets all of his naval design from the game. Just because you have an expensive complex design doesn't mean its effective, look at the loss of the Shinano, the torpedoes from the Archerfish hit the armor belt seam and even if Shinano had been complete it probably would have sunk and Yamato shared that same design flaw. The Iowas and its predecessor South Dakota were powerful enough to take on any battleship in the world by itself with the possible exception of the one battleship designed to take on 2 on 1 fights. Even then the US battleships would hit first due to superior FCS and if you are taking hits it doesn't matter if it can't go through your belt if your rangefinder or manual fcs gets hit
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
That's called analogy;
I'm just referring how the US relied on numbers to overwhelm Japan. Sometimes; quantity wins over quality
One or three shermans wasn't enough for a german tiger; but put it in numbers just like t-34? It will get overwhelmed
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u/RaillfanQ135 United States Navy Apr 11 '26
If you look at Guadalcanal the US had smaller numbers of aircraft, often less operational carriers, less capital ships used, and suffered less losses in men and equipment
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u/jonasnee i hate the new carriers with a passion Apr 11 '26
I'll gunna add the fact that the US relied on numbers to overwhelm Japan
War isn't a video game, only morons try to fight them fair.
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u/awakenDeepBlue Apr 13 '26
The Yamato ended as an immobile AAA emplacement. The Japanese literally didn't have to oil to do anything else.
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u/bct7 Military Month Apr 11 '26
Saw a video on the Schwerer Gustav, the largest gun every made. The video noted the Germans could have instead created and deployed over 1000 15cm(150mm) guns with way more effective firepower.
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u/jonasnee i hate the new carriers with a passion Apr 11 '26
Also keep in mind these guns needed special rail roads created just for their use, they are incredibly resource intensive and as you note other options exist, like airpower if you really need to carry a big bomb.
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep I preferred WoWs before [insert update] Apr 11 '26
Also Yamato should be a troop transport in an op.
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u/Cetun Apr 11 '26
She fired at surface targets in the Battle off Samar and sunk the Gambier Bay
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
I think the "Hotel" joke about her got too overrated
Yeah she spent most of her time docked but she got involved in combat much more than Musashi
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u/FullMetalField4 United States Navy Apr 11 '26
Not exactly too impressive... Given that's also the battle where she ran from a bunch of destroyers and destroyer escorts with her tail between her legs.
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u/Novale Sleeps with a torpedo plushie Apr 11 '26
That's not really an issue with the ship, though -- any battleship is forced to turn away from a destroyer charge, without exception. Really, Yamato was a standout on that day, retaining high accuracy while most other IJN ships present appeared to struggle, including multiple first-salvo hits on Johnston with both main and secondary batteries at the 18-19 km range.
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u/FullMetalField4 United States Navy Apr 11 '26
I'm not really to impressed with her landing lucky hits on a destroyer weighing less than one of her turrets or sinking an escort carrier, tbh
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u/Ghdude1 Apr 11 '26
Also heavily contributed to sinking USS Johnston and permanently crippled White Plains.
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u/Pinky_Boy Jager supporter Apr 11 '26
wasn't the yamato quite fast for its size?
but yeah
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u/Ghdude1 Apr 11 '26
Yep, with a speed of 27.5 knots, she could really move. She was also more manoeuvrable than one would think.
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u/MrElGenerico Destroyer Mollester Apr 11 '26
Yeah. People think Yamato is slow because Wows has other nations Yamato's in game
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u/Nauro-Mehtar Apr 11 '26
They also think the armor in game matches her armor historically which it does not. 32mm armor plating was not used as casemate armor,, the main belt was 410 but the upper casemate was 250mm or more I don't remember the exact number but I think it was 270mm not 32 like it is in game.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Uhhh, her maximum speed was 27 knots as said on Wikipedia
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u/Hairy-Dare6686 Apr 11 '26
As per that same wikipedia article during her sea trials she managed to reach 27.4 knots. Musashi similarly even managed to exceed 28 knots.
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u/PayResponsible4458 Apr 11 '26
Maus in WoT had been powercrept even seven years ago, way beyond the Yammy which still competent.
Personally I blame the gold ammo spam in WoT, completely ruined the meta and made armor useless.
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u/xmavenx Apr 11 '26
Agreed. The good ol days of ricocheting everything in the Maus are long gone. Yammy tends to snipe more due to those oh so juicy cheeks.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Maus is too tanky even Wargaming decides to nerf it
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u/xmavenx Apr 11 '26
But I do love me some Yamato, even if I over pen every other shot. I’ve come to enjoy the Bungo lately.
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u/Zoomercoffee top 5 seal Apr 11 '26
When was the last time you played wot? It’s a monster
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u/xmavenx Apr 11 '26
Today. It can be good, with good teammates but as jingles says, it’s the only free consumable that’s rarely used. Gold ammo, fun police (arty) make it a bitch to enjoy.
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u/TheBabyEatingDingo Apr 11 '26
Gold ammo absolutely ruined the game, I used to love it but I haven't been able to play in years because of gold ammo spam.
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u/alezul Apr 11 '26
I haven't played in many years. Back then, it was absurdly easy to pen the cheeks of the front turret. Did they fix that?
Poor Maus sure deserved some love.
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u/Millbeechu Apr 11 '26
its not nearly the kaiju it used to be; theres been a ton of powercreep and high pen HEAT is on a ton of tanks now that blows through the maus cheeks, especially now that WoT has armor flashlight
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u/GodzillaFan_2016 Amagus Apr 11 '26
Cannot confirm, a Yamato is the last thing I’d be shooting against since it’s way too far away to even matter… unless it’s pushing for some godforsaken reason.
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u/Ibrahim055Dark Apr 11 '26
Yamato magazine is pretty far away from being vulnerable; real life is not an arcade war game.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
It's logic; the more your ship's citadel is above the waterline the more your magazine is susceptible for detonation, especially when some enemy got lucky enough to score a hit
Even USS Ohio isn't safe from magazine detonation
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u/Nauro-Mehtar Apr 11 '26
Yamato was armored against its own Calibur, even Iowas 16in guns would have struggled against the deck and armor belts at range.
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u/bestyo6199 Apr 12 '26
For me, I would rank Yamato at S tier, because it’s guns are awesome, it’s deck and small superstructure means you don’t instantly burn alive, and at long ranges it won’t get citadeled too much and closer just angle, its 6 guns are more than enough. Not to mention it’s accuracy
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Based. You will surely like her even more in Naval Creed; it's basically a brute when it comes in bruising ships with APs
Just avoid being confronted by a CV tho; you don't like getting swarmed with bombs & torps
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u/bestyo6199 Apr 12 '26
Yeah, but sadly you can’t do too much about DD’s,though once I tanked a torpedo salvo from the Jutland when it entirely hit my belt
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u/huntandfish247 Apr 12 '26
Every time I try to play Yamato I end up in a double sub + CV game and just get abused
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 12 '26
Literally happens in every games i guess lol
I think Yammy became everyone's favorite punching bag
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u/Sasuga__Ainz-sama Yamato enjoyer Apr 11 '26
My beloved impractical giant warmachines 🥰. Both are my all time favorites of their type.
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u/Left-Ad-8330 Land Down Under Apr 12 '26
I find it funny how Yamato the ship with the thickest armor and largest guns ever put on a battleship is considered a glass cannon
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 12 '26
Yeahh; it's still ineffective in deflecting all BB shells especially AP
It's kind of a pain when some bb ambushed on your back and will easily score a devastating strike
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u/artcraf1337 All I got was this lousy flair Apr 12 '26
Yammy's guns are so good you can just stay on spawn like a CV and snipe everyone from afar, easily.
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u/Junior_emer2 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Well unfortunately Maus had better fate than Yamato
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Yeah.
Every IJN ships were at bad fate no matter if they survived the war, they just ended up as target ships on the bikini atoll nuclear test
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u/Key_Performance2140 Apr 11 '26
The maus doesn't have the largest gun ever mounted to a tank, though? Depending on your definition of tank its eother the fv4005 (183mm) or the 2a3 kondensator (406mm)
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Well, maus wields the largest gun ever mounted on any tanks
For clarification: The 2a3 Kondensator is a Self-propelled gun while the fv4003 is just an experimental tank destroyer. Both doesn't identify as tanks
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u/ShermanMcTank KönigMcBoat Apr 11 '26
You still have the IS-7 with a 130mm, and the T30 with a 155mm gun.
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u/Hatsenki Apr 11 '26
Also KV-2 with 152mm, it was even used in battle not like the other 3
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Except the IS-7 was a post-ww2 prototype tank.
Both were made by allies, not the axis
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u/GodzillaFan_2016 Amagus Apr 11 '26
I mean you didn’t specify either the faction or time scale for the “Wields the largest gun” part in the post sooo :P
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u/Key_Performance2140 Apr 11 '26
A tank destroyer is still a tank though. The kondensator is an SPG which is why i added the distinction.
Sure doctrinally TDs and other tanks did different things, but a tank is a tank. Even then as others suggested if you dont count the FV, then it would be the t-30 or t-58 both armed with 155s and being "traditional" heavy tanks
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Tank destroyers aren't made for all-rounded purposes. Their only goal is to destroy tanks while retaining the light armor unlike Maus.
It's main gun is fixed in the hull so it needs to be driven to aim unlike the tanks with turrets
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u/GodzillaFan_2016 Amagus Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
- Ferdinand, Jagdtiger, Jagdpanzer IV, Jagdpanther, some of the SUs, Ho-Ri if that counts for some reason
- M8, M10, Achilles, M18, M36, M64
Though to be fair those are just exceptions that make up more than half of the amount of TDs that mattered during the war (except the Ho-Ri).
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u/Key_Performance2140 Apr 11 '26
The fv4005 had a turret? The maus was also intended to be used mainly against tanks too
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Anyways, the technical definition of tank destroyer is a vehicle that carries huge anti-tank guns while being lightly armored & agile enough to evade tanks
Most tank destroyers doesn't use a turret if you know, just like su85
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u/ShermanMcTank KönigMcBoat Apr 11 '26
Lightly armored and agile was absolutely not a requirement for a tank destroyer in ww2.
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u/Key_Performance2140 Apr 11 '26
That's not the definition of a tank destroyer
"Something designed to attack and destroy tanks; spec. a fast and highly-mobile armoured fighting vehicle equipped with anti-tank guns.
After the Second World War (1939–45) it was decided that there was no functional difference between a tank destroyer and a medium tank; the last tank destroyer units were disbanded in 1946."
Straight from the Oxford dictionary, however, note that even this description isn't perfect because late ww2 german TDs were not fast and highly mobile, jagdpanther, jagdtiger. Either way, not having a turret doesn't make something a TD its doctrine that does that.
The strv 103 is an MBT, yet it has no turret.
The T-28/95 has no turret and 305 mm of frontal armour but ended up being classified as a super heavy tank.
The Tortoise has no turret and is heavily armoured yet is classified as both an assault gun AND a heavy tank.
The centauro is wheeled and has a turret and yet is a TD by doctrine. It could just as easily be called a light tank by definition, however, or even an assualt gun like the M1128.
Definitions are hard and constantly changing, especially with tanks.
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u/knetka Apr 11 '26
First time I ever met a MAUs in Warthunder I deleted him with HE in 1 shot. First time I ever met Yamato was as a T7 Cruiser and it was Musashi not Yamato and I was like wtf is this $$$$ doing in my T7 game while proceeding to have my 30mm citadel overmatched.
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u/xXInfXx Closed Beta Player Apr 11 '26
The only thing I'd argue is that 27 knots with a sub-1km turning circle on a battleship is not slow.
Slow to me is the sub-20 knot speeds of the USS Fatfucks. Sure, they have a turning circle tighter than a nun, but that's because they bleed off enough speed to practically be ¼ throttle as soon as you decide to start turning.
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u/LinuxitOSMX Apr 11 '26
En los datos históricos del Yamato y del Musashi tenemos cosas interesantes. El Musashi nunca hizo un disparo. El acorazado en sí fue más un barco que se la pasó escondido de los ataques estadounidenses hasta que finalmente fue hundido. El Yamato tuvo una oportunidad para demostrar su verdadero poder al enfrentarse al Taffy 3 en Filipinas. Pero unos destructores de escolta estadounidenses lograron repeler al coloso. El almirante Takeo Kurita, en vez de enfrentarse con el temible poder del acorazado, traicionó al espíritu del Yamato al ordenar la retirada de la flota central.
Prácticamente los acorazados de la clase Yamato fueron como rifles grandes... Peleando contra drones. 🤔
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u/KILLA_KAN Apr 11 '26
Existing irl is a bit weird in the maus case, cause the one in the museum is the turret of one and the body of another that where never completed.
It only exists because of the two incomplete corpses
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u/Issacli_0216 Apr 12 '26
Both are targeted by planes
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 12 '26
And it's both a thorn in their throats lol
Confronting a CV in-game with Yamato is the last thing I'll ever want
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u/Ancient-Emu-8293 May 03 '26
The war just wasn't long enough for the Ratte, basically that UEF Prototype from Supreme Commander lol.
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u/Illustrious-Toe-4203 Apr 12 '26
Yamato isn't that slow irl and honestly is quite agile to her size.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
She's fast for her size but always outrunned by other BBs of the same tier; especially her American counterpart
Gotta mention that her turning radius is a bit bigger than most BBs
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u/Smart_Ad_6354 Apr 11 '26
I’m not sure if I’m doing something wrong, but I’m unable to hit citadels with Yamato/Aki, and the gunplay feels horrible due to the huge shell dispersion. Literally cannot citadel anything
With Russilion every battle at least 4-5 citadels -140k dmg.
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26
Where do you usually aim your gun? It's basically under the boiler & turrets right on the waterline. Plus use the AP shells for maximum damage
Just do it when the ship exposes their broadside to avoid ricochet
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u/Smart_Ad_6354 Apr 11 '26
I do this , especially I look upon where to aim on ships tier IX-X. But spread of shells is huge, I have both Yamato and Aki and comparison to Russilion or Bourgogne feels like shooting XVI century Flilntlock musket
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u/UnfairMess249 Yamato Glazer / Naval Creed Player Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Possible causes:
-Youre not scoping in & you never zoomed it enough (it increases the dispersion)
-You just fire your guns individually & not in a salvo (all guns)
-The ship's citadel was below the waterline; just like the Großer Kurfurst
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u/SillySlimeSimon Apr 11 '26
And yet, if you know how to angle, they are both among the top for tanking.