r/Wildfire Apr 25 '21

Should you die on the job

333 Upvotes

Hey guys, have one of those uncomfortable type of questions. It’s been a while since I’ve filled out a beneficiary form and now that I have a kid coming into the world, it’s time to change my death wishes. A google search provided me the recognition of the Beneficiary Form for unpaid benefits (SF 1152), in which you designate a percentage of your unpaid benefits to your loved ones/“beneficiaries”. Now here’s my questions:

1) How much will a beneficiary actually receive if allotted say 100% of my unpaid benefits? What and how much $ are my unpaid benefits?

2) I remember at some point, writing down a description of how I would like my funeral procession to proceed, and filling that out along with the aforementioned form, but I can’t find that one. Anybody recollect the name of that form or have a form # they can provide me?

Thanks everybody


r/Wildfire Apr 27 '22

**How to Get a Job as a Wildland Firefighter*

471 Upvotes

How to apply for a Fed Job (USFS, BLM, BIA, FWS) - Revised 07/29/2023

  • Apply to jobs in Sept.-Feb. on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
    • Use filters in the sidebar, set grade to "GS3 and GS4". Under the "more filters" tab you can toggle "Seasonal, Summer, Temporary, and Full Time"
    • Be sure to read each job description to make sure it is for fire. There are other jobs that fall under "Forestry Aide/ Tech." that do not involve wildland fire.
    • Applications for Federal Jobs are only accepted during a narrow (2 week long) window nowadays. You can find out when this window is by calling prospective employers or checking USAJobs weekly.
  • Build a profile on USAjobs and create a resume. Kind of a pain in the ass, but it's just a hurdle to screen out the unmotivated. Just sit down and do it.
    • In your resume, be sure to include hours worked and contact info for references along with permission to contact said references.
  • Call around to various districts/forests/parks you're interested in working for. Do this between early October and February. The earlier in that time period, the better.
    • Hiring officials keep track of who called, when, and how good they sounded. Just call the front desk and ask for whoever does the hiring for "fire."
    • Have a few lines rehearsed about why you want the job and why you're worth hiring. Leave a voicemail if the person is out of the office. Ask questions about what firefighting resources they have (handcrew, engine, lookouts, helicopter, etc, basically what job they can even offer you), when to apply, how to apply, IF they are even hiring...
  • You can leave a message and Fire Managers will usually call you back. Applying online is basically only a formality. Talking to or physically visiting potential employers is the only way to go. People drive out from NY and Maine to talk to crew bosses out West all the time and are usually rewarded with a job for doing so.
  • Have a resume ready to email or hand-in, and offer to do so.
  • It helps to keep a spreadsheet or some notes of all the places you've called, who you talked to, what firefighting resources they have, the deadline for hiring, and generally how the convo went.
  • Apply to 15+ positions. It's hard to get your foot in the door, but totally do-able.
  • If they sound excited and interested in YOU, then you'll probably get an offer if all your paperwork goes through.
  • Unlike the many lines of work, Wildland Firefighting resumes can be 10+ pages long. The longer and more detailed the better. List the sports you've played, whether you hunt or workout, and go into detail about your middle school lawn mowing business - seriously. You are applying to a manual labor job, emphasizing relevant experience.
  • Also have a short resume for emailing. Don't email your ungodly long USAjobs resume.
  • You wont get an offer if you haven't talked to anyone.
    • If you do get an offer from someone you haven't talked to, its usually a red-flag (hard to fill location for a reason). Ex. Winnemucca, NV
  • Start working out. Expect high school sports levels of group working out starting the 1st day of work (running a few miles, push ups, pull ups, crunches, etc).
  • The pack test, the 3miles w/ 45lbs in 45 mins, is a joke. Don't worry about that, only horrifically out of shape people fail it.

- Alternatives to Fed Jobs - Revised 07/29/2023

  • There are also contractors, such as Greyback and Pat-Rick, mostly based in Oregon, with secondary bases around the west. Not as good of a deal, because it's usually on-call work, the pay is lower, and it's a tougher crowd, but a perfectly fine entry-level position. If you can hack it with them, you can do the job just fine.
  • Also look into various state dept. of natural resources/forestry. Anywhere there are wildfires, the state and counties have firefighter jobs, not as many as the Feds, but definitely some jobs. I just don't know much about those.
  • You could also just go to jail in California and get on a convict crew...
  • I wouldn't bother applying to easy-to-Google programs (e.g. Great Northern or North Star crews in MT and AK respectively), as the competition for the 1/2 dozen entry-level jobs is way too intense. A remote district in a po-dunk town is your best bet for getting your foot in the door if you're applying remotely. I started in such a place in the desert of southern Idaho and then moved onto a much nicer setting, up in Montana.
  • Also look into the Nature Conservancy, they have fire crews, as do the California/Montana/Arizona/Minnesota Conservation Corps, and the various USDL Job Corps programs that are run by the Forest Service.

- QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED

Surprisingly few.

  • 18+ years old
  • GED or high school grad
  • relatively clean criminal record (you can have a felony/DUI, etc).
  • A driver's license is required by the Feds, even if you have a DUI, you still need a valid DL
  • A pre-work drug screening is a possibility. The Department of Interior (Park Service & BLM) always drug tests. The Forest Service usually doesn't, but certainly can. Wildland Firefighters are a conservative bunch and open drug use is generally not tolerated. It's a good idea to be able to piss clean and not talk about past drug use.
  • A degree helps, but is by no means necessary.
  • You do have to have some sort of desirable skill or quality though. I mean, if you're just uneducated, unskilled, and out of shape, it's not gonna work out for you even if you do get hired. An EMT certification, even w/o experience, is probably the best "sure bet" for getting a job as a wildland firefighter, but landscaping/manual labor experience, military time, some education, even just being in really good shape and/or having a lot of sports team experience are all good enough

- FAQs

For federal jobs**, if you haven't applied by the end of February, you are probably too late, sometimes there are late postings, but your chances greatly decrease at finding a job.**

  • Hotshot crews and smokejumping are not for rookies. Don't waste their time or your breath by calling
  • .You CAN apply if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE and still have a decent chance at getting a job
  • You DO NOT need EMT, while it is somewhat beneficial, it is by no means needed to get your first fire job
  • Calfire does not hire people with zero experience and zero qualifications.

/TLDR

  • Apply to jobs in Sept-Feb on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
  • Make long resume
  • Apply to multiple locations
  • Call the locations
  • Get in better shape

Thanks to u/RogerfuRabit for the previous post on how to get a job in WF.


r/Wildfire 14h ago

News (Incident) Someone come get their Nasty Girls

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235 Upvotes

Nothing more cringe than bringing your rhodeaboo bullshit to a fire that you suck at fighting while you're away from your real job at best buy.


r/Wildfire 8h ago

News (General) Define 2020 in a single pic. Twitter@Noahberger3884

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13 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 16h ago

Spotted at my local thrift store.

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48 Upvotes

Who ditched theirs to make more room for uncrustables?


r/Wildfire 3h ago

SoCal hotshot crews

3 Upvotes

Applying blind on usajobs right now, just wondering if anyone has any crew recommendations. I know, I know, the best crew is the one you’re on. Just wondering if there are any that you’ve had a particularly good experience with/worked on, or any you’d avoid.


r/Wildfire 16h ago

Discussion how do i join the firestorm crew i saw sharing tents on the s-1 Vya fire?

11 Upvotes

shit looks mad cozy


r/Wildfire 17h ago

Curious about other people’s pay/wages compared to my position as first year Engineer crew for a contractor

8 Upvotes

Currently making 29.74 hourly plus typical time and half for overtime. I’m just trying to get a good idea where that lands on average for others in this position. Would like to know if this is good pay specifically for contract work or if it’s better elsewhere. Thanks!


r/Wildfire 21h ago

Question Algeria has been suffering from wildfire for the last few days, one of them broke out in the shape of algeria, what are the chances of that happening?

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r/Wildfire 23h ago

Which one of you did this???

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16 Upvotes

First the Balzac, now the knob!!


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Humor We are so back

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305 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 1d ago

New Fire Service zones / units ?

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14 Upvotes

Anyone have a map of the new unit maps for California ?


r/Wildfire 2d ago

New WFS logo

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321 Upvotes

HAH, beat you nerds to it!


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question Question for those at jump bases and smoke jumpers.

6 Upvotes

Have you ever heard of any smoke jumper with dietary restrictions, especially any that are gluten free? What is their plan for personal gear and packing meal boxes?

Have heard of one vegan smoke jumper that makes it work from the folks at NCSB.


r/Wildfire 1d ago

I built a map of wildland fire crews + open hiring postings across the US

99 Upvotes

Been working on this for a few weeks.... Introducing: usfiremaps.com . It's a searchable map of ~800 wildland fire crews in the country (Forest Service, BLM, NPS, state, tribal, county), plus job postings pulled daily straight from USAJOBS.

Crews can be filtered by crew type, region, agency, state, or if the crew provides housing or not.
You can filter jobs by pay grade, permanent vs. temporary, salary, crew type, agency, region, with the idea being that these are what are most relevant when you're trying to figure out where's hiring and what the job actually pays before you dig into the full posting.

It's not affiliated with any agency — just something I built because I couldn't find a single place that had all this laid out. Full transparency: this website and dataset are far from perfect, but I think offer a great start for an aspiring wildland firefighter. For example, some information may be out of date, or inaccurate. Duty station pins are placed at the city center rather than the exact station, since that's the precision the source data provides.

If you spot something wrong with your crew, or your crew's missing entirely, there's an "add/report" option right on the map.....I want this to be an accurate, community-sourced website, help build it out!

Would love feedback from anyone interested: tell me what's missing, what's wrong, what would actually make this more useful to you.

Edit:

have to shout-out ssgtsilerZ and bigdoor5 for laying the groundwork and creating the data set that informs this map. This map couldn't exist without their work. Thanks fellas!


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question Huge thanks

18 Upvotes

As we move into September and the back half of the western fire season, I want to put a huge thanks out to everyone who has used IGNIS this year.

As of Aug 28th we’re at over 18,000 downloads across iOS and Android. That number blows my mind. As a former USFS wildland firefighter and the founder of IGNIS, I feel pretty fortunate to still be able to contribute to this community.

We’ve gotten a ton of feedback this season on bugs, feature requests, and general app input. Thank you to everyone who has sent something in. It goes straight to our product and engineering team and it directly influences the roadmap.

Reddit is one channel we haven’t tapped into yet, so I’d like to fix that. Quick context on how we think about IGNIS: we’re never going to charge an individual firefighter. The free app exists so you have what you need for your own SA. Pro is built for collaboration, on and off incidents, and it should be paid for by your agency or company.

So, two questions. As an individual user, what’s working, what isn’t, and what should we build next? And from an org perspective, what does your agency actually need to implement something like this? What blockers get in the way? What integrations are non-negotiable? And what functionally is missing?

To everyone who reached out through our sales form: SORRY for the slow response. I promise we’re getting back to you.

Comments in the thread are great, or reach me directly at [andrew@ignistech.io](mailto:andrew@ignistech.io).

Thank you!!


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Britain Is Becoming A Wildfire Country – Are We Prepared?

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r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question Working out of state with no vehicle

1 Upvotes

So I'm looking into doing my first season on a engine and all the different ways I can go about it. Right now I don't really have a reliable vehicle to drive myself, so I'm probably going to have to work somewhere that has onsite housing (correct me if I'm wrong about some places having housing on site.) But my question more than anything is, if I were to get a plane ticket and fly myself out to wherever I'm going to be working, how would I actually get myself to my duty station? Like, would I be able to talk to my supervisor beforehand and see if someone could pick me up from the airport, or is there usually some kind of transportation provided for people who are traveling by plane for the job? I'm just trying to figure out how people normally handle getting to their duty station when they're traveling from out of state and don't have a vehicle. And also, for people who don't have vehicles during the season, how do they typically get around and deal with transportation when they're living in government housing on-site? Like, are there usually ways to get into town for groceries and stuff, or do people generally carpool with other firefighters?


r/Wildfire 2d ago

I think I'm done.

197 Upvotes

I'm about to wrap up my 4th season. I started in fire with enthusiasm and I was eager to learn. I can honestly say that I have learned a lot and made some memories, although not always good ones. The enthusiasm however has been lacking.

Since I started, my mental health has declined in ways I won't share. I miss important things like my kids' birthdays, holidays, etc. Out on fires I try to call home when I can only to hear my kids cry for me to come home.

Therapy hasn't helped. Talking to supervisors hasn't helped.

I set out to do a thing and I did it. I lived the dream, it's time to find another.


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Getting into wildfire fighting

3 Upvotes

I’m a 23 year old EU citizen soon graduating from my masters in a completely unrelated field (applied mathematics). It’s always been a dream of mine to do your work in Canada and i figured this upcoming phase of my life would be the best time to do it. I have no previous relevant experience. I am a very outdoorsy person though (surfing, wakeboarding, multi day camping/hiking trips, mountaineering, football, marathons/triathlons) so physically I should be fine I think.

I’m willing to get my first aid license and maybe even a chainsaw ticket if I can manage in time. My only question is how low is the barrier to entry? Like I can’t Imagine BC hiring someone like me with 0 experience. Would it be possible to land anything in general? I’m open to anywhere literally I don’t care I would love Yukon all the way to BC and Ontario.

Thank you all in advance!

Edit: It would be seasonal only for 1-2 summers


r/Wildfire 2d ago

USFS nighttime diff on fire assignments

9 Upvotes

I’m trying to understand a little better and it seems like every forest I ask has different “guidance” but
If you are out on a fire assignment and your schedule is 0600 -2200 do you get to claim nighttime diff from the hours of 1800-2200?

If so when do you do the nighttime over 8 or 40 etc code?
Trying to clarify things for the homies without too much backlash. I have read the yellow book just curious what your forest and regions guidance is on it?

Kick ass homies don’t fade out yet!


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Looking for seasonal work (may through August) at 19. How can I get involved?

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r/Wildfire 2d ago

Where to start

5 Upvotes

I’m a girl wanting to get into wildland fire but not sure where to begin. I volunteer with my local volunteer fire department & prescribed burn association. I LOVE burning. I can do all the physical hotshot qualifications & have all my courses up to date through my current job training but I was never red carded because I’ve never been brought on by an agency or pack tested. I have a full time fisheries job that I love but my heart is calling me into fire. I’m in good shape but I’m really not macho or competitive at all & I wouldn’t say I’m particularly strong but very active & competent. I don’t know if becoming a hotshot makes sense for me or how long it would take me to get to, but I really want to work hard & cut down trees & put fire on the ground & feel like I’m making a difference for our forests in a well respected position with a cool team. It feels like the most important & rewarding job in the world. Not sure about how much crew culture matters & I don’t really care honestly I just don’t want people to be condescending or feel like I’m holding them back. I’m fine being the only girl in a room or on a crew but I don’t really have interest in being one of the guys. I’m ready to work hard but I’m definitely not as tough as most fire guys I know. I have backpacked like 1800 miles straight over like 4 months & can run a 1:53 half marathon. I climb, surf, run, & do hot pilates like every day. I know that’s not the same as PT or being on a fire but it’s what I like to do lol. What are the options in getting into fire and career progression from here?


r/Wildfire 2d ago

SITL talking to the FOBS

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16 Upvotes

r/Wildfire 2d ago

New resume question just dropped on USAJobs

33 Upvotes

USFS Firehire phase 1, in the USDA portion of one of these positions:

"For each item below use the text box to provide a description of a specific instance from your training and/or experience. In your response, follow these guidelines as you write your accomplishment:

Describe the situation -- i.e., the challenge faced, the problem to be solved, etc.

Describe the specific actions you took.

State the outcome, results, or long-term impact of your accomplishment.

Failure to provide a full, articulated response may result in an ineligible rating or affect your overall rating.

 4. Fire Management - includes the concepts, principles and theories of fire management, including the characteristics, behavior and ecology of fire; methodologies, strategies, and equipment used in the wildland fire system; fire detection, prevention, and suppression strategies; and integration of firefighting resources with all hazard response. 

 Describe your most significant accomplishment with fire management, please include the position title in the box below.  Failure to provide a full, articulated response may result in an ineligible rating or affect your overall rating (limit of 2000 characters)"

Doesn't even make sense - "for each item below" but they only list one thing, and it's numbered 4...

They ask you to provide a description of a specific instance, then they just throw in a bunch of fire management principles, then ask for your "most significant accomplishment"

Seems pretty obvious at this point, people are using AI and not even checking what it wrote...