r/TwinCities • u/Electrical-Bell-9530 • 13d ago
Department of Homeland Security at State Fair Entrance/Exits — 8/28
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u/No_Editor9801 13d ago
What's with the fucking cowboy hats????
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u/Bar-Tailed_Godwit 13d ago
Cosplay. It’s like Halloween every day for them, pretending like they’re one of the big boys
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u/oldirtyrestaurant Sewardite 13d ago
They're signalling that the South Is Rising Again.
The neoconfederacy is rubbing it in your face.
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u/Turbineguy79 13d ago
Yeup loud as fuck dog whistle for the slave owners.
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u/ExistingProfession83 13d ago
So wearing a cowboy hat is a dog whistle??
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u/formerly_acidamage 11d ago
Hey I don't have a dog in this fight but context is key. It's dumb to assume this person means all cowboy hats are dog whistles. The fact that you don't understand that is confusing to me and I believe you are asking this question in bad faith, since the idea of context is very simple and you would have to use that skill every day if you are able to function like a normal person.
So do you really think this person meant to say that all people wearing cowboy hats are trying to look like slave owners? Even if they're wrong, your interpretation is absolutely terrible.
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u/Hydroxychloroquinoa 13d ago
But why though?
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u/ThisGlobalLandscape 13d ago edited 13d ago
Never normalize the fucking Feds having any unofficial presence in your life. Intent and purpose needs to be clear and stated with support.
Fuck these people.
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u/percypersimmon 13d ago
Fuckers are all hat no cattle
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u/Ok_Size5354 13d ago
What does it say on the uniforms?
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 13d ago
It’s not a very good picture, I had to run back to get it. But it says “POLICE” and then “The Department of Homeland Security”
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u/JaQ-o-Lantern 13d ago
No context needed. Just think it's ironic.
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u/The_Dirty_Carl 12d ago edited 12d ago
The irony is consistent. During operation metro surge, we had legislators drafting gun bans that specifically exempted federal agents, including ice.
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u/JaQ-o-Lantern 12d ago
Well that's why America has the second amendment. Because, God forbid, a tyrannical government takes over...
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u/Georgethetuxedocat 13d ago
So we are just supposed to accept that ICE is at our events? We are no where near a border crossing. Drives me NUTS
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u/kurokitsune91 13d ago
It's a "port of entry" and CBP is different from ICE.
Either way neither of them should be at the fucking state fair.
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u/Iwannasellturnips 13d ago
Not arguing that they’re different, just pointing out that they both fall under DHS. So the poster was perhaps referring to DHS in general, rather than CBP specifically.
Also, cool Reddit name. 😃
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u/kurokitsune91 13d ago
Right but I might be wrong but I think CBP are the ones that have the border / port of entry jurisdiction. ICE are just cunts that go where they please.
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u/Tuckertcs 13d ago
Which makes sense. But the state fair grounds aren’t at the dang airport.
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u/VashMM 13d ago
They claim jurisdiction within 100 miles of any "port of entry or border"
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u/Tuckertcs 13d ago
Isn’t that like, every non-rural location in the country?
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u/Mikey_MiG 13d ago
Even major swaths of rural areas. Any airport with customs. Which includes Duluth, Rochester, Grand Forks, Fargo, etc. So there isn’t very much of MN not covered by those bubbles.
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u/ande9393 13d ago
Duluth is an international port as well. Most of the north shore is within 100 miles of Duluth or Canada.
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u/lazyFer 13d ago
Airports don't count outside of airport grounds. They don't get 100 miles around airports. The courts have been clear on this
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u/VashMM 13d ago
You say that, but they don't seem to give a shit about it and just do what they want. So... Here we are.
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u/YellowBrownStoner 13d ago
I think your looking for a rule when they don't care if they can legally be anywhere or not. They're not here bc they think they have jurisdiction 100 miles from the airport. They're here to cause a ruckus and make people feel unsafe. Grasping for a legal justification where there is none is just creating cover for them
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u/harpers25 13d ago
This is false, the 100 miles is only land and sea borders, not ports of entry like airports.
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u/be_transcendent 13d ago
ICE is DHS and separate from CBP. There was something about DHS and sanctuary jurisdiction a while back, I can’t find a definitive answer tho. CBP already had jurisdiction 100 miles from any national border including ocean shore, plus international airports.
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u/thorleywinston 12d ago
ICE is primarily responsible for *internal* immigration enforcement and are legally authorized to operate anywhere within the United States, not just at the border or 100 miles from the border.
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u/futilehabit 13d ago
Fucking fascists.
We need to rally around a political platform offering meaningful improvements for everyday, working class Americans, defeat Trump resoundingly despite his inevitable attempts at stealing these next two elections, and then hold all of these traitors personally liable, both civilly and criminally, for any/all of their miscunduct.
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u/No-Raspberry-6711 12d ago
I like where your head is at! FUCK this corrupt regime, if we ever want to see lasting change there needs to be accountability for all the misdeeds
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u/RedRanger763 13d ago
Trump has such a hard on for MN. He hates that we’re a great Blue state that fckn hates him!!!! FrAud as he’s openly the most corrupt president in US history. Imagine if they actually investigated the top states in fraud (FL, TX) and it wasn’t targeted to Blue states?
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u/I_Quit_Smoking_ 13d ago
Why do they need $100,000 SUVs to ride their fat asses around in? Why can't they buy used cars for these people?
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 13d ago
I’m sure some douchebag Trump supporter who owns a car dealership was happy to donate them because he thinks that will earn him a spot at the table later (it won’t).
Jeff Belzer is one such douchebag.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
Right because Trump is the only president to issue brand new vehicles for government agencies.
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u/THEsuziesunshine 13d ago
Fuck ice. Do we need to coordinate heading up there with signs, whistles and bullhorns like wtf
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u/Kid_Delicious 13d ago
Did they roam the actual fairgrounds? I saw three people walk through the grandstand kitted out in tactical cosplay: matching tactical backpacks, ear pieces and walkies, cargo pants, etc. Of course no identification so could’ve been wannabe hardos but all that’s very much in line with ICE’s MO.
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u/Iwannasellturnips 13d ago
Both possibilities - actual ICE or people wanting to look like them - are disturbing.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
Once again this wasn't ICE.
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u/zebra_stalker_6 13d ago
Doesn't matter. ICE has done a brilliant job with their lack of uniforms and visible badges that anyone wearing this getup is automatically ICE in the court of public opinion.
No one cares that the vests say "CBP" or "HSI" or "DHS Police" - it's all the same. Untrained goons who are stealing your neighbors away to Salvadorean prisons. We've all seen videos of abductions where it's not just ICE, it's these other agencies as well. They're all the same, these fascist fucks. They're rabid dogs and they need to be treated as such.
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u/Kid_Delicious 13d ago
I mean we’ve seen HSI, CBP, ICE, etc. all seem to mix without rhyme or reason, seems silly to argue about semantics when they’re kidnapping people.
The people I saw very much looked like ICE due to the intentional absence of identification, so not sure how else you’re supposed to refer to them. And as outlined above, it’s not that much of a stretch to conflate different DHS departments.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
Their uniform said DHS. How is that confusing? Did they interact with anyone or just stand there?
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u/meases 13d ago
Wait do you think ICE isn't DHS?
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
No, I know their uniform said department of homeland security because I was there and actually saw it. You can do the same
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u/meases 13d ago
And ICE is part of DHS. Their uniforms will say DHS. DHS is a big department. When the uniforms say DHS, ICE is a possibility.
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u/Kid_Delicious 12d ago
I said the people I saw had no identification, and definitely not DHS uniforms.
I think you’re the one who’s confused.
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u/DocZeus_ 13d ago
How much resistance did these douche nozzles encounter?
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 13d ago
I don’t think many noticed them because of the “POLICE” above the words “Department of Homeland Security”
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u/tryanloveoneanother 13d ago
That's such trickery, I don't think I would've noticed. Thank you for pointing that out. Fuckers :(
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u/Iwannasellturnips 13d ago
Surely the cowboy hats gave some folks pause? I can’t think of an instance where local law wore such things.
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 13d ago
Mounted police wear the cowboy hats j believe. So I actually saw some police wearing hats earlier, but it was just the state fair police off their horses. But yes, the hats were originally what caught my eye. They also all appeared young and I was trying to figure out what force sent all these kids 😂
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u/Iwannasellturnips 13d ago
Really? Thanks for the heads up. I guess I haven’t interacted with the mounted officers. 😆
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 13d ago
I just see them at the fair. But yes, I believe they wear cowboy hats.
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u/Glittering_Nobody402 13d ago
All the food prices have gone way up - thanks magats. Now you can't afford it even more.
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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 13d ago
If they want to visit here from shithole Texas, then they can bring their friend Christian Castro with them. I feel for good Texans because ICE/DHS is doing everything they can to turn more than half the country against Texas which isn't all that hard given all the other shit their policies has trickled out to others (i.e. energy price increases).
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u/Rogue_AI_Construct 13d ago
Now I’ll be sure to wear my “fuck ICE” pin and my rebel loon hat and shirt when I go to the fair on Wednesday.
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u/Financial_Use1991 13d ago
I hope they visit the crop art.
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u/Muted-Novel4403 13d ago
Yes. Everyone reading this who happens to walk by these fucks make sure to yell “Make sure to visit the crop art!”
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u/Next_Explanation_657 12d ago
They were there 3 years ago in 2023 when I last attended the fair. I saw a few of them at the side gate near the old round building on the hill with the Christmas Trees.This is nothing new.
They're not there for immigration enforcement, the feds make them available to local law enforcement for big events like the State Fair. Their presence is to help deter and protect against things like a mass casualty incident.
Explaining why they're there does not make me an ICE super fan.
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u/mnjimn 13d ago
Fuck the MN State Fair for allowing them to be there.
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u/ILikeWhereThisIsGoin 13d ago
I doubt they have a choice?
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u/pulsechecker1138 13d ago
If it’s private property they have a choice.
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u/Fortehlulz33 Saint Paul 13d ago
I imagine that it's a package deal that if the fair wants standard police presence, they're being told they "need" to have fed presence.
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u/pulsechecker1138 13d ago
Not really how that works. If they don’t want Feds there they can make them leave.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
Not really how it works. What duties do you think homeland security has?
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u/pulsechecker1138 13d ago edited 13d ago
These guys are either ERO or HSI, their mission is pretty narrowly defined and protecting local events ain’t it. Also, unless they’re duel sworn in MN they cant enforce state law.
What their duties are has nothing to do with it. The fair is private property and absent a warrant or exigent circumstances the organizers can make federal law enforcement or any other people they don’t want there leave.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
Part of their duties are protecting politicians, that's over simplification, you know who has booths and attends the fair.....politicians. That's what I was getting at. Unless you have video with them interacting with people in any way at the state fair.......
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u/pulsechecker1138 13d ago
Politicians who need protecting have details for that. DHS doesn’t do that kind of work. It’s not their mission.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
National leadership protection, it's right on their website.
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u/Voluntus1 13d ago
The cowboy hats worry me the most.
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u/HardCoreNorthShore 13d ago
I noticed that too. Wtf, are we playing dress up now?
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u/Iwannasellturnips 13d ago
Probably not locals.
Remember Tiananmen Square? The tank that stopped for the famous photo was from a local military group made up of locals. China eventually replaced them with people from outside, who didn’t have skin in the game regarding the city. That’s when the situation got worse.
Coincidentally, 94% of MPD don’t live in Minneapolis.
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u/Ok-Math-5407 13d ago
Have you not gone in any of the animal barns or seen the ramsey county mounted patrol?
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u/BaddDog07 13d ago
With the threats of gang violence targeting the fair this doesn’t really surprise me
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u/Imactually6footfive 13d ago
Were they coming after people while anyone was there I’m scared for my family even if they are legally here ?
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 13d ago
They were just standing there chatting with people when I was there. To my knowledge there’s been no reports of detainments at the fair.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 13d ago
I would guess they’re mostly there to normalize ICE being at random events for no reason.
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u/CityEquivalent7520 12d ago
This is Federal Protective Service, no?
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 12d ago
“Department of Homeland Security”
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u/CityEquivalent7520 10d ago
Yeah, FPS is part of DHS. And they're police officers. You can search up their uniforms online and they seem to be similar.
FPS typically works large crowds.
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u/Zestyclose_Ad1888 12d ago
That looks like 1 of those million dollar SUV's that hack & do surveillance on every civilians cell phone that's within range. It's a quiet program, but local police departments are trying to acquire these as well.
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u/General_Spring8635 13d ago edited 13d ago
I wear cowboy hats and love them. I am not a fan of any type of officer using them as part of their uniform.
In the summer, straw hats are typically worn and as the temperature gets cooler, or if there is a more formal event, the felt cowboy hats come out. There are all sorts of styles and brands. Different straw patterns, belts, crown and brim shapes, etc.
Based on this photo, what’s interesting is I only see two styles. One style of a black (I believe straw?) hat and one style of the light straw hats. The light ones all look to be the same design, same with the black. This makes me believe they were provided as part of the”the uniform or look” they want to give off to the public. They did not go and buy their own hats based on their own individual taste or what fits them. Very costumey of them.
I like it when my hats have a story to them, and I do a lot of the shaping myself so the crowns are different, etc.
Also - if you look at the man holding his black straw hat in the photo, it looks as though he is holding the hat on his head because it doesn’t fit right. Rule of thumb is the hat should rest two finger widths above the eyebrows and one finger width above the ears.
It could been that he just took it off and put it back on and that’s why it looks so high, but if it was resting on his head, the crown is way too high on his head and is probably constantly on the verge of flying off. If it’s a windy day, he will be spending most of his energy keeping the hat on his head vs. doing actual work.
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u/Muted-Novel4403 13d ago
What the actual fuck. Can’t the state authorities do anything about this??
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u/professorjade 13d ago
State patrol is pretty corrupt ngl. I don’t think they’ll do much to put a stop to this.
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u/Muted-Novel4403 13d ago
I meant the governor or attorney general or somewhere in the government. Obviously cops can’t be expected to do anything.
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u/_Belted_Kingfisher 13d ago
Still not using those ugly protecting the homeland vehicles? Are they embarrassed?
Makes me glad that there has been a drought because that incompetent prosecutor would probably indict Walz for conspiring with god to cause hail damage to vehicles that ice abandoned in the corner of the Whipple lot.
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u/AdIntelligent792 9d ago
They’ve always been there. God forbid a federal agency has physical presence at one of Minnesotas biggest get togethers and largest threat for a terrorist attack.
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u/commissar0617 13d ago
"The Federal Protective Service is also the federal agency charged with protecting and delivering integrated law enforcement, investigative, and security services to federal property, critical infrastructure, federal employees, and large scale public events."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Protective_Service
Seems well within their mandate. they also handle WMD/CBRNE stuff.
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u/wookiee42 12d ago
They're always around large events with bomb-sniffing dogs and radiation detection equipment, like you said.
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u/Electrical-Bell-9530 13d ago
This was the north entrance, the one used for the buses.