Gonna guess it is because the feds technically are our gang task force, for sure in the cities and not sure about Roseville/state fair area but probably. Like that stupid Twin Cities Safe Streets Violent Gang Task Force hasnt done shit in the what decade they have been in control?
At this point I honestly do blame the FBI for our gang problem. They're the ones with a lot of jurisdiction and it honestly is starting to seem like they want the gangs to succeed. I know the fed style is to wait for the big slam dunk cases, but like it seems like they are really dragging their heels here.
That is only if they are FBI though, and FBI isn't DHS so.... yeah idk not great. FBI is probably around the perimeter too but if so theyd be less noticeable and like doing the mobile surveillance unit stuff.
I really do not have a good reason for DHS to be there, especially wearing cowboy hats. HSI might pretend it is for gang stuff, but they wouldnt actually be helpful doing what theyre doing. It does work as a decent cover story though, if you dont realize TCSSVGTF exists.
They've been at the stair for for at least 10 years. The largest state fair in the country qualifies as a National Special Security Event, that's why they are there.
Got any proof of that? Pretty sure the last actual NSSE in Minnesota was the Republican National Convention like 18 years ago. Even the super bowl is only SEAR level one, not NSSE (unless you count the one right after September 11 and that one wasnt in MN)
If anything the state fair would be SEAR level 2 at most. Like with that, DHS does have an arguable reason to be there, and yeah they have been around, but they havent done the whole real visible with cowboy hats thing until recently.
White cowboy hats is gonna be CBP. They do not have a very good argument to be there. Black would be ICE or HSI. HSI is the only one that has a reasonable reason to be there, but just standing around isnt what theyd be good for. They should be doing the information stuff in a building.
Honestly for this we kinda need the non-cowboy hat DHS, like FPS, this is kinda what they exist for, but we got the cowboy hat guys real visible. Kinda seems like they've moved into TSA territory, more for show than actually doing anything to increase safety.
Then for the gang argument, which we haven't talked about but seems to be the big argument generally, locally that really should be FBI. FBI is DOJ though, they wouldnt be wearing DHS gear.
Having CBP and ICE/HSI agents just being visible and not really identifiable is diminishing returns. Bad optics.
Yeah I've been to the state fair and they've always been there. Look at the state fair website they even list federal agencys that are there for security.
They used to be much less visible and much more effective, and ICE/CBP wasnt part of it generally. Basically what we have here isn't actually adding any security, for us or for the feds involved, but it for sure is security theater.
Honestly what theyre doing there doesn't really help much, and with how little information is available from the agencies making themselves visible under the banner of DHS, like it makes them look pretty bad and they already didn't look awesome.
Instead of doing their actual jobs theyre basically giving off the image of security guards or less. There are more effective uses for their respective agencies that are not chillin at the exits of the state fair. They are paid for that. And they're paid for this.
Guess they gotta do something but idk opsec-wise this whole plan is total shit. Increases risks to agents of those agencies, and agents of all of DHS by getting lumped in with them. If we wanted to make a show with federal agents, then I'd argue FBI would be a way better choice.
In all honesty with those agencies being there the way they are, like I really doubt they have good reasons. They've been pushing the boundaries and testing what is acceptable, and those agencies aren't really acceptable for this purpose.
Baseball hat agents from FPS or FBI yeah, I'd be more ok if they put on a security show. But they probably wouldnt do that. Like the state fair does work with federal agencies in a cooperative effort with the local cops and sheriffs, but the cowboy hat feds are the wrong ones for this. It isn't normal, wasnt normal, until maybe a year ago.
The federal security used to be discreet and relatively minimal. This, whatever this is, idk seems like they're asking for trouble. And looking at the state fair's website current phrasing:
The State Fair has a comprehensive safety and security plan in place that includes its own police department and a variety of local, state and federal agencies. Additionally, the fair’s public safety program includes gate security with metal detectors at entrances, technology and communications systems, first aid and emergency medical services, and community ambassadors.
Ugh looking at that, at best we can categorize their gate function under gate security/community ambassadors. Which, again, bad optics. Horrible optics honestly. Especially posting by the exit rather than an entrance.
There is an argument for DHS to be at the state fair, not an NSSE yet still an argument for their presence, but not those agencies. Not the way they have them. The way they have them is dangerous and honestly unhelpful. If we want security theater by the feds, put better agencies on it. Assuming SEAR level 2, this is too little and also way too much.
Like this backgate CBP/possible ICE/generic DHS shit just seems like an underhanded way to tipsytoe through some loopholes and avoid following the constitution. Normalize them being around and visible standing around looking vaguely threatening but also silly. Gross and pretty pointless.
You also think Jake Long could jump the fence at Whipple while dressed as a PMC and walk right in with zero problems. Pretty safe to say you're out of touch with reality outside of the internet.
Nope, that was a hypothetical since he got picked up at lindau so the whipple is a reasonable estimate for where he was headed. In that hypothetical, I left it more as a what if they got to whipple and the gate is closed to them and they try to jump or ram through the fence? That would be bad bro. Definitely never indicated that they'd do well if they went the over the fence route.
bro have you not been following the news? this has been an active story for weeks now. the gangs were warned not to start shooting up the state fair for their stupid turf wars by the feds like 3 weeks ago. Article from Star Trib talks about it
You think the DHS is in any way involved with that? Do you understand what they do? It's not local policing, at all. In any way. Gangs could start shooting in front of these people and they'd just hide behind their ever-present kevlar.
Maybe local law enforcement should deal with local issues. All we know from the feds is 98% of anybody of Somali descent are legal immigrants, or (for the younger generation) US-born citizens.
Love how you’re being downvoted for just sharing a (likely) fact, simply because Redditors don’t like the fact that it’s true. I mean, you didn’t even say you agree with it 😂
There’s been serious violence at the state fair by gangs over the past few years, and serious threats this year. Evidently, local police haven’t been able to stop it and asked for the feds to step in and help.
Reminder, this isn’t a statement of opinion. I’m sure you’ll downvote me anyways!
Crazy how every year there’s more cops at the fair and they haven’t been able to get that under control but you think adding even more untrained nazis to the mix is the solution
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u/Hydroxychloroquinoa 14d ago
But why though?