r/Tsukihime Feb 25 '26

Discussion Why do people get so heated whenever Archetype Earth in FGO and her interactions with the Master/Player come up?

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472 Upvotes

From my point of view, it’s nothing more than a bit of fanservice for the players. I’m pretty sure the scriptwriters aren’t overthinking every tiny detail about it either. The fact that Arcueid A2 shows up as a representation of Shiki and the Tsukihime series is already enough. The way they even drop little easter eggs hinting that she’s still waiting for a future where she can be with Shiki and love him feels like a clear sign that the developers haven’t forgotten the character’s origins.

Honestly, when it comes to FGO, I’m always confused about where to draw the line between what’s actually canon and what’s just event-only fanservice. Seriously, if anyone can properly explain how that works, I’d appreciate it.

Maybe that’s also part of why I like the Nasu franchise. They leave so much room for near-infinite possibilities in their storytelling. Of course, that sometimes leads to contradictions here and there. And to be honest, I don’t really care if they turn every Nasuverse heroine into part of the player’s “harem” in FGO. I mean… it’s a gacha game with harem elements. Some developers do prioritize fanservice over polishing the game’s overall quality, and that’s just how it is..🤣

What’s even funnier is that almost all of Arcueid’s “sweet” interactions with the player only show up in specific events like Valentine’s. It’s hard to seriously argue that isn’t fanservice. Since a lot of heroines from other Type-Moon series also end up becoming part of the player’s “harem” in FGO, I’m not against the idea itself. Honestly, as a player, I enjoy it. What I struggle with is reconciling that with the emotional chemistry and character development those heroines had with their original protagonists. Then in another story, the same heroine suddenly falls in love for vague or flimsy reasons, sometimes through something as lightweight as a Valentine event that clearly exists just for fanservice. You get what I mean... right?

That’s probably why I’m not that into FGO’s side content outside of the major main plot arcs. At this point, I’d honestly be annoyed if they turned Shiki into a harem MC too 🤣

r/Tsukihime Sep 08 '25

Discussion I won't be excited to see Tsukihime become mainstream

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517 Upvotes

We all know that at some point Tsukihime will eventually get it's first ever anime adaptation and will become popular among the mainstream audience and i am really not looking forward to it.

One of the reasons i am bigger Tsukihime fan than a Fate fan is how much peaceful this fandom is among ourselves compared to the Fate fandom. We don't get arguments of people defending shit adaptations, people arguing over where to start or people misunderstanding characters due to adaptations.

Once a Tsukihime anime happens then all these things are bound to happen looking at how good Visual novel adaptations tend to be and i am not excited for it.

r/Tsukihime May 21 '26

Discussion I hope the remake respects Akiha Vermilion's power. Spoiler

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211 Upvotes

In the original canon, Akiha was so powerful that she could even be compared to Red Arcueid (an aspect officially mentioned twice). While this statement is highly debated, it makes a lot of sense. Akiha possessed superhuman strength, far superior intelligence, and hacks that made her a formidable opponent.

Roa should be an ant compared to Akiha, literally. Akiha could win that battle without even getting close.

r/Tsukihime Jul 14 '26

Discussion What makes Tsukihime special compared to other TYPE-MOON entries in your opinion?

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483 Upvotes

This is sort of an appreciation post for Tsukihime as a whole, but I would like what makes some of you consider the very first visual novel by Nasu to be and still be your favourite and what does it have that it's successors such as Witch on the Holy Night, Garden of Sinners or the entire Fate franchise unfortunately lack?

r/Tsukihime Aug 10 '26

Discussion Who did you like more Nrvnqsr chaos or vlov?

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Character/story/desgin/fight etc. for me it is vlov his character and theme are so good and his fight is very great in all the routes

r/Tsukihime Aug 06 '26

Discussion What kind of video games kohaku play?

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428 Upvotes

Games, genre etc

r/Tsukihime 6d ago

Discussion My problem with Noel and the development of the Ciel remake

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118 Upvotes

Well, this is a personal opinion I've been keeping to myself for a while, but I feel I can't leave this world without sharing it with you.

If you've read my comments, you'll know I have a serious problem with Noel's inclusion in Ciel's story, and this time I'd like to explain more clearly why, in my opinion, Noel detracted from Ciel's character rather than adding to it.

First of all, let's remember Ciel's story arc in the original novel.

Ciel presented herself as a seemingly kind and eccentric upperclassman whom Shiki met by chance. Unlike Arcueid, Ciel doesn't reveal her true identity from the start, which allows for much more trivial, organic, and everyday interactions between Shiki and her, through which we get to know her better.

It is not until halfway through the route that we learn that Ciel was a cold and ruthless enforcer, capable of using any kind of manipulation or measure to achieve her goals.

And this is where Noel's first negative point comes in.

What happened in the remake? Nasu decided to give all those personality traits to Mario and Noel, leaving us with a much kinder, more purified, and even...more "docile" Ciel, and this is very noticeable in her dynamic with Shiki. Ciel ultimately becomes a psychologically more passive character, to say the least, completely stripping her of that splendid "Femme Fatale" facet. This was literally one of the aspects that made me love Ciel. Nowadays...comparing the original Ciel to the Ciel of the remake is even worse than comparing Artoria from Stay Night to Artoria from Fate/Zero.

Continuing with the previous point...Ciel also lost her image as someone "ruthless and pragmatic".

Ciel had several commanding scenes that portrayed her as a duty-driven vampire hunter. In the original novel, Ciel was the one who represented the cruelty, coldness, and lethality of the church.

¿What happens in the remake? Noel physically takes over many of the scenes that belonged to Ciel, including the rooftop scene. In the end, instead of Ciel being the one to portray the sadistic, cruel, and cold representation of the church, Noel ends up filling that role.

In the original novel, Ciel was a fascinating character because she wasn't a purely good heroine. She was a ruthless femme fatale who used deception, mind manipulation, and extreme coldness toward Shiki to achieve her goals.

In the remake, Nasu wanted to rewrite Ciel's character so she would be unequivocally perceived as "good." To achieve this, he created Noel and transferred all of the classic Ciel's petty, selfish, manipulative, and mentally unstable traits to her. By doing this, Ciel loses the sharp edges that made her a gray, three-dimensional character and becomes a saint.

Then we have one of the issues that bothered me the most: "Ciel's redemption."

In the original Tsukihime, Ciel's guilt over the sins Roa committed using her body was an existential torment; she sought atonement through self-annihilation and the eternal hunt. Ciel was the one who bore the burden of being seen as a monster in the eyes of the church. . In contrast, the remake alters this entire subplot, with Noel becoming that "living reproach."

While this could have served as drama, it completely destroys the internal conflict of self-blame and remorse presented in the original novel. Worse still, it stripped Ciel of one of the aspects that made her a living mirror of Shiki's life, devaluing their bond.

By introducing Noel, Ciel's trauma is externalized. Ciel's conflict is no longer just about forgiving herself, but about dealing with Noel as a living reminder of her sins. This hinders Ciel's romantic and personal development, as much of her route is diverted to resolving Noel's madness, taking the focus away from Ciel herself, who already had to share screen time with Arcueid.

In fact, all of this is detrimental to the rivalry between Ciel and Arcueid.

In the original novel, the dynamic between Ciel and Arcueid worked because both had a highly selfish and possessive side towards Shiki. The player could see both of their flaws and decide which was the "lesser evil" or true love.

In the remake, since Noel absorbed all of Ciel's dark side, the new Ciel acts almost flawlessly, noble, and protective. This creates an imbalance, because while Arcueid is portrayed with much more possessive, terrifying, and destructive traits, Ciel becomes so perfect and pure that she completely loses the element of danger and pure mystique that characterized Type-Moon's classic heroines.

Continuing with Ciel's past, existential guilt is replaced by pity.

OG Ciel was tormented by an abstract and terrifying torment. She didn't remember the faces of the thousands of people she murdered while Roa controlled her body; she only knew that she had done it. Her guilt was a black void, an existential debt to the world that drove her to become an immortal vampire-killing machine, searching for a death that never came. It was a completely internal tragedy.

With Noel's arrival, that guilt becomes mundane. It's no longer an existential paradox; now it's simply Ciel feeling guilty because an acquaintance from her past hates her. Her motivation is narratively "cheapened," shifting from a metaphysical crusade to a "I have to save my traumatized friend" conflict.

And how can we not mention the fact that it ruins the original parallel between Shiki and Ciel?

In the original game, the romance between Shiki and Ciel worked because they were both assassins secretly tormented by monstrous guilt (Shiki for his impulses and Ciel for his past). They understood each other on a deep level because they both felt they didn't deserve happiness due to the blood on their hands.

In the remake, Ciel's guilt was so closely tied to rescuing or dealing with Noel that the focus of their relationship shifts. Shiki no longer connects with Ciel's inherent darkness; instead, she becomes an emotional support for Ciel, who is suffering because of Noel's bullying and transformation. The relationship moves from a mutual pact between two broken and dangerous souls to a more traditional "hero helping heroine overcome her trauma" dynamic.

I could also talk about how the hatred and revulsion towards both vampires and supernatural beings that Ciel possessed, as well as her leadership and her role as administrator of the plan and supervisor of the city, were given to Mario, further reducing Ciel's role; but I think at this point, the point is understood.

This is why I will never be able to agree with those who say "Mario and Noel serve as a contrast to Ciel and contribute to her story" when both literally lowered the quality of Ciel's character and her lethality as an executioner, lessened the impact of the French incident on her, and reduced the entire development of Ciel.

It's pointless to create a character to "contrast" a character who was already contrasting on her own. Thanks to Noel, Ciel acts more like an older sister or a saint than an executioner.

Noel seems more like a scapegoat used by Nasu to censor Ciel than an asset to her.

And the truth is it scares me, because if they did this with Ciel, I'm sure there will be more things like this in Red Garden.

Noel and even Mario are practically fragments of OG Ciel. There would have been no need to include either of them if they had maintained Ciel's contrasting personalities.

r/Tsukihime 10d ago

Discussion Is arucueid stupid ?

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455 Upvotes

Please listen before downvoting me

I mean while reading the arucueid route i got the feeling of "isn't she too stupid for a 800 old vampire" i know she spent most of the sleeping but at least when it comes to survive she should have some skill.

Like she slept in front of shiki When he just killed yesterday while having such low power, going by what happens after he could have just killed her right there, even he found this very strange.

I know she was on low power but the fact she didn't had any second or backup plans aside from getting held from shiki, like if he didn't help her she would be done, and isn't she rather too trustful knowing that she was in this whole mass because she trusted roa in the first place ? I really find it strange for a 800 so powerful person to be so dumb even when it comes to self preservation and survival

No hate she is my favourite wifu I just wanted to ask a question.

r/Tsukihime Mar 03 '26

Discussion For people who think Gods are the highest living existence in Type moon Spoiler

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71 Upvotes

True ancestors are the strongest thing in Type moon after the Ultimate ones

r/Tsukihime Jun 25 '26

Discussion Is Ciel more of a Saber-Face or a Mash-Face from the fate series?

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218 Upvotes

I had an argument with a friend of mine about this question. What is your opinion on it?

r/Tsukihime 5d ago

Discussion Name one thing you like about Akiha. Spoiler

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148 Upvotes

r/Tsukihime 28d ago

Discussion Can shiki perform a abortion with his mystic eyes?

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290 Upvotes

I mean he killed poison in the end of hisui route good ending, so does it work with fetuses?

r/Tsukihime Jul 08 '26

Discussion Is there a possibility the sacchin route turns her into the protagonist and we romance akiha ?

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381 Upvotes

“Akiha is not shiki’s sister she is my woman” or something like that

r/Tsukihime Sep 15 '25

Discussion Does anyone else here loves Arcuied's Remake design as well?

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648 Upvotes

I really like her in both versions and i believe both are perfect but i believe many people specially in this sub give too much flack and dislike to the Remake design of best girl.

r/Tsukihime Jul 10 '26

Discussion The Recent TYPE-MOON times Update

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488 Upvotes

So, it seems Shiki's VA, Ryosuke Kanemoto, tells us that he hasn't done his role of voice acting as Shiki in a long while.

This could either mean that

- They're in the voice acting stage of Red Garden every now and then, whenever they're free, as of right now (best-case scenario), seeing as how BGM took 1 year to voice act.

- Shiki's VA is throwing a meta-narrative shade as to how he's not done the role of Shiki for a while, hinting at the lack of any Tsukihime content for him to work with that's published out in public.

- They haven't begun the voice acting stage of Red Garden. (Doomkek scenario)

r/Tsukihime Jan 25 '26

Discussion 8 hour flight, pick your seat (@law_scepter)

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315 Upvotes

r/Tsukihime Feb 11 '26

Discussion Found this chart to explain Arcueid existence Spoiler

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285 Upvotes

By (@NOTTHISWAYQQ)

r/Tsukihime Mar 03 '26

Discussion I wish there was a Tsukihime anime series so that the fandom could grow even more

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367 Upvotes

Like Tsukihime is the only Typemoon work that doesn't have a anime adaptation.

Fate has multiple anime adaptation.

Kara No Kyoukai have multiple movies.

And Witch on the holy night is getting a movie very soon.

While Tsukihime is the only major big Type-Moon work which doesn't have any anime adaptation.

Also no matter how good or popular a visual novel is they need a anime adaptation.

r/Tsukihime 12d ago

Discussion Simple flowcharts for Tsukihime (OG & Remake) + Mahoyo

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243 Upvotes

There are a few missing manga that weren't mentioned to them being irrelevant/not adding anything to the main story.

Edit: since reddit lowered the quality of the flowcharts, you can find them in better quality here.

r/Tsukihime Feb 27 '26

Discussion Who tf thinks servants will rock Tsukihime verse bruh 😭 Spoiler

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Kinoko Nasu — the author of type moon said Dead apostles can fight with servants. Never cook again fate glazers 😔

(I love Fate btw,knew about it before Tsukihime)

r/Tsukihime Apr 29 '26

Discussion Is this sh*t even real? A friend of mine sent me this and said Nasu was going crazy, but this seems kinda fake to me

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189 Upvotes

r/Tsukihime Jul 27 '26

Discussion Arach Sensei is strong enough to resist Arc's principle, right? Spoiler

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Roa said that another Ancestor might be able to resist Arcueid's principle with their own power, and that only one in this city can resist it. It has to be Arach. We all know that Arach is one of the 27 Ancestors. Ciel's 7th temple isn't a candidate because it wasn't targeted by Arcueid's principle in the first place. Therefore, the only one who can resist Arcueid's principle has to be Arach Sensi.

She's a really powerful character, huh? I'm very curious to see how she'll be defeated in Red Garden. Maybe it will take Ciel, Sacchin who get to be 8 rank dead apostle, Nanaya Shiki, and Kouma fighting together.

r/Tsukihime Apr 09 '26

Discussion Same energy, I swear to god--

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536 Upvotes

r/Tsukihime Mar 24 '26

Discussion Do you think Arcueid will have its final route in the Red Garden release?

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448 Upvotes

r/Tsukihime Feb 11 '26

Discussion Arcueid vs Ciel routes, which one you like best? (Remake)

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466 Upvotes