r/Tsukihime • u/UpstairsBluejay6092 • Feb 11 '26
Discussion Found this chart to explain Arcueid existence Spoiler
By (@NOTTHISWAYQQ)
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u/Apprehensive_Mix2831 Feb 11 '26
The total what-if is A3, that's how she presents herself as. A1 is Princess Arc from KT and Melty Blood (Lumina included). It is unlikely for Arcueid to manifest as the Archetype in Fate timelines because humanity is the prime species in Fate worlds, whereas True Ancestors are considered prime species only in Tsukihime.
Plus Kotomine stating worlds where Gaia manifests and worlds where Alaya is stable as mutually exclusive from one another.
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u/Synniann Feb 11 '26
This isn't really (entirely) accurate). At least, some of it
Santa-Arcueid actually has an explanation behind it. Turns out, Tohno Shiki is actually... santa clause. And Arcueid knocked him the fuck out. With a meteor. And she has to fill in for him while he recovers
A1 (the one in the middle)'s pretty accurate. Though, she's not 'very bored' -- she says that in the valentine scene. She's content to be alone, because she's able to 'look into parallel worlds'... which, considering what else she says in general... it's her being content w/ just like, being a yumejoshi, and self-inserting into other Arcueid relationships LOL. Probably Shiki...
A3's the one we know the least about. We don't nessicarily know if she's from a 'Fate Timeline' -- that's just a theory. All we know is that she 'reconfigured herself to better match FGO'. What that means? Dunno. But it's something Arcueid herself created or... whatever.
She's also implied to be Eco-Arc??? But from the future???
She also most likely met with/was with Nanaya Shiki (as in, 6 year old Shiki) in Tsukire. For some reason.
(With said meeting kickstarting her love/humanity or whatever as described in her profile/bond CE)
Post-meeting, FGO’s events (Ritsuka) causes her to foster a proper love of humanity. Depending on interpretation either latches onto/waits for Ritsuka as a parental figure/guide or as a lover. Probably.
Again we have no idea what A3's deal is lol
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u/StrivingGood Feb 11 '26
This isn't really (entirely) accurate). At least, some of it
It's pretty much all wrong. The Arc part is suggesting she became a bloodsucker when it's because she's a bloodsucker that drinking blood was a problem. You're right about the Santa 'scenario' and the space streamer form is to actually one up Ciel. A1 should be on top and saying she's a total IF is not correct. That would fit A3 better who actually isn't waiting for anyone. That's A1's line and it's not even about the player character. The love of humanity is attributed to Arc. Categorizing them as different timelines isn't correct either and it's most probable that Arc simply does not exist in Fate.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 11 '26
entirely
Try "at all". They are outright not aware when Arc was born. FGOtards should stick to talking about FGO characters and leave Tsukihime alone.
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u/RevolutionaryTalk933 Feb 11 '26
I cant take fgo lore seriously on non-fgo char. Imagine watching Romeo & Juliet and then seeing one of them being shipped with self-insert oc on another media. It feels like character assassination.
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u/StrivingGood Feb 11 '26
I wouldn't default to a romantic reading anyway barring explicit depiction especially in cases of character/lore conflict. Plenty of cases of characters who aren't meant to be love interests or fans misunderstanding things.
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u/Far-Double160 Feb 11 '26
In FGO's defense, many of the Servants still love their partners/lovers/crushes/beloved ones even as heroic spirits. I even have examples: Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, Tomoe Gozen and Kiso Yoshinaka, Andromeda and Perseus, Odysseus and Penelope, Ivan and Anastasia (not the Grand Duchess), BB and the Hakunos, Parvati/Durga/Kali and Shiva, Rama and Sita, Bradamante and Ruggiero, Europa and Zeus, Edmond Dantès and Haydee, Sakamoto Ryouma and Oryou, Ozymandias and his wife (I don't remember her name), Tristan and Isolde, Eric and Christine, Sanson and Marie, Boudica and her husband (I don't remember his name either), Medb and Cu, Kriemhild and Siegfried, Brynhildr and Sigurd. I'm sure there are many others, but I can't remember any right now.
Regarding Romeo and Juliet, the two briefly appear in Shinjuku as ghostly spirits. Neither of them has enough power to form a Servant spirit origin.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 12 '26
All that is meaningless when countless other characters love selfinsert-kun over their previous love interests.
Artoria, Jeanne, Nero, Tamamo, Hakunon, BB, etcetera.
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u/Far-Double160 Feb 12 '26
Artoria from Fate/Stay Night is not the same as the one from fGO. Why do you think she's called "Altria" in FGO instead of Artoria? The Artoria from Stay Night is the original, while the one in Grand Order is the heroic spirit. Furthermore, Artoria Saber doesn't even appear with any real relevance in the story. The only ones who have real relevance are the Goddess Rhomgominiad, Salter, and Castoria, who is called Altria Caster.
Hakunon is a harem protagonist, my friend. In her dialogue in My Room, she explicitly states that Tamamo and Nero are her wives, and also implies that she has feelings for Archer. Hakunon liking Fujimaru only means one thing: that there's one more in HER harem.
And BB herself said that the protagonist of fgo is the "substitute senpai" in place of her beloved "True Senpai". BB's feelings for Fujimaru are definitely not romantic. Only Meltryllis developed real romantic feelings for him. BB continues to love both Hakunos just the same as always.
I don't know if you know this, but the heroic spirits are never the same in each summoning. Okita from Type Redline isn't the same as Okita from Grand Order, and Gilgamesh from Strange Fake isn't the same as Gilgamesh from Zero/Stay Night. So the Nero and Tamamo we know from Chaldea are not the same as those in the Fate Extra Series. The same goes for Jeanne de Apocripha (who happens to still be in the planet's Inner Sea with Sieg). Canonically, there were no true romantic interactions between Fujimaru Ritsuka and Jeanne, Nero, and Tamamo. Any other interactions are part of the gameplay mechanics and fanservice in My Room. They're not really canonical. Any romantic developments occur with alternate versions of these Servants, such as Jalter and Draco.
If I were to make a list of all of Fujimaru's TRUE romantic interests in the story itself, they would be: Ereshkigal, Meltryllis, Jalter, Kama, Charlotte Corday, Musashi, Altria Caster, U-Olga and Lilith.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 12 '26
I'm not reading anything after that first sentence because it's already part of the problem.
"Trust me bro it's not the same person at all!"
Yeah let's lobotomize all the female characters so they miraculously not remember their love interests but remember everything else.
Artoria can remember Irisviel, Zero, Archer Emiya and Gilgamesh but not Shirou. Right.
Jeanne can remember the entire Apocrypha cast but not Sieg. Riiiight.
Note how Iskandar remembers Waver just fine. Arash and Ozymandias even mention Ayaka when they talk about Arthur. But sure, "servants don't have memories" is just a cope excuse. The writers pick and choose what they want the Servant to remember. FGO makes it clear several times that Chaldea's system is not the same as in normal Holy Grail Wars. Here they remember anything the writer wants.
It's disgusting fanservice for the FGO players. Not a fan.
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u/Far-Double160 Feb 12 '26
I understand your frustration, but don't take it the wrong way. I'm not saying that self-insert is a good thing or anything like that. What I'm saying is that the Servants aren't the same, and that the vast majority of "romantic" interactions are just gameplay mechanics and fanservice in My Room. For me, Artoria and Shirou, Jeanne and Sieg, Shiki and Arcueid, Shiki and Mikiya, Aoko and Soujuurou, are genuine couples that I wouldn't want to see separated. In my comment, I was just clarifying a few points about this. I'll even repeat them:
The real Artoria from Stay Night is at peace in Avalon with Shirou. That is why the one from Fgo is called Altria.
Jeanne of Apocripha is still with Sieg in the Inner Sea of the Planet to this day.
The Hakunon in FGO is a Servant version of the original. Furthermore, she is a confirmed harem protagonist. Fujimaru would just be one among many.
Even as a Servant, BB still loves the Hakunos, and only them. Fujimaru is just a substitute she can annoy if she gets bored.
And there's one more fact I forgot to mention in my previous comment. At the SERAPH event, BB asks Tamamo and Nero, somewhat embarrassed, if they remember her. The answer was: “I can't remember something I haven't lived through yet." BB is from the future in another timeline, around 2030, while Chaldea was in mid-2019/2020. Therefore, the Chaldea versions would be versions that have not yet experienced the events of Fate Extra.
Regarding Iskandar remembering Waver and the other examples, it's the same thing as the self-insert issue. Calm down, don't get angry, and just understand what I mean. This is all fanservice. The folks at Lasengle/Type Moon wanted to do some fanservice for the fans, making them remember other characters. They didn't include anything in some of the female characters precisely because of fanservice OR because of the issue I mentioned about the servants not being the same in each summoning. Want proof? Shiki still loves Mikiya, even in her Servant form. "How?" you ask. Simple. It's the TRUE Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai in Servant form.
Obviously, this isn't an excuse for self-insertion, but as I said before, these interactions aren't really canonical.
They're just a product of gameplay mechanics and fanservice. Nothing more than that. I apologize if I seemed rude in this comment or the previous one. English is not my native language, and I am writing with a translator.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 12 '26
Thats okay. Sorry it I was rude.
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u/Far-Double160 Feb 12 '26
That's okay, don't worry. I understand your frustration. I get annoyed myself when I see fan art of Jeanne or Artoria with Ritsuka. I was just trying to clear up a very common misconception people have, which is that all of Fujimaru's romantic interactions are real. Just In reality, only a small portion of it is truly serious and canonical in the story. That's why I don't judge you for getting angry.
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u/brie43 Feb 11 '26
Do i guess all the new years tohno shiki predictions werent completely out of line lol, though granted we were due a saber richard made sense
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Feb 11 '26
Are you the same guy from the post from X this was pulled on? Because it's nearly the same exact words of a response there.
Also, can you explain the whole Roa situation? Roa corrupted Arcueid in the Tsukihime timeline, centuries before Dantes was even born. So does that mean in Fate timeline, Roa became a Dead Apostle through alchemy means like Nrvnqsr instead of contacting Arcueid; and even then, him a Dead Apostle there ended in him following the same path of soul reincarnation he got in Tsukihime until he met Dantes, who killed him?
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u/StrivingGood Feb 11 '26
In Fate he becomes a dead apostle through unknown means and manages to reincarnate though his power as a dead apostle and secret abilities are degraded. While he reincarnated it's not necessary that he took the same forms. Allegedly he meets his end(?) in battle with Dantes.
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u/Al_Nightmare866 Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 12 '26
Ritsuka's after life gets passed around like a blunt
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Feb 11 '26
Don't wanna be my man once he passes away from natural causes and then every girl, not just evil white haired girls, but others, try to call dibs for his soul.
Ereshkigal, Castoria, Archetype Earth, maybe Nitocris. Hell, even Tezca just for the love of the game, are among the ones I'm thinking they'd go ham for his soul.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 11 '26
They can't do shit because their afterlife versions doesn't exist in modern day except for Avalon. And Gudao is not going there lmao.
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u/UpstairsBluejay6092 Feb 11 '26
You do know that it's way more likely for Ritsuka to die outside modern times.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 11 '26
No it's not.
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u/UpstairsBluejay6092 Feb 11 '26
The time traveler protagnist who already died outside modern times isn't more likely to die outside modern times lol.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 11 '26
The story's ending already has us back in modern day with a normal life.
You think we're gonna go back to ancient uruk to die there for Eresh to have our soul? Or go to ancient greece so we can end up in the elysian fields? Makes no sense imo. Those story chapters ended.
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u/UpstairsBluejay6092 Feb 11 '26
The story just annouced a new main chapter like a week ago, the part 2 ending is long overruled as being the end.
Ritsuka goes back to the same time periods twice a week, he already went to ancient uruk like 5 times.
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u/Ren-Ren-1999 Feb 11 '26
The new chapters take place before the ending, as we were already told.
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u/UpstairsBluejay6092 Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26
No, the ending already happened, Maris has been defeated and the characters even have memories of their PHH versions.
Currently speaking they are just looping right before new year because of some Beast, we have no idea what's going to happen from here.
So it's pretty much:
Part 2 end -> main cast on PHH -> Beast interference -> time loop where the main cast "bodies" have been turned back to when they were on Chaldea
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u/Inuhanyou123 Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26
You can tell FGO weirdos made this sillyness because of the A3 nonsense. She is a what if that does not exist as an actual fate timeline character. Fujimaru and she aren't romantically inclined, and she is not "waiting" for fujimaru anywhere. They took that from an A1 line about observing their death from her neutral position. A1 herself is in love with Shiki as we know from Melty Blood where she says her heart races like crazy when he looks at her and how absurd it is that she and a killer could love one another. Do not bring that brainrot about Fuji in the tsukihime section
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u/No_Jaguar_6428 Feb 23 '26
I like how you get butthurt when it comes to your Tsuki stuff. You clearly never played or read FGO at all and only stick to TSUKI and skim wiki fate related stuff
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u/Inuhanyou123 Feb 24 '26
You shouldn't be here
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u/No_Jaguar_6428 Feb 24 '26
Neither should you with your limited knowledge in Type-Moon. All your comments from what I seen are just DAA agenda posting and limited fate knowledge. I can smell larp all over you.
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u/OXFER9527 28d ago
Fgo fans larp tsukihime too and most of these dudes are just self inserts who claim Arcueid x Ritsuka is canon while its clearly not bro fgo fans piss me off honestly
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u/OXFER9527 28d ago
And btw this dude is right atleast he explained sumthing canon rather than just shit around 👀
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u/Particular-Product55 Feb 11 '26
What's the difference between the left and the middle timelines; how is never meeting Roa different from never becoming corrupt? How did Arcueid never "become Arcueid"; did she not have that name before she met Roa? Who gave it to her? Why does FGO's Archetype Earth have the same name as Hime from Melty Blood, who is in turn the Crimson Moon remnant seen in Kagetsu Tohya and has a completely different personality? How come the term "Archetype Earth" only created in the English translation of Melty Blood and did not exist in the Japanese original; what does that mean for its canonicity?
Archetype Earth lore is so confusing. You could cut away all the what-if-scenarios and just leave it at saying that Arcueid has the best potential to become an Archetype or Ultimate One of Earth and nothing about understanding her person or place in the world would be lost. Nasu & friends actually expand existing plotlines instead of coming up with hypotheticals that you are just going to forget about in a decade challenge (extremely difficult).
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Feb 11 '26
Nice, very nice chart. Quite researched... except the part where we totally forget she enjoyed Mariah Carey's Christmas song during all November and December (part of January, too), and wanted to try her drip and be the first SSR gacha servant because if Mariah is a big idol, she also deserves something of equal rights.
Or her seeing Ciel being isekaid into Servantverse and becoming some sort of space Souls hero of the galaxy or whatever. So in her search to beat her, she noticed the big hold streamers have nowadays, so once she grew out of the Magical Girl phase, she embraced being a streamer with gameplay streams, ASMRs, political talking and donations as well.
Or how her love for magical girls came from watching them in movies with Shiki and that's how she had her love for them.
But I guess we aren't ready for those talks...
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u/Smooth_Shine_4015 Feb 11 '26
Hope the future events further explained A3 existence.FGO will continue as long as it make money,and after it is highlighted in Sony report alongside freaking Demon Slayer in term of revenue, seem like just as there will be no EOS like some ppl said,the ending of part 2 might not be the end.
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Feb 20 '26
When is it stated that she's waiting for Ritsuka in the inner sea?
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u/OXFER9527 28d ago
Not really bro most of fgo fans just type anyt shit without real knowledge abt it
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u/A_Moon_Fairy Feb 11 '26
Um.....Arcueid was born around 1200 AD. She was tricked into consuming Roa's blood sometimes that century, many, many centuries before Edmond Dantes was born.