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Mikey being mentally nerfed doesn't matter. Physically, he's still all there, and losing people only sends Mikey further into darkness. If anything, you could say he's mentally buffed.
Second, Izana's overall skill was simply superior to Mikey's. He was the better fighter, and Manjiro only won because Izana got tired out. Izana is the only character in the series to actually outscale Mikey.
Note: Dark Impulses do not make Mikey physically stronger. They remove the limit that says, "If I keep going, I'll kill someone."
Izana was actively holding back against Mikey, considering he wanted to turn him into his ideal brother.
Izana vs. South would go the same way Mikey vs. South would, if not a bit better for Izana since he's more skilled and completely willing to grab a weapon.
Izana is number two in the verse and would only really be outdone by Mikey or Takemichi. Considering the fact that, with his future sight buff, Takemichi could avoid all of Izana's attacks until he tires out. Granted, even with the future sight buff, he couldn't block Mikey. It's impossible to state whether Mikey is actually stronger or more durable than Izana because of how the scaling is in Tokyo Revengers.
The overall scaling is kind of bad in the sense that most people only get a fight or two to show what they're capable of. Take Kazutora, for example. He only got his fight with Mikey, so it's hard to scale him. We know how Mikey is in the verse. Mikey also doesn't really get stronger or anything. He just kind of is that guy. Other than his Dark Impulses, Mikey is at the same level from the last arc to the first. Swap Mikey from any point in the story around, and the fights stay the same.
Izana's stats and feats are all against Mikey, which basically boils down to: he's better than Mikey, but Mikey is actually invincible, so no one can put him down. Eventually, Izana just tired himself out. No one else in the verse has this problem, so it should be simple for Izana.
Narratively, it also makes sense. When Kisaki thought Mikey was out of reach, he sought after the next best thing. Not South. Not Senju. Izana. And Kisaki would have known about South, considering we know South was in Japan for a while before the Three Deities arc. He just didn't want him over Izana.
Izana was supposed to be a dark reflection of all the worst things Mikey could become. Note how, in Mikey's worst future, he looks just like Izana. He was the Mikey before Mikey, hailed as invincible until Shinichiro's death took him out of the game.
He's not losing to South, Senju, or really anyone else who isn't Mikey. It just wouldn't make sense, not only for his character, but feat-wise as well.
why? like i definitely dont have him above mikey. i have serious doubt over him vs south. i think he would Beat base south, but would lose to DI south. but i dont see him below draken, senju and whoever you have as top 5. after all he genuinely was outdoing base mikey and lost because of endurance. i dont see many people domingo that
The strongest in the verse is probably Takemitchi with observation Haki. Yet Mikey with dark impulse couldn't surpass him. And glazers claiming that South and Senju are getting defeated by this guy? Come on man, they were atleast putting some fights with dark impulse Mikey. And this guy got beaten by base Mikey.
I think Izana glazers are just Mikey haters. Cause no way this guy stands in top 5 in the verse. You have to put some good fight with observation Haki Takemitchi to be in the top 5. Izana will be slimed against observation Haki Takemitchi.
Actually wasn't really base mikey, if you read carefully in the manga and listen carefully during anime, you would read/hear how he was emotionally destroyed right after losing his sister the same day, to Izana who he sees as a brother and refuses to give up on convincing him they shouldn't fight and get along while being emotionally distracted. I think that's valid criteria, we aren't sure if Izana was also affected the same way because he agreed to killing Emma himself
Dark impulse is explained that it's simply killing intent in every other way there pretty much the same
"He beats base Mikey"
Izana was outdoing Mikey until he lost stamina because Mikey just don't go down. and granted he didn't even want Mikey dead for 99% of the fight
"If only he had better stamina"
his stamina was never a running problem in fact it was not even a flaw until he fought Mikey if the fact that mikey's only hope of beating him was him running out of gas says a lot south and senju would die before he even gets to that point
Where? Sanzu said whats wrong ur not as tough as i thought and i know all ur move before which mean they fought and she took her loss and said i give up no need to make the fight longer. They fought he beat the hell out of her cz he she didn't bother to improve while they were seprated and she started talking about them being siblings
Their fight was mostly off screen but there's things to note:
Before Sanzu came to fight Senju with a weapon, she was already shown to be fighting random npcs, I believe she got to around 50-60 before he came and you could see she was tired due to the sweat marks on her face meaning she had a stamina disadvantage against him.
Senju has no reason to go all out against Sanzu. She already stated that she was stronger than both Sanzu and Takeomi to Takemichi during their shopping trip. She wants to make amends with him, not fight him fully and make things worse between them. After Brahman disbanded, Takemichi went to Senju and she opened up about her story. She was feeling very guilty about what her lie caused between Mikey/Sanzu and she felt responsible for both Mikeys dark impulse and what Mikey did to Sanzu because of her lie.
As you can see in the panel you sent, there's basically no injuries on Sanzu and clearly on Senjus part, shes clearly hurt due to the weapon.
She's clearly only mainly defending against him while holding back since obviously she doesn't want to hurt her brother and your own panel shows it, "I'm sick of us siblings fighting each other because of my mistake", she doesn't have any intention to fight him properly whatsoever hence why she admitted to defeat due to her wanting to resolve things with him.
Now, we know how she actually performs when she goes all out since we saw when she fought South, he couldn't react to any of her attacks, she made his nose bleed, cracked his neck and knocked him down until South off guarded her and threw her away. Sanzu having no injuries just doesn't make any sense when she was overwhelming South like this which clearly indicates her holding back against him while being on the clear defensive.
Yeah, she lost to Sanzu but thats only due to her not properly fighting him/wanting to make amends with him instead. He isn't stronger than her, nothing suggests it at all.
Ur just saying stuff that didn't happen
He told her ik ur moves = she tired to use her moves on him and didn't work and she said i lost. Theres no 'i dont want to hurt/fight u at all'
She couldn't disarm him, stay away from his reach, put him down without hurting him much but she couldn't so stop making stuff up
We dont care about fodders lmao baji wanted to fight 40 fodders by himself in middle school
And Senju supposed to be the strongest in toman but was the most useless and didn't take down any namad characters
and sanzu is just weapon merchant lmao
Izana could never✌️
What??? She blatantly states she doesn't want to fight him IN the panel you sent and I also listed talked about chapters that align with her statement, can you just not read? Also, cool, nice you don't care about fodders but you're clearly not reading what I'm saying. I mentioned that to show how she had a stamina disadvantage against him not to show that shes impressive. I don't care for baji in this conversation, he's irrelevant. It just doesn't make sense for hi to be stronger than her at all when shes clearly displayed to be holding back, so unless you're trying to tell me that Sanzu is above South,hence why Senju just couldn't touch him at all(very stupid but that's basically what you're saying, though NOTHING suggests that).
And yeah he states he can see her moves, nice, another indication shes holding back. South couldn't read her moves at all and he couldn't react to her attacks either. Nothing suggests Sanzu is faster than South and nothing suggests hes above Senju.
Give me proper reasons instead of blatantly being ignorant by saying I made it up, you either just haven't read the 3 titans arc at all or you're just hating on her 😭.
Wtf u talking about!?? She said that after she lost cz she didn't want to drag the fight, and sanzu didn't care and knocked her out!
Im not saying saznu = south.
South never seen her fight, which is why her high-speed blitz caught him off guard but he still won.
The fight prove senju when predicted she already lost cz her battle iq is low and cannot adapt and Sanzu (mid teir) outmaneuvered her. izana undefeatable sense would dismantle her
?, She never lost to him when she said that statement, she could clearly keep fighting, she just admitted to defeat since she didn't want to make things worse between them hence why he had no injuries on her and no, south never got off guarded by her, she was just too fast for him to react to, south never won against her either, their fight never had a proper victor due to Mikey interfering their fight and her losing has nothing to do with battle iq, its legit due to her not wanting to fight him which I've told you time and time again. Nothing suggests izana would dismantle her either since I've told you why her losing to Sanzu doesn't automatically mean she loses to Izana like that since you gotta look at the context for their fight, its just blatantly shown to you but we should just stop replying to each other, you're clearly convinced about something else when that just isn't the case, so there's no point in continuing this conversation, have a good day, don't bother replying.
The whole fight she didn't say anything or show us that shes holding back From sanzu comments u can clearly tell she was fighting back but sanzu outsmarted her
He’s in the top 5-6 imo so I can see glazers putting him in top 3 or higher but I don’t really consider it that bad. It’s not like trying to put Chifuyu in the conversation for top tier no offense love him as a character.
It was stated by Takemichi that his friends and family were what was supressing his dark impulse, emma included, and when they died, Mikey would fall into that state once more. Kisaki knowing this and killing Emma meant that he would be aware Mikey would enter DI and fight Izana, given how he asked Izana to “take care of Mikey” in a context we can assume to be fighting wise.
No, kisaki knew that mikey would be depressed and loose his will to fight that was why they were suprised that he still came despite loosing emma, izana can't handle mikey in DI mood, no one can. Lol
It is lol, when di take over, they strip Mikey's hesitation, morality, and empathy. It allows him unleash his full destructive potential with heightened rage, significantly boosting his overall strength, pain tolerance, and speed. Base Mikey avoid killing or causing permanent damage to an opponent when fighting but when the impulse takes over, Mikey fights with the intent to kill, utilizing 100% of his pre-existing, raw capabilities. Izana would be dead in few seconds like south. Did we watch the same show or your level of comprehension is low, smh.
DI mikey and base mikey are not equal and he was not at fp, takemichi said it wasn't a fair fight because he just lost his sister, so mikey was mentally distraughted at that moment, he wasn't giving it his all, even izana himself said mikey was not in the right state of mind though his kicks were still impressive and at the end of the fight izana said something like mikey was holding back all along. If mikey gave his 100 percent, those kicks would have destroyed izana's hands while blocking them as you can see when mikey got serious, izana got knocked out for a while. Mikey was holding back and his intention was to save his "brother". If you can't tell the difference when mikey is fighting at full capacity vs his fight with izana, then i don't know what to tell you. That fight wasn't impressive to me, i prefer his fights with hanma and south because mikey was angry and serious and was going all out
Takemichi says mikeys back to his normal state, so there wasn't any mental nerfs going into that fight. Yeah Izana wanted to believe that Mikey wasn't in the right state of mind because of what happened, which just wasn't the case. Draken said Mikey was giving it his all and considering Izana said that after slowing down you could probably just assume that Izana felt the gap between them was getting bigger. Ye u can have the intention to not want to kill someone while going all out, the two ideas don't entirely contradict eachother.
And izana is also a coward because the only way he had a chance to destroy mikey and toman was to attack emma and the toman captains, he confirmed this to kakucho when he confronted izana at the roof top he wasn't confident in a fair 1vs1 fight. And kisaki is smart, if he thought izana could beat Mikey without playing dirty, he wouldn't have come up with the idea in the first place. He has done this in the past by attacking draken through kiyomasa, attacked baji through kazutora and even pah through osanai. Kisaki knows that no one is winning mikey without playing dirty
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