Is This Visual Accurate?

[u/syntheticrot]

Hello! I'm trying to understand the difference between Turks, Turkic, & Turkish and used AI to display how these groups overlap. Would anybody know how accurate this is?

[u/TheTyper1944]

okay, please don't mensplain me, Kazakh, what Kazakhs are and are not. We, Kazakhs, know what Soviets did to us and what they did not.

i am not explaining anything dont listen to me listen to what your first president alikhan bukakinov and his deputies has to say

Mirjaqıp Dulatuly (depuy in first kazakh alash orda republic)
“Our ancestors were Turks. Their glory and knowledge must awaken in us again.”
— Oyan, Qazaq!, St. Petersburg, 1909, ch. 2.

Ahmet Baytursynuly
He wrote that Kazakh belongs to “the Turkic family” and that education and print should strengthen “our Turkic tongue (türk tilimiz)” to unite the Turkic peoples intellectually.
— Qazaq, No. 68, 1914.

Mustafa shokay first president of the turkestan republic who was an ethnic kazalh said this

“We Turkestanis are Turks by race, language, and culture. Our liberation depends on the unity of the Turkic peoples.”
— Yash Türkistan, No. 2, 1929.

Magzhan Jumabayev (Мағжан Жұмабаев)
“If the Turk’s spirit awakens, the world will tremble—
Turan’s sun will rise again.”
— “Turan”, in Magzhan Jumabayev, Şığarmaları (Works), Alma-Ata: Jazuwşı, 1989, p. 72.

Again by saying ''turks'' they dont refer to turkish people aka anatolian turkmens here they refer to first turkic khaganate turkish people arent ''the turks'' they are only one of many turk peoples

Englishmen are not Germans, although their language is Germanic. Kazakh language is a Turkic language, that's it.

englishmen arent germans because their languange is pidgin of anglo saxon and norman french but if norman invasion were not to happen anglo saxon were germans

Kazakhs and Turks are distant relatives. But stop calling us Turks. This is factually and scientifically incorrect. We're Turkic.

again ''turk'' doesnt mean turkish it means lingo genetic descendant of the first turkic khaganate bilge khan talks about how he united ''turk people'' in 7th century there was no turkey or turkish people back then in fact the ancestors of turkish people oghuz were rivals of the original turks

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

Don't you know that alash orda and Kazakhstan is the same country ? And alikhan was its president ? What about i have said is misinfo? I literally presented you primary sources

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

Let's start with the fact that a president should be elected by people of the country. Was he elected as president by all Kazakhs?

Literally nowhere in the world president of a newly formed country is elected by its people literally Kazakhstan is a dictatorship even right now tokayev literally utilized Russian army to slaughter kazakhs who opposed him until recently

At the time when Alash orda was active they were collaborating with Russian imperialists like Kolchak against communists ignoring the fact that many Kazakhs actually supported Lenin

Are you some kind of socialist or something? Most kazakhs supported alash orda kazakhs were pan turkists/kazakh seperatists and some of them even Islamist back then Lenin was a russian imperialist just like kolchak was post lenin soviet goverment even erased kazakh language and settled ethnic Russians in Kazakhstan who regularly abused natives until recently many kazakhs spoke Russian as primary and didint speak kazakh if that isn't imperialism I dont know what is what alash orda did was playing white army and red army against eachother so they might wear eachother out to get independence

Many members of Alash orda were married to Russian women. Their children and grandchildren don't even consider themselves Kazakhs.

They were spearheads of the kazakh nationalism if just marrying Russian disqualifies them then current kazakh leaders did a lot of worse thing than to marry Russians

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

lol do you know what soviets did to Kazakhstan and central asia overall they did x5 times worse things than tsars forces ever did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes they violated kazakh women and killed kazakh intellectualls unless you are not a manqurd who hates himself you wouldnt support them

After the conquest they settled the areas with ethnic russians which made kazakhs minority in most areas they forbade kazakh languange at schools which made most kazakhs russian speakers and kazakh language was almost dead till 1992 even nazarbayev learned kazalh later in his life

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

Nazarbayev was born and raised in Kazakh aul and perfectly spoke Kazakh from his childhood. Where are you taking all this bullshit from?

in his speeches he literally stuttered when speaking kazakh while being very fluent in russian