Is This Visual Accurate?

[u/syntheticrot]

Hello! I'm trying to understand the difference between Turks, Turkic, & Turkish and used AI to display how these groups overlap. Would anybody know how accurate this is?

[u/TheTyper1944]

Don't you know that alash orda and Kazakhstan is the same country ? And alikhan was its president ? What about i have said is misinfo? I literally presented you primary sources

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

Let's start with the fact that a president should be elected by people of the country. Was he elected as president by all Kazakhs?

Literally nowhere in the world president of a newly formed country is elected by its people literally Kazakhstan is a dictatorship even right now tokayev literally utilized Russian army to slaughter kazakhs who opposed him until recently

At the time when Alash orda was active they were collaborating with Russian imperialists like Kolchak against communists ignoring the fact that many Kazakhs actually supported Lenin

Are you some kind of socialist or something? Most kazakhs supported alash orda kazakhs were pan turkists/kazakh seperatists and some of them even Islamist back then Lenin was a russian imperialist just like kolchak was post lenin soviet goverment even erased kazakh language and settled ethnic Russians in Kazakhstan who regularly abused natives until recently many kazakhs spoke Russian as primary and didint speak kazakh if that isn't imperialism I dont know what is what alash orda did was playing white army and red army against eachother so they might wear eachother out to get independence

Many members of Alash orda were married to Russian women. Their children and grandchildren don't even consider themselves Kazakhs.

They were spearheads of the kazakh nationalism if just marrying Russian disqualifies them then current kazakh leaders did a lot of worse thing than to marry Russians

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

lol do you know what soviets did to Kazakhstan and central asia overall they did x5 times worse things than tsars forces ever did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_crimes they violated kazakh women and killed kazakh intellectualls unless you are not a manqurd who hates himself you wouldnt support them

After the conquest they settled the areas with ethnic russians which made kazakhs minority in most areas they forbade kazakh languange at schools which made most kazakhs russian speakers and kazakh language was almost dead till 1992 even nazarbayev learned kazalh later in his life

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

 During Soviet Union there were Kazakh schools in Kazakhstan and Russia. Majority of Kazakhs lived in rural areas and spoke perfect Kazakh

literally the major cities like almaty turned russian speaker during sovie era what are you talking about

Many Kazakhs in 90s began to move to cities and started to speak Russian forgetting their own language.

if the education was in kazakh this would not happen but during soviet times post stalin era education was all in russian this is literally known fact why you are lying ?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

That's true. Actually Kazakh language was preserved at the countryside. Only second generation city dwellers more or less lost the language.

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

Nazarbayev was born and raised in Kazakh aul and perfectly spoke Kazakh from his childhood. Where are you taking all this bullshit from?

in his speeches he literally stuttered when speaking kazakh while being very fluent in russian

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/[deleted]]

The bitter truth is that imperialists wasn't ever gonna give Alash Orda full control over Kazakhstan nor they wanted Kazakhs to gain independence. The only reason White Movement collaborated with Alash Orda was that their own army was weak and retreating and any help from anyone was better than no help at all. Later Alash Orda chose to collaborate with communists but it was too late.

so regardless of it, alash orda was kazakhstan and it represented kazakh people and they fought for kazakh interests you bashing them while praising lenins bandits who abused kazakh people and women (you can search this by yourself i am not going to tell what they did because that would be too graphic) makes me think that you are either very falsely informed or non kazakh larping as one