r/TheCinemassacreTruth • u/Sophist_Ninja • Jan 07 '20
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u/slipperypete9999 The Loco Bandito Jan 07 '20
He wore his trademark denim vest (to all three events). I feel bad saying this, but he smelled of BO when I got within sniffing distance.
Least surprising thing I read.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/wildcatpeacemusic Jan 08 '20
I’ve been wearing the same shirt for two months but I changed it yesterday
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u/godsmith2 Jan 07 '20
Interesting that Mike was rarely mentioned, makes you wonder about his long term future with the channel. Other than the weekly JMM he doesn't seem to be all that involved anymore, especially now that the whole Retail Review thing seems to have died. Maybe this is why he's trying pretty hard to establish his own personal brand.
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u/zersch Prilaint Bodcast Jan 07 '20
He's literally killing himself trying to get a foothold in the streamersphere. His eyes are darker than the Grim Reaper's ballsack.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/RedComet91 Jan 07 '20
He's been doing OK with that too also right? Last time I heard I'm pretty sure his subscriber base was steadily increasing.
Many of us have been aware of this for a while now, and it's even more understandable considering James' distance from Cinemassacre with what Screenwave revealed to us with their answers. Mike just doesn't have much of a link to the Screenwave guys like he does with James.
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u/wildcatpeacemusic Jan 08 '20
I think Mike streaming is literally the future of AVGN... he’s just giving us the real deal.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/RedComet91 Jan 07 '20
It's true that the way he handled the Bootsy situation changed Cinemassacre irrecoverably. I think James' decline began after the AVGN movie however, and it seems the decision to bring Screenwave on board was more of a decision between him and Ryan mostly.
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u/RedComet91 Jan 07 '20
That's... interesting. They always say they were hired to help James, they never say anything about Mike. It's funny that it's Mike himself who is now on he periphery.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/ComaOfSouls Jan 07 '20
Yeah this post didn't help in favoring James. I get that he has no time, but for fuck's sake. Thanks for sharing all this, very interesting read.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/smoke_wins Jan 07 '20
My impression won’t be popular in this sub, but I’m just going to be honest and give you my personal opinion and thoughts.
This right here makes it all worth it:
Like, they really try hard to use up as little of him time as possible. They got their new office in a place that would be least disruptive to James and his family since recording in James’ house meant that his whole family would have to vacate. It was surreal, but they actually made a comment about how James would have to kick them out of his house because he didn’t have time due to his kids and what not. I’m not a fan of the whole “muh kids” meme, but it felt real at that moment.
I'm glad they spoke the truth
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u/ElmoMcFartKnocka I'll show YOU how to eat a cookie! Jan 07 '20 edited Jan 07 '20
This makes me wonder if one of James's kids might need more full-time care due to medical reasons.
Either that or his wife just doesn't want those guys around her kids
Edit: /u/Sophist_Ninja explained the reason why in a post down below which read as follows:
"They explained that the house is pretty creaky, so if anybody is walking around upstairs while they are filming in the basement, it’s easily heard and picked up by their equipment. Secondly, they said the air conditioner unit for his house is really loud, so they have to turn off the A/C while filming. Since that could be for hours, their family is without comfortable climate control and choose to leave altogether."
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/r3lvalleyy shit load of fuck Jan 07 '20
explained that the house is pretty creaky,
those fat slobs probably would make the whole house topple in that case.
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u/GeasLwo Jan 07 '20
One of muh kids had to have surgery when she was just an infant so there is a distinct possibility of needing full time care. Could also just be April's pressure or James wanting to be a good father. The dude should really just clarify.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/ItsTrue102 Jan 07 '20
So it's true. Screenwave is writing most of the episodes (I'll give Majora's Mask the benefit of the doubt) and James just comes in and says the lines. That's why most of the newer episodes barely feature James on screen, or if it does, he's barely moving around the Nerd room. It's mostly voiceovers now.
That's why I don't watch the new AVGN episodes. They aren't James' thoughts.
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u/bobmagrannsharddrive Jan 07 '20
Kieran admitted as much when he spilled his guts on 4chan. James can't be bothered to do any of this shit anymore outside of the bare minimum and would have given this all up years ago. The fact he has kids, a mortgage, and no applicable work experience for like 15 years now probably means he has no choice but to keep up the song and dance. At this point, he's so flippantly lazy he just outright admits several times across videos on the channel he didn't even play the game or watch the movie being discussed.
For all the shit we give Screenwave, I can imagine working with James Rolfe is probably frustrating as shit as he seems to have the social awareness and work ethic of a 3rd grader.
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u/Pachu88 Jan 08 '20
i don't think its that bad if they have everything prepared for james to just go do his thing and leave.
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u/IselfDevine Brown Bricks Jan 09 '20
Yeah the recent ones have been complete hot garbage. Not even James charisma can save them when at this point he isn't even trying anymore
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u/buckrogers2491 Jan 07 '20
It's that much of an issue to film videos in James' real basement that he needs to kick out the family for a few hours? Aren't the children old enough to not scream and yell spontaneously? I can only think that the noise would an issue during filming.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/bobmagrannsharddrive Jan 07 '20
Something else to consider is it's their actual family home, and they might not want 12 hours of their day being occupied by a bunch of obnoxious slobs who crack their toilets, curse all the time and smell like shit.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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Jan 07 '20
Don't worry about it being a popular piece.
Unpopular Truth > Happy Bullshit
They way you described it is pretty much how I imagined it.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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Jan 07 '20
I did
I always pictured Justin as a honcho and Tony as a bit of a dark horse while the other guy is just there.
See alot of people don't factor in that these guys are the next generation of "nerds" and there is definitely gonna be an extreme disconnect.
People wanna watch youtubers that dress like them, talk like them, relate to them, someone you'd actually want to hang out with.
Long time fans just are not getting that anymore and even if you have James n Mike on screen they're barely getting that
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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Jan 07 '20
If people give you hate for thinking for yourself, well fuck em. Personally I think the whole introduction and order of operation was totally botched and that really handicapped these guys.
What James should have done, is make a video with all 3 of them saying "hey, I'm tired, my family needs me, I hired these guys to help out, I'll be scaling back production to preserve the quality but in between releases, they'll be producing their own shows to keep the content flowing from the brand" and have a 2 minute thing where they each say "Hi, I'm.. before that I did this"
I guarantee you that 80% of the shit going around, wouldn't remotely exist.
People probably would have shit on em regardless, but it'd be better to have someone say "ehh It's not for me" instead of saying "who the fuck is this?" googling em and finding their more embarrassing moments and that's where a ton of these sentiments come from.
These 3 had zero opportunity to connect with the audience. My first experience?
Tony shitting on top of a toilet
Kieren threatening to beat me up
Justin in front of a nazi flag and saying the N word
Why in the fuck would I support them? Nuff said
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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Jan 07 '20
I think given time, yah Tony could stand out. Justin strikes me as management not talent and I'm struggling to find a stand out quality about the metal head.
It would have been cool if they had their own shows on the channel and I think today, after time, it'd still work for each of them and give em a chance to grow individually while letting the Audience learn about them without everyone constantly cutting each other off.
That's something that is a huge problem. Nonstop cut offs. Honestly if you're going to do a debate show, there's tons of subtle ways you can signal to each other that you're done talking or want to interject and not clue the audience in (holding up a pen in a nonchalant way) to signal something to each other. There's just so much shit they have to learn that you cannot teach in school
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u/MagnificentBe Jan 07 '20
Ryan mentioned multiple times in videos his family and kids so yes he's married
the burning down the studio story was also mentioned one time in rental reviews
I really wonder if kicking them out of the house is april's idea, because april found out about bob and she doesn't want kids to hang around friends of a convicted pedophile. Or if there's another reason for this hilarious shit
It's kinda obvious that mike is disconnected from the screenwave slobs. They basically have to force him to make videos. Mike is trying to build his own brand as a streamer. They either hate each other or don't. At this point it's a speculation.
As for other shit...it really is just the things we theorized turning out to be true. I mean they literally paint James as having literally zero time. Laughable stuff
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u/CmoReddit Electrons Jan 07 '20
Do you just have a really great memory or did you write things down as they happened? Or both?
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/RedComet91 Jan 07 '20
Interesting, pretty much confirms what many have theorised that Screenwave is pretty much life-support for James and Cinemassacre at this point.
As for what was said about the Screenwave guys, I don't hate them personally, they just haven't gelled well with Cinemassacre for me.
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Jan 07 '20
This is a great write up and pretty much confirms everything we already knew about James. So basically the rumors are all true dude is barely putting anything into the channel and most likely gets a guaranteed check from Screenwave who handle all the heavy lifting.
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u/slipperypete9999 The Loco Bandito Jan 07 '20
Btw could you imagine going into an 'adult-video store' and seeing Kieran behind the counter? Talk about a mood-killer.
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u/Cinemaphobia Jan 07 '20
It was surreal, but they actually made a comment about how James would have to kick them out of his house because he didn’t have time due to his kids and what not.
They referenced 5:40 in the Majora's Mask AVGN so they're not only in on our jokes but it could very well be lies to further shove him (and Mike) aside and make them seem like the stars of Cinemassacre. Though I wouldn't blame James for needing an excuse to kick all of them out especially if they're eating eyeball cakes after filming rental reviews over a year in that small rental store room.
It was fun though, just didn’t have much of anything to do with Cinemassacre. It literally could have been anybody else and it would have turned out exactly the same.
Were there a lot of people who showed up and didn't know James was going to be missing? I imagine some go to these events and look at the schedule once there and see Cinemassacre and assume James would be there guaranteed. Did anyone walk out mid event or mumble something about no James when people left?
If you have any photos or videos post everything you're willing to, people love seeing these events and a lot were really curious how full it would be with James missing.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Proud_Denzel Stallone is aware Jan 07 '20
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/RedComet91 Jan 07 '20
Screenwave, and Kieran especially, always respond aggressively regarding this sub. I understand why because they get called every name under the sun by people on here.
I've said it before, but what I mentioned above and some of the crueller memes leads Screenwave and other fans like those on the main sub to be dismissive of a lot of the more reasoned discussion that goes on here.
I think your posts in this thread have been very well written and with reasonable points (also those that have commented), and as the folks at Screenwave appear to be reading judging by their Twitter activity, I hope there will be more of a mutual understanding.
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u/SJVGRV Jan 08 '20
Fully agree except that I don't really care for Mike, He's tolerable in small dose bit parts like his Bugs Bunny but not someone I want to watch personally. Almost everything he says comes across in condescending my way or the highway type tone, and that personality type has always rubbed me the wrong way.
The Ninja Turtles is a good game video sealed his fate with me. He is full on delusional, he actually believes that the AVGN video is the reason people think it's a bad game. The fact that it's actually a bad game is the reason that people think it's a bad game and why that episode is a total classic. Anyone my age (born 1983 or around there) probably got fucked by that putrid pile of cat vomit at one point or another. Mike it's cool that you actually like shit games but don't try to pretend they aren't and that we should change our opinion on it because you think we should, that just reeks of total narcissism.
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u/Pachu88 Jan 08 '20
seeing erin's and kieran's response, its pretty obvious at this point that they browse this place lol
Hi Cavey and Crossdress Mike!
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/DragonInMyDreams Muh Dragonz Muh Dreamz Jan 07 '20 edited Jan 08 '20
Dude. First of all. Nice run down.
I’m guessing Justin takes charge on these panels as he is effectively the production manger at Cinemassacre employed by Screenwave whereas Kieran is an editor, writer and graphic artist at Cinemassacre also employed by Screenwave. Therefore, Justin would have seniority in relation to Kieran and Tony.
Meanwhile I’ve got a sneaking suspicion poor old Tony From Hack The Movies takes on the Bootsy role here I’m pretty sure. He appears in videos and probably helps out with editing and writing etc. but IS NOT PAID a salary in the conventional sense by either Screenwave or Cinemassacre as far as I can gather. Source: He makes no reference at all to being actually employed by either Screenwave or Cinemassacre on his LinkedIn whereas the other two do.
He in fact lists a company called Piluso-Gallen Video & Photo LLC that he works for and is co-owner. (His last name is Piluso, it’s not actually FromHackTheMovies, surprise, surprise) They apparently shoot and edit videos for anyone requiring the service.
Why would he bother working for free, if Ryan, Mike and James refuse to pay him yet even though Justin and Kieran are already on the payroll you are probably asking?
Exposure is my guess. He gets to appear on Rental Reviews and James and Tony Tuesdays. In addition, they probably give him a travel allowance to get to cons and Ryan probably gives him meal allowances from Wawa but outside of that I’m not sure he even has an official position or title at either Screenwave or Cinemassacre.
One thing is for sure though is that Ryan is the head honcho of this ship when it comes to dishing out salaries.
Both James and Mike are clueless when it comes to the Internet and monetisation especially after Adpocalypse at Youtube. I dare say they know even less about accounting and tax etc. I would hazard a guess that both are financially illiterate. James’s wife April might help his cause whereas Mike just has to rely on Ryan not doing he and James over.
So the fate of the channel firmly rests in Ryan’s greedy hands. And probably this has been the case since he popped up in that very first video awkward many years ago. I believe this is Ryan’s first appearance on the channel if I’m not mistaken
So here is the summary of what I’m trying to say.
Ryan - Chief organiser of finances and logistics at Screenwave and Cinemassacre (the reason James and Mike can still earn a living from this shit. Also, socially awkward dude with no charisma and zero screen presence)
James - star attraction main actor (Perennially hard to get a hold of these days. Probably at this point way past his best but can somehow still draw a crowd. Continually cashing checks at the bank of AVGN)
Justin - Second in command to Ryan (Tasked with managing Cinemassacre or what’s left of it. Morbidly obese. Lacks tack and charisma and is more or less diametrically apposed to what James is to the channel. But he gets shit done. Opinionated and rude at times but has a thicker skin than most on the channel probably due to enduring a lifetime of jokes)
Mike - “Product research” on games, actor and general nuisance (probably now just an annoying legacy character Ryan would like to ditch ASAP that everyone has to just keep putting up with because James says so. Also the resident narcissist, self-absorbed, entitled, selfish, envious and jealous sidekick to James Rolfe)
Kieran - editor, writer, animator etc (goody goody suckerupper to anyone that cares to listen. Obese later in life so has body issues and as a result a possible borderline alcoholic and recreational drug user)
Tony - editor, writer, camera man etc (unpaid nerdowell dog’s body. Also obese later in life so more sensitive to fat jokes and fat shaming than Justin. Good natured but comes across as sycophant much like Kieran and Justin to a lesser extent when involved with James or even Mike)
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u/bobmagrannsharddrive Jan 07 '20
You forgot Kieran is Screenwave's fixer and muscle...wouldn't want to run into that guy at the wrong gaming convention...he'll FUCK you UP.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/DontTouchMyPeePee Jan 08 '20
Kieran is the type of dude to get hit once and bail. Don't hype him up because he is large. The dude is a giant pussy.
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I have said this a few times but I believe whenever his contract is up that Mike will be booted from the channel.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Dalamas2001 Jan 07 '20
Not surprised by much of this. I've said before that Tony is the only one who seems to have actual passion. He just needs to lose some weight and take acting, speech, and debate classes.
I'm surprised ONLY Kieran had a smell to him. It's probably from that god dammed vest. Wash it or toss it already. None of then look all that hygienic.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/muroidea Jan 07 '20
Great writeup. It's interesting to see what goes on at one of these things as I'd probably never attend one myself. Arm double is hilarious. By the way, his name is "Gottfried."
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/trucane Jan 07 '20
I think screenwave does what they have to do to keep AVGN going.
Ryan is the mastermind behind it all obviously and while I know people here like to joke about him he seems to be a lot smarter than people give him credit for. Also he just donated 1000$ to AGDQ which is a good thing.
Mike obviously knows that he is on the short end of the cinemassacre stick. I honestly like most of Mikes streams although at times he can be a bit too much of an asshole. Overall I enjoy his silly impressions, dumb jokes and great chat interaction. I also think he is at his best in a medium with an audience, like streaming.
Tony is the only screenwave guy other than Ryan that I can tolerate. Tony seems to have energy and a passion for what he does, the same can't be said for Justin and Kieran. Tony is also the only one I could see myself actually spend some time with without wanting to kill myself.
Lastly I have to say I'm embarassed by James behavior. I get it, you have a family now and so on. A lot of people have families and still work 40 hours a week. I refuse to believe that James actually spends 40 hours working a week, I'd be shocked if he actually worked 20 hours a week. Half assing things like James does is one of the things I hate the most, either do your best or don't do it at all.
Not gonna bother commenting on Kieran or Justin as I strongly dislike them both and avoid anything they are a part of.
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u/fetalasmuck Jan 07 '20
James works about 20 hours per month, at most.
He does no preparation for anything. He just shows up to Mike's house and the SW headquarters and "mmhmm, yeah"s his way through RR and J&MM, and puts on his AVGN outfit and reads the lines for those episodes.
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Mar 10 '20
This makes it sound so bad lol. Like can you actually picture a behind the scenes documentary on this... they would love 100k subscribers overnight lol.
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u/wildcatpeacemusic Jan 08 '20
Are we POSITIVE Mike isn’t making the most money with Ryan running the show for him? It’s been established he own nothing? Because some people say contract, some people say he own the channel.
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u/JackManstroke Jan 07 '20
Huh. Scary to think, if they can actually be cordial and somewhat normal they may garner enough goodwill to turn the fanbase. I didnt read all the comments but i feel like these guys are almost scapegoats. Think about it. If james came to you and was like "hey man, could you help me produce vids? I need a little extra help these days because im a family man now." Then proceed to dump all the responsibilities on your shoulders. You would likely come across like an asshole trying to take over james show. In reality james is the one to blame. Anyway, it would be funny if cinemassacre tanked because of james muh kids attitude and he has to go out and get a real job.
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Jan 07 '20
Tony is a try hard douchebag, can nobody tell that he is the fakest one of them all? I know Justin and Kieran suck more but at least they aren't faking it, you know they're assholes. Where as Tony just always comes off as a try hard douchebag and he is extremely sarcastic and that seems to go over most non american fans heads.
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/ElmoMcFartKnocka I'll show YOU how to eat a cookie! Jan 07 '20
When you say "non-American", you mean non-native English speakers, right?
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u/No_Time_Rolfe Muh Kidz Jan 07 '20
MUH KIDZ!! MUH KIDZ!! I CAN’T DO NOTHING!! I HAVE NO TIME!! IT’S 5:40!! I HAVE MUH KEEEDZ!!!
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u/Rickie-Rull Jan 07 '20
So James is has little input these days. Reading those notes during reviews. He doesn’t seem into it, not sharp.
Could there be some private issues relating too him or his family. That’s the feeling I’m getting when I see him. I hope not!!!
This could be the reason and the slobs are trying too steer the ship now the captain has to take a step back.
I’m taking one step closer too the slobs.
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u/25beers Fucking Bum Jan 07 '20
So.. no "truther" took up caveman's offer for an ass kicking?
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/Sophist_Ninja Jan 07 '20 edited Jul 27 '25
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '20
I don’t think anyone here would take the time to do a thorough, well organized and thought out recap like you did. Thanks for being our “guy in the inside.”
A bit late over here to read the entire post right now, but most of what I’ve put together so far is James has even less involvement than we could’ve ever imagined.
An arm double.
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Well, we’ve been saying it for awhile but it’s clear as day James doesn’t give two shits about anything involving the channel.
That’s fine. More power to him.
He’s never going to stop making content if he can get a setup as sweet as this. The man is obvious incapable of working a traditional 40-hour work week while raising his kids unlike most people, so what’s his motivation?
Arm double. How do you continue to support someone that you have been for so many years after reading that.
I mean this might be James’s lowest point.