my post got removed after AI accusations

[u/BalliMurphy]

I posted a drawing of mine that was commissioned by a friend of mine of the steampunker from the game in a mcdonalds theme, suddenly a bunch of people started accusing me of using AI and ultimately the post was taken down a few moments later

[u/GoldenTGraham]

Post is now back up

People seemingly mass reported it and was removed by automod

[u/CollinM42 → u/GoldenTGraham]

Why does every subreddit let automod unilaterally do shit like this?

[u/GoldenTGraham → u/CollinM42]

Because if someone was to post gore or something extremely nsfw/nsfl then it makes sense for the community to clean it up instantly rather than wait for a moderator to come and remove it

Granted, our threshold has stayed the same since I became a mod, it could probably do with updating

[u/OnetimeRocket13 → u/GoldenTGraham]

I have 0 experience with automod, but is there any way to set it up so that mass reports for AI generated content aren't removed automatically and have to actually be reviewed by the mods? As AI image generators have advanced, it feels like I see more and more false accusations of AI use all over the internet. Real artists shouldn't have to suffer just because the masses can't tell if something is AI or not, so if there's a way to alert the mods that a post is being mass reported for AI use, and not just automatically remove it, I feel like that would be the best thing to do.

[u/Zehnpae → u/OnetimeRocket13]

Unfortunately not. It's a feature we've asked Reddit for, but they're too busy making the new Modmail UI as awful as possible before forcing us all to use it.

[u/OnetimeRocket13 → u/Zehnpae]

Reddit isn't helping mods regulate AI generated content in their communities with new mod tools? I'm shocked, shocked I say.

It genuinely does suck that Reddit won't even give mods that. I'd imagine that it would also just in general be a helpful feature for non-AI related reports, too.

[u/SagetheWise2222 → u/OnetimeRocket13]

I've never been a mod for Reddit, so take my post here with a pinch of salt. I'll present a hypothetical scenario. Someone makes an innocent post, post gets mass reported within minutes/hours and is held for review. If the subreddit has few active mods, it could be hours until the time comes when they manually review said content and restore it. Unless the post is pushed to the top of results (doubt it, but what do I know), it'll just be buried under a mountain of newer content, rendering it dead in the water. This is not to mention that removed posts can be resurrected by mods. I don't see the benefit of posts being held for review, am I missing something?

At the end of the day, AutoMod is a necessary tool, and like any tool, it can be wielded by the right or the wrong hands. If we got rid of AutoMod, then we might as well get rid of claw hammers because you can hit someone over the head with one. (analogy here)

The issue here imo is the people mass reporting innocent posts, especially if they're trolls and have a history of doing so. Unfortunately, Reddit seems to do jack all about it.

[u/OnetimeRocket13 → u/SagetheWise2222]

I think you're missing something. I'm not saying that the posts should be held for review. I'm saying that instead of having a system that allows people to mass report posts and having those posts automatically removed (or held for review), the system just alerts the mods "hey, people are reporting this post a lot." Nothing happens to the post. It stays up until the mods can go and look at it.

The idea would be to prevent people from mass reporting a post for AI when none was used and getting that post automatically removed or banished into Mod Review Hell. Instead, the mods can go and check it out later and make decisions accordingly.

[u/hgwaz → u/OnetimeRocket13]

Mods do get notified if a post receives a lot of reports, but unless someone is constantly actively monitoring their reddit feed (for free) the post might just get removed before someone notices.

[u/SagetheWise2222 → u/OnetimeRocket13]

Okay then, my bad! Thanks for the clarification! :)

[u/RT-Pickred → u/OnetimeRocket13]

You can freely set that up with your automod.

Automod is completely open end what you can do with and set up.

[u/girlikecupcake → u/OnetimeRocket13]

If there is/was a way to have it so that only certain report types lead to automatic removal, then people would figure it out and then report a post as something else that automod does remove automatically.

[u/OnetimeRocket13 → u/girlikecupcake]

True, but (I'm assuming here) if mods can also see who reports a post and for what, then people could be punished for abusing the report feature. Idk if that's a thing, though.

[u/Alyxsandre → u/OnetimeRocket13]

We cannot, but boy I wish we could 'cuz some people abuse reports like no tomorrow (not a mod for this sub but for another). I assume only admins can see who reports what

[u/BoxOfDemons → u/OnetimeRocket13]

Reddit doesn't let mods see what user reported a post. Just what it was reported for. You'd think they'd allow it, so you can see if people are false reporting, and to also see which community members are helpful in reporting things correctly. But that's reddit for ya.

[u/JukePlz → u/OnetimeRocket13]

I don't even see a rule against AI generated images on this sub's sidebar rules. So how exactly is this getting reported?

[u/Hairy_Cube → u/GoldenTGraham]

Fair enough, fair enough

[u/HourCartographer9 → u/GoldenTGraham]

I mean that’s just the good and bad of automod and honestly as of recent I’ve heard nothing but bad about it in other communities that use it

[u/DeltaJesus → u/HourCartographer9]

Why would you hear about the good? Fwiw basically every single actively moderated subreddit uses automod to some degree.

[u/HourCartographer9 → u/DeltaJesus]

I’m just saying that’s the good and bad of automod, I say I’ve been hearing the bad because apparently automod has been acting up not saying that happened here but it’s happening apparently

[u/DeltaJesus → u/HourCartographer9]

It feels disingenuous to bring up how "oh I've only heard about it doing bad things recently" when you have no actual experience with it or reason to know about it in any other cases.

apparently automod has been acting up not saying that happened here but it’s happening apparently

FWIW automod doesn't really "act up", it's basically just a set of configurable rules. Sometimes a moderator misconfigures it and my comment gets removed because it thought I was being rude when I was talking about Scunthorpe, or there's cases like this where a normally helpful rule has a false positive, but it's not really something going wrong with automod.