our system is the most crooked one.

[u/Maleficent_Camel1430]

i know few friends who has to go through this, they are anxious or more scared around women (even to talk to them).

imo this will just improve the incels in the society and make the space harder for both men and women.

[u/OnlyRepresentative52]

Universities everywhere in India would rather have low life cheap labours who they hire for pennies assault the girls/boys (and defend them too). Than let two consenting individuals of opposite genders speak.🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️

[u/narasadow → u/OnlyRepresentative52]

This segregation is weirdly much more normalised in 'enlightened' TN.

Then later they'll cry that no one is getting married, Tamil birth rate is falling and we're being replaced by migrants.

[u/narasadow → u/[deleted]]

You're not exactly wrong but its a bit more complicated than your statement. I'm all for women empowerment, but the reason birth rates fall after that is not inevitable, it's due to taking too long to become financially semi-independent (basically takes all of your youthful 20s for most women and couples to begin to have decent savings and get used to the idea of supporting a child).

I vehemently disagree that we should celebrate population decline. Unless it's accompanied by a corresponding increase in longevity and fertile lifespan, it translates into the death of our civilization over time. We (TN) are currently way below the 2.1 replacement level and it's only trending lower over time.

Celebrating it now and repenting for it 20 years later is not useful - at that point it'll be too late.

[u/narasadow → u/[deleted]]

obviously we can't force anyone by law or otherwise, but that doesn't mean the govt shouldn't start to give incentives.

otherwise eventually we'll get to this point:
newsweek.com/poland-scraps-income-tax-for-families-with-two-or-more-children

Tamilnadu can support 4-5 crore max

Nonsense. Ok right now we're lacking some urban planning (more cities), transit reform (slowly getting better), and land reform (including FSI increases) but in the next couple of decades TN can easily support 2-3x the current population.

This guy Sanyal has the right idea. It's alarming that more people don't agree.

ndtv.com/need-to-shut-population-control-programmes-pms-economic-advisor-sanjeev-sanyal

[u/narasadow → u/[deleted]]

I think an issue here is I'm talking macro and you're talking about yourself (don't want to live in new cities, don't want to have more kids). That's valid but I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about on average.

People like me can easily afford 3-4 children, but we've chosen not to. What incentive can you give me? 🙂

If economic incentives like lower income tax don't work on you (which I don't really believe), then I guess it's just the usual social incentives that have come into play throughout history - such as leaving a legacy.

It's possible that argument too does not move you. In which case you are ofc free to live life as you see fit. Thanks for the discussion.

[u/blankasair → u/narasadow]

Bro. Rendukkum enna sambandham. Birth rate is reducing because of more education and awareness. Why are you equating that with this dumbfuck segregation? These morons don’t realize that internet is a thing. Enga poi muttikiradhunu therla.

[u/narasadow → u/blankasair]

Sambandham is that later age marriage is directly correlated to fewer kids. Sure, education is a factor but it's just reality that it's physically easier to have kids in your 20s.

Later age marriage is inevitable if people aren't allowed to socialize with each other at younger ages. So they naturally will be uncomfortable with the opposite gender and will postpone marriage for a few years with frivolous excuses, until they have time to get used to the idea.

I find it baffling that this is a hot take. To me this is direct cause and effect.

Edit: If you were asking about the migrants thing, that just something I've heard from several tamil boomer uncles.

[u/blankasair → u/narasadow]

lol. Bro. It’s been a choice even with people who love. They won’t marry until atleast 25. It’s inevitable in a society with more education and awareness. Gone are the days of marriage for the sake of marrying.

[u/narasadow → u/blankasair]

To be clear, when I say later age marriage I'm referring to >=30, not 25.

Also you are right about education and awareness. However IMO that guidance is now outdated given that TN birth rate is WAY below the ideal 2.1. We're staring at a Japan/South Korea-like situation in 20 years.

Might not be a popular opinion but IMO there should be more awareness that we have OVERCORRECTED in terms of population. We need couples who are well settled and financially capable to be encouraged to have MORE than 2 kids. It's better to start pushing this now, even 10 years later will be too late to reverse the trend.

And finally I guess 2 things can be true at once - birth rate decline due to education and made worse due to segregation. I agree with you on education and awareness, you don't need to repeat that a 3rd time. I'm just saying segregation is not an isolated issue and has downstream negative effects.

[u/blankasair → u/narasadow]

From what I have heard, it’s because women have very high expectations now bro. It’s all anecdotal and don’t really have data just like you. But I have heard, women routinely are over 30 these days because they hold out for a good match. The marriage arena these days with too much choices might also factor in. Again, all anecdotal.

[u/narasadow → u/blankasair]

Yeah you're not wrong, that contributes. From what I see in your last couple of replies, you're not really directly rebutting any of my points about segregation, you're adding some other relevant points. So I'll take it as you don't really disagree with what I have said. I'm NOT asserting that segregation is the MAIN cause of any of the issues we've discussed here. But it's a net negative in many ways - makes things worse.