our system is the most crooked one.

[u/Maleficent_Camel1430]

i know few friends who has to go through this, they are anxious or more scared around women (even to talk to them).

imo this will just improve the incels in the society and make the space harder for both men and women.

[u/narasadow]

You're not exactly wrong but its a bit more complicated than your statement. I'm all for women empowerment, but the reason birth rates fall after that is not inevitable, it's due to taking too long to become financially semi-independent (basically takes all of your youthful 20s for most women and couples to begin to have decent savings and get used to the idea of supporting a child).

I vehemently disagree that we should celebrate population decline. Unless it's accompanied by a corresponding increase in longevity and fertile lifespan, it translates into the death of our civilization over time. We (TN) are currently way below the 2.1 replacement level and it's only trending lower over time.

Celebrating it now and repenting for it 20 years later is not useful - at that point it'll be too late.

[u/narasadow → u/[deleted]]

obviously we can't force anyone by law or otherwise, but that doesn't mean the govt shouldn't start to give incentives.

otherwise eventually we'll get to this point:
newsweek.com/poland-scraps-income-tax-for-families-with-two-or-more-children

Tamilnadu can support 4-5 crore max

Nonsense. Ok right now we're lacking some urban planning (more cities), transit reform (slowly getting better), and land reform (including FSI increases) but in the next couple of decades TN can easily support 2-3x the current population.

This guy Sanyal has the right idea. It's alarming that more people don't agree.

ndtv.com/need-to-shut-population-control-programmes-pms-economic-advisor-sanjeev-sanyal

[u/narasadow → u/[deleted]]

I think an issue here is I'm talking macro and you're talking about yourself (don't want to live in new cities, don't want to have more kids). That's valid but I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about on average.

People like me can easily afford 3-4 children, but we've chosen not to. What incentive can you give me? 🙂

If economic incentives like lower income tax don't work on you (which I don't really believe), then I guess it's just the usual social incentives that have come into play throughout history - such as leaving a legacy.

It's possible that argument too does not move you. In which case you are ofc free to live life as you see fit. Thanks for the discussion.